Hamas says it has launched a rocket attack towards the Tel Aviv area in central Israel for the first time in nearly four months. At least eight rockets were launched from the Rafah area in southern Gaza and several were intercepted, the Israeli military says. No injuries have been reported.
People without a state fighting for their right to be a state shoots rockets at country that they are at war with.
Kiev shoots rockets into Russia and everyone gets it.
I’m anti-war as much as the next person but I can understand that a besieged people will act like they are under seige.
In Ukraine’s case russia is guilty of both the crimes of hamas and Israel:
russia invaded with the intent to wipe out their neighbour and wiping out Ukrainian identity from the region (like hamas wants to wipe out Israel and would if they had the means). They resort to unethical asymmetric tactics and torture innocents in the name of national liberation like hamas.
as well as
levelling whole cities with massive civilian casualties without regard for human life (like Israel is doing).
There is no equivalence.
You’re living in fantasy land. Israel is wiping Palestinians off the planet, actions > words. Israel is guilty of Hamas and Israels actions according to your own logic.
There is absolutely equivalence, both are besieged and their actions are understandable at the state level. Fight back to your oppressors.
So you think what hamas did on Oct 7th was to “Fight back to your oppressors”? You’re the one living in fantasy land.
I did not say that and wouldn’t. Israel created the conditions for Hamas to come to power.
Looks like Zionists have brigaded this post.
You can’t just call everyone who disagrees with you a “Zionist”. We can read comments and your responses to them. That’s exactly what extremists, like Zionists, do.
Just look at the apologia of these comments. This is Hasbara brigading.
In all discussions I’ve had about this, the root of the whole issue that fractures discourse is: should Israel disappear or not?
I think not (even if the original partition plan was too utopic and inviting a disaster), so the best Palestinians will ever get is what was in the original partition agreement, which you just have to accept peacefully, not with war, war declarations make palestine lose ground e.g. 1967 borders. I’m sure if a Palestinian government (not fucking hamas) recognized Israel, they’d get their state tomorrow, but this was never accepted, sooo…
if instead ou think Israel should disappear or turn into an ungovernable fractured state like Lebanon, like hamas wants, then…“fight back to your oppressors” and you’ll have endless war.
Whether it should or not, I think the fact needs to be accepted that Israel won’t disappear and the question now is whether or not Palestinians get to, at the very least, have the West Bank and Gaza as an independent nation. I hope they get more than that, but Israel is not going to disappear. A two state solution is, I hope, something that will eventually be reached.
I think the fact needs to be accepted that Israel won’t disappear
No it should not.
As long as the Palestinians not recognized israel, israel has no right to exist. If israel wants to gain that right it can do so by accepting a two state solution
I think the wast majority of the world agrees with this. It’s even the US’ official position.
The clock didn’t start on October 7th. Zionists have been massacring Palestinians since 1948. Palestinians have every right to fight their occupiers.
Yea, because escalation always solves the problems of Palestinians.
It did. New countries recognized palestine as a state, many universitis diversed from companies supporting israel. Icc and icj sided with palestinians etc. Algeria sacrificed 1 million persons to get their independence.
Yes, but France only had to gtfo of Algeria, they just had to swallow their pride, give up and go home. Where do you expect Israelis to go?
Sure would be nice if people in that region stopped attacking civilians at every opportunity.
Israel is the only one massacring civilians en masse.
TIL killing 1143 people in one day at one location is not “en masse”.
695 you mean? Not sure why you’re counting military kills as civilians.
All of the Gaza death toll numbers you see include Hamas in those numbers.
There’s no way to know how many deaths in Gaza are Hamas (they don’t wear uniforms) but Hamas themselves has said they lost 6,000. The actual number is likely much higher. But whatever the actual number is, it’s included in the Gaza death toll numbers.
Hamas themselves have never said they have lost 6.000. They have never released any number.
Israel has released numbers. 1400. 1200. 1139. 695.
Oh my bad, soldiers and police trying to protect concertgoers from getting slaughtered wholesale at a music festival are fair game. Do you hear yourself?
The soldiers mostly got killed in military bases. Which happen to be stationed right next to music festivals.
Also a lot of soldiers dancing at that music festival. Nothing more fun than a rave next to a concentration camp.
Maybe more genocide will make Israel safe. Genocide is the best path to peace and security, right? 🤪
Soo… the battle of Berlin was a genocide against the German people, because the Soviets killed 125000 German civilians besides the enemy combatants.
Call it what it is: a war. There are blockades, starvation, massacres in war, especially in urban combat. That is why you avoid declaring war or invading your neighbours, like hamas did on Oct 7th, but hamas doesn’t give a shit about Palestinians, so long as they manage to wipe out Israel.
Is it war when one group is wholly reliant on another for access to food, water, communication, electricity and other forms of aid?
It’s ridiculous to call this a war when there’s such a dependency. Israel wants Palestinians in gaza over the southern border or dead, an ethnic cleansing and genocide.
Not to mention the West Bank, which is not controlled by Hamas, being a center of settler violence and concentration camps for Palestinians.
Some war.
Why is Palestine not a country? When Israel was created, Palestine was supposed to have been officially created too, you know why?
Hasbara bot be gone!
… not helping.
“Hey! Stop that! Be genocided in peace! How dare you fight back!”
Look, if we’re gonna agree that Israel has been occupying Palestine for decades and abusing them for decades, at a certain point you need to admit that Hamas isn’t 100% at fault. Just like how the USs actions in the Middle East increased extremism and terrorism, so has Israel’s. You can’t keep murdering mothers and fathers and expect the children to grow up thinking that “peace as dictated by your oppressors” is the solution.
Yes, the oppressed are eager to hurt people any way they can, and nobody can expect it to be any other way.
But still, launching long range missiles isn’t an impulse action. There are so many actors domestic and internationally to do production, procurement, installation, logistics, assembly, that we can assume someone high up has made a strategic decision based on expected outcome.
And the expected outcome is extremely obvious: a) zero tactical gains, and b) more excuses to ignore international pressure and hit Rafah even more brutally.
Or you do nothing and get completely walked all over.
Because what’s your solution? Words aren’t doing shit.
Any action other than assisting the invaders would be an improvement.
The PA tried peace and the West Bank is being ethnically cleansed more every day.
The problem here isn’t Hamas. It’s israel.
I upvoted you, because your point about the occupied West Bank is valid, but let’s be clear: Hamas is very much a problem. They haven’t held real elections in Gaza for close to 2 decades and have been in severe violent internal conflict with their Palestinian opposition.
Israel being genocidal maniacs doesn’t mean everyone shooting rockets at them is automatically a good guy.
The “Palestinian opposition” here being the PA, a tool of israel that does nothing but serve israel. The official organisation of Uncle Tom. And as I just stated, they are giving away the entire West Bank to israel and helping israel arrest Hamas members trying to resist.
Guess who hasn’t held elections either? The PA.
Hamas is certainly not the “goodest of guys”. If you want perfect victims look elsewhere. But their violent resistance is only as a means to reach peace. Hamas has already offered a ceasefire and is prepared to agree to a 2state solution. Only israel does not want peace
So no, Hamas is not the problem. Israel is the problem.
I don’t think either of you are wrong. What you are both seeing is a feedback loop. You decide which you want to put first here, but for simplicity’s sake, Israel attacks a threat, which kills people’s innocent loved ones. This creates more people who become a threat by attacking Israel, which results in Israel attacking that threat, and the cycle continues indefinitely.
Hamas has long advocated for a ceasefire and is still offering one to this day.
The “circle of violence” is 100% israel.
Nobody is ever 100% at fault, life doesn’t work that way. People are interconnected with each other in ways we can never fully disentangle.
The question is how best to move forwards towards peace. And that, is not helped by continuation of violent conflict. 8 rockets towards the Israeli seat of govt isn’t “fighting back”, not vs their air defence. It’s “not enough people have died yet”.
How many rockets has Israel launched? Defending yourself with 8 rockets vs hundreds? Get real
Thank god israel is throwing 2000 pound guided bombs on refugee camps instead of blindly guestimating a few rockets with calculated trajectories pointed towards military bases…
70% of all homes in Gaza just destroyed themselves right
