• Riddick3001@lemmy.worldOP
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      2 months ago

      Why? It’s their fault.

      As a sort of outsider afaik: many ( Germans) probably still feel the cultural guilt. Also, technically and morally the Germans have made reparations and ammendments ; still many have therefore a soft and blind spot for the Jewish cause. And for sure the Holocaust should never been forgotten.

      But the diaspora started many centuries ago. Zionisim started as a (revolutionary) reaction to this dispersal, and as a wakeupcall for the ppl to unite at the end of 19th century iirc.

      These (displacement & refuge) problems and in this case ages of racism (antisemitism) are ancient.

      And just to be clear, they’re not the only (lost/disturbed) tribe worldwide. Imo, many palestines must specially now be experiencing somewhat similar or parallel to what happened to many Jews during WW II, which makes it even crazier.

      It’s just ancient history repeating itself, only the name, the places and the dates have been changed…

      I imagine, and this is a recent discussion, that the UN charter and all humanitarian organisations must change and modernize our legal framework and organisation. There are and are going to be way more refuges and horrors in the years to come.

      it’s jut so saddeing as fuck. Idk

      • footoro@sh.itjust.works
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        2 months ago

        Zionism actually started much earlier, the idea to offload the Jews has its origins in the 17th century and originated from European anti-Semitic elites. They wanted to get rid of the Jews and have a geopolitical entity there. Zionism was also not a mainstream position of Jews in the 19th century.

        This has little to do with ancient history, it’s a colonial project initiated by European anti-semites and some European Jews in the last couple hundred years, but especially since the 1870s.

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    2 months ago

    What pro-Palestinians are asking for is a country ‘from the river to the sea’ where every inhabitant has the same rights.

    While Israel is working towards a country ‘from the river to the sea’ where Palestinians don’t have the same rights as Israeli Jews.

    So what’s the author advocating for?

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      2 months ago

      Except the people who actually live there want a country from the river to the sea, free of jews. You’re western armchair quarterbacking

      • brainrein@feddit.de
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        2 months ago

        Well, if you were to conduct a poll among Palestinians today, there would certainly be a number of people who would prefer that Israeli Jews simply disappear. This does not necessarily mean that they want to expel or murder all Jews in Palestine.

        I actually find this wish somewhat understandable, considering the experiences they have had with Israel and Zionism over the last hundred years and are currently having. After all, it was Israel that has so far reduced the Palestinians within its territory to a population share of 20% by expelling them. And it has only not properly annexed the rest of the territory it claims because it can oppress the Palestinian majority there better as an occupying power than if they were citizens.

        However, things will look very different once Israel is no longer the invincible bully with the big bodybuilder brother who can simply take what he wants without having to fear any consequences.

        Of course, in order to enter into negotiations, Israel would have to apologize for 75 years of expulsion, land theft, disenfranchisement, occupation and oppression. That will certainly not be an easy step for Israel. And they will probably not take it voluntarily. That is precisely why they need loving pressure from their European friends in Europe and especially in America.

        Not with violence, of course, but like in South Africa, through political isolation and boycott. I think that nowadays no country, especially not such a small country, can afford to be isolated from the rest of the world. And hopefully that will make the Israeli government more willing to compromise.

        We remember that in South Africa there was a right-wing head of government, a convinced racist, under whose leadership apartheid collapsed and the oppression of the black population ended.

        Germany and France were also once arch enemies. And today they are the heart of the EU.