Conservative activists, led by a local pastor and outspoken Israel advocate, pushed the district, Mission CISD, to excise books mostly about gender, sexuality and race. Their demands represented an extreme version of a nationwide culture war over books that has played out in recent years — and ensnared a number of books with Jewish themes.
In Mission, the long list of books on the chopping block includes a recent illustrated adaptation of Anne Frank’s diary; both volumes of Art Spiegelman’s Holocaust graphic memoir “Maus”; “The Fixer,” Bernard Malamud’s novel about a historical instance of antisemitic blood libel; and “Kasher in the Rye,” a ribald memoir by Jewish comedian Moshe Kasher.
Diary of Anne Frank? Really?! Dumb shits
It’s very difficult to avoid comparing right wing America to fascists when they have this much of a problem with Maus.
Fucking yikes
Wouldn’t want people learning from history, now would we? How else are we supposed to repeat it?
Fucking conservatives
Shit states gonna shit state
I hate this dumb fuck country 😔
I swear this shithole takes every chance it can get at doing some of the most stupid shit ever its insane.
Visibly concerned
“Jewish themes”…like in the Bible?
Yeah, but the New Testament says everyone who doesn’t worship Jesus is going to burn in hell forever, so that kind of lessens the whole Jewishness of the first half.
i cannot believe how openly anti-nazi some books are! we should burn these intolerant books!
This is infuriating. This is hate. This is danger.
Texas full of whiny bitches seems like
Everything is bigger in Texas, especially the whining snowflakes.
I just can’t understand how someone could think that banking books is a good idea.
Like a library?
So you think that all books should be available to all kids in public schools?
We have these people who go to college and get specialized degrees so that they can do things and work in school libraries and figure out what books are appropriate for the school.
You might have heard of them. They’re called librarians.
Deciding what books do and don’t belong in a library is literally part of their job. I know, because I’m married to one. She used to work in a school library, now she works in a public library. It was a Catholic school (she’s an atheist, they didn’t discriminate) and they trusted her to figure out which books were appropriate for their kids because of her degree. What does that tell you about librarians?
It tells me that they are obviously evil because they don’t blindly support a white Christian authoritarian regime.
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Yes, so 4 year olds can read mein kampf
Yes
We had like everything, from childrens books to engineering stuff. It’s filed differently so your fragile mind won’t need to see “adult” books if you don’t want to I guess.
My fragile mind doesnt want minors to see things they shouldnt see till later. That should be a pretty obvious thing that everyone wants for children…
the world is hard and kids need to be taught about us in a controlled environment like a school.
Get rid of anything that mentions rape, prostitution, genocide, or god forbid SODOMY?
Out goes the bible then. No one under 18 should read it.
Incest. Don’t forget incest.
Unironically yes.
The difference between the Bible and other more modern books is that the Bible is the most influential book in western civilization. If you want to have a censored on that removed those exact passages then that seems like a reasonable compromise.
Fuck that, the wretched thing doesn’t deserve special treatment. There is nothing about the contents of the bible that are worth granting exception for. You want to ban adult themes? I can think of nothing more deserving of such a ban than the oldest book to incorporate rape, divinely ordained murder (all over the place), instructions on how to perform an abortion, incest, and the severly mixed message of “god loves everyone, unless you don’t worship them, then you get tortured forever”.
Like it or not the Bible is the most influence book in western history, so yes it gets special treatment. But again, if you want to make a censored version for kids that takes out those parts, it seems like a reasonable compromise.
Just like all christians do, they just want to pick the ones that fit their agenda and ignore the rest.
What “the rest” are we ignoring?
I like how this argument assumes schools are just regularly stocking school libraries with your Literotica history.
I didnt say they were. If its not happening very often why are you guys so against books being removed?
If it’s not happening often, why are you hellbent on banning books? They are edge case, but your ilk act like every school library is chuck full of inappropriate books.
I am hellbent on protecting children from adults that will do them harm. If its only edge cases then why are you hellbent on putting rules in place to remove questionable books?
So remove them entirely? It’s not like the kids are going read one by chance and if they are seeking them then they are ready
Only if these books are inscribed on the side of a Glock
Which books do you believe shouldn’t be provided in a classroom setting?
No copouts. I don’t think anyone expects a bunch of 3rd graders to have a discussion on 50 Shades of Grey.
I think the opinion as to what shouldnt be in public schools is reasonable, and I am cool if we are overly restrictive if there is a reason that is good and is supported by enough people.
You didn’t answer my question. Let’s try a different one. Once again without copping out: Give us a couple good reasons for why a book should be restricted in education.
Books should be restricted from education if a significant portion of the adults dont think its appropriate for children. This could include any variety of reasons they dont think its appropriate.
Will each book be voted on individually? How does that work in your head? I doubt that people read minimally an excerpt of each book to decide and ban them.
Probably do it on a complaint basis. Each school district could have a diverse board and they could look at the books that people dont like and if X out of Y think it should be removed, then remove it. Does that work for you?
All books ever!!! The Necromomicon! Solomon’s Demonology! THE ANARCHIST’S NOTEBOOK!! PEPPA PIG GOES TO HELL!! !
No gods, no masters, no borders, no censors.
It isn’t about them being available. Its about discussing the content and the deeper meaning. I would be totally fine with reading Adolf Hitlers - Mein Kampf in School, as long as the content gets discussed and why what he wrote wasn’t good.
Nothing is going to be discusses it would just be sitting on the shelf and available. So I think we should all agree that censorship of books in public schools makes sense. I personally am fine with siding on the side of being more cautious and having kids less able to get books people think are not acceptable, and catching books that probably should be available in schools.
If kids are only exposed to kid friendly stuff, then they will never learn anything and stay kids long into adulthood.
I guess so, but if kids are exposed to adult things their mind is not ready for it will harm them.
They already deal with the fact that someone can just go in and shoot them the middle the middle of class. Those books are nothing compared to that
Two different discussions.
Censoring books due to reasons like “these books provide a point of view I’m not comfortable exposing my kids too” is usually a bad reason to censor books.
Problem I see is its all a pendulum on these issues where the reaction swings wildly back and forth the more energy were putting into it rather than having it settle the fuck down.
For instance these books being removed aren’t produced in spite of this issue. But for sure if we dig into censorship topic then pro censorship groups start bringing out books to be edgy cunts and prove a point.
Every issue has edge cases and we live in a time where people are so willing to be right they will make every edge case the center of an issue. Like in order to keep Maus on shelves we will now need to have a copy of Bomb making 101 or a book were one of these people wrote FUCK a million times just so they can get anti censorship people to say “hey that isn’t cool guys”
What you are saying makes sense, I just dont see an issue if XX% of people dont want a book to be in PUBLIC schools, then I am okay with restricting it unless there is some kind of cultural significance, and within reason. I am probably okay with Maus from what I have heard, but I dont see it as an issue to take it off the shelf if people feel strongly and there is some level of logic.
You’re a fucking troglodyte.
You do realise that there’s a version of Mien Kampf that’s four times as long because there’s several experts annotating and debunking Hitler’s ideas right there on the page.
Thats fine, what would be so bad if a signficant part of the population dont think its appropriate so its not provided to kids at a public school?
A significant part of the population doesn’t think it’s appropriate for a picture book about two male penguins that adopt a chick to be in a public school.
In fact, a significant part of the population doesn’t think white kids and black kids should go to the same school. And have found ways to do things about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segregation_academy
Why should we cater to these significant parts of the population?
History is uncomfortable. Revising it to tell lovely stories is all well and good for building a national identity.
However, sugar-coating, ignoring, or even flat-out erasing parts of history benefits no one. People started writing events down accurately because the orators of old never intended paint an accurate picture of the past. And therefore lessons learnt from the failures of humanity (lost causes, preventable catastrophies, perspectives of people on the wrong side, genocides, etc.) were also lost.
History should be uncomfortable, so we can collectively learn and have a chance to do better the next time.
You are believing the propaganda not what the real critique is.
What would be so bad with…
…checks notes…
…informing young people about the most horrible decisions made throughout history, why they were flawed, and how not to repeat the same mistakes today?
Hmm…
Just take a look at the world around you. That’s a fucking start…
That is not what is happening…
well the USA was circling the drain after Trump’s first win… they are now at the toilet gargling stage
This isn’t the USA. It’s one school district in one state. I know you aren’t bright enough to separate the two, but it would be like saying because the far right has made inroads in French election, then all of Europe is in the toilet.
If you read the article you’ll find that this is a nation wide movement, they are all copying ban lists from Booklook, a website that used to be a Mom’s for Liberty site. Which is why these clowns keep blindly removing books that make them look like anti-semetic racist idiots. They are those things, but one would guess they’d be a little subtle, also most school districts don’t allow blanket book banning, you have to find the book in their libraries and have a formal meeting about removing it. A lot of these books aren’t even in school libraries.
But my point is. It’s not one school district in one state it’s happening all over.
There are people all over the globe who want to ban books, I’m sure there is plenty of trying. The fact that they haven’t been successful across the country, but won in this one podunk district in a very conservative state, kind of reflects well on the US as a whole, no?
It’s not just one place. I feel like you already understand this but you just need to argue a point for dumb reasons. It’s not one place, it’s a clear, obvious, nation wide effort with central organization. Why would you think that isn’t significant OTHER than arguing a point for no reason beyond your ego?
It’s spreading though and will get worse if trump gets elected.
For it being “just one state” I read about book bannings way to often.
This isn’t the USA.
Texas is, believe it or not, the USA. Since 1845 even.
I know you aren’t bright enough to separate the two
Big words from a pathetic person.
it would be like saying because the far right has made inroads in French election, then all of Europe is in the toilet.
Imagine existing in 2024 and not yet noticing the global trend towards Fascism in a world with increasing economic unfairness that’s about to experience a worldwide climate disaster that will displace a billion people, handing a massive opportunity to the far right to take control.
But no, the right wing is no big deal. Just ignore what’s happening in Texas and France (and everywhere else), it’s not important.
Texas is, believe it or not, the USA. Since 1845 even.
No, Texas is part of the USA. It is not the USA. You even responded to the part about how I discussed parts of Europe…and you still fucked this up. Amazing.
But no, the right wing is no big deal.
Who said it wasn’t a big deal? I’m all for calling this out, but using this one school district doing something dumb to claim the entirety of the USA is garbage is…well, completely fucking moronic.
It’s not one school district is a nationwide effort, you’re minimizing it either through ignorance or malice.
I’m sure there is some effort in every corner of the globe to have some books banned. You’re minimizing it either through ignorance or malice.
Next time just say ‘‘No U’’, all this is doing is convincing me you don’t know what these words mean.
You can say france is in the toilet when they start banning books. But europe is a continent.
Sorry, meant to say “the EU” which is a political entity.
Conservatives continue winning elections. Trump, of all people, actually became president. He has a non zero chance of being voted in again. Supreme Court is far right conservative. House of reps is republican controlled. Many Democrat elected officials are arguably, conservative.
This is the USA. This is who the conservatives are, and they win often.
Until the people show us by continually electing democrats to take the senate, house, and exec branch over and over and over again (not gonna happen), this type of shit is VERY USA.
You propose legitimate criticisms of the us as a whole. I was responding to the claim that this one school district being dumb is what makes the whole us dumb. It’s terrible logic, and I think you understand that, which is why you didn’t attempt to defend their argument, but pulled in tons of other points to justify their conclusion.
You’re not paying attention to any news if you think this type of thing is only happening in one school district. There has been big surge in the last year
Texas thanks you for your service.
‘Never again’ is now.
