The plan is stop supporting Ukraine and support Russia. You know this Zelenskyy…
Everyone is saying his plan is to give Ukraine to Russia, but his actual plan is to try to give all of Europe to Russia by pulling out of NATO.
The entire military complex is milking the US taxpayer dollar from this war, if Trump were to stand in the way of the MIC and their income… given the presidential assassinations observed in recent history I would imagine that he would have multiple crosshairs on his forehead:.: it would take an incredible amount of patriotic duty to ignore that risk and pull funding anyway.
“It would be so patriotic to let the Ukrainians get genocided by our long-time enemy bro”
Putin has been on Tucker Carlson and remained fairly clear since the beginning that this war is not about killing Ukraine people (in a genocide as you word it)… in fact the genocide is really happening as a result of US influence, Russia has many legitimate reasons to seek unification of Ukraine with Russian interests, I don’t agree with them, but I disagree that it is a US interest to send US taxpayer money to Ukraine for weapons and arms to prolong this war.
America simply cannot afford to forever siphon money out of the coffers to Ukraine which then purchase weapons and arms which then make the weapons and arms dealers more powerful and wealthy… it’s a wholesale scam, just as we saw in the Middle East… Orwell predicted this, long drawn out pointless wars that suddenly stop when a new war is created. Today we’re told Russia bad guy, tomorrow it might be palestines Hamas, in the future we may see a forever war with China…
It doesn’t really matter at this point. America just like other allied nations should stay out of other people’s wars. Military tax money should be on a need to have basis only
During the course of the entire war, the US has spent $175 billion helping Ukraine. This might sound like a lot until you realize that in just a single year, the US’ federal budget is $6.5 trillion. So even if we paid for everything all at once, there’s still $6.32 trillion left this year.
Not to mention most of the money goes back into the American economy. We are spending money on weapons that are largely sitting in warehouses that we would otherwise need to be replaced. Weapons don’t last forever. So for pennies on the dollar we are saving Ukrainian cities from being “liberated” by our cold war enemy that never stopped being our cold war enemy. Sounds like a great investment to me.
I believe hes already said he would pull all US aid out and let russia have them
His plan is to hand you over to putin on a silver platter, for free.
“Our government has a [flexible] policy not to capitulate to [the oligarch that owns my debt and may, possibly have some lewd photos] demands.” - Trump quoting Patron Saint of Neoliberalism, Golden Idol of the GOP, Ronald Wilson Regan
Given their track records, maybe we shouldn’t vote anyone with the name Wilson in their name to the highest office anymore…
Trump has got to be among the biggest narcissists alive.
Given how fat he is, that is probably true in multiple ways
True but he does have the smallest hands
And he’s teaching others how to be one too
Remember when Trump said he would get rid of the ACA and they had a plan to replace it? But he never had a plan and eventually said “who knew healthcare was so complicated?” (Everybody knew it was complicated.) This is the exact same thing.
Only things he likes more than himself are underage girls.
if trump was president in 1940 ww2 would have never happened. Also ww1 for 1914. and civil war for 1861. If trump was president before we would all live in solid gold houses and drive rocket cars with zero pollution
This is really not that hard, its to negotiate peace with the main part being that Ukraine will never join nato. Its almost like we could have totally avoided hundreds of thousands of dead people if our foreign policy didnt suck so bad.
Russia doesn’t get to dictate what sovereign nations do. They can fuck off back to their own country, that would put an immediate stop to the war.
Thats true, but what if we had listened to them and prevented hundreds of thousands of dead people? Why would that have been bad?
What if they had listened to us and not fucking invaded a sovereign nation? Why would that have been bad?
Moreover, surrendering whatever Russia sticks a flag in is appeasement nonsense. We’ve already seen this strategy before WWII: *oh, Germany will be OK if we just cede Czechoslovakia. Oh, Germany won’t attack if we cede Alsace-Lorraine…" An aggressive power like Russia, who already tried to annex large portions of another sovereign nation in 2008 (they invaded Georgia and got their shit kicked in because they tried the whole “three day thunder run” strategy), almost certainly will not stop if you just “give them what they want”. Eventually, they’ll want more, and more, and more, and you wind up surrendering slice after slice after slice of your country.
So then nato gets to constantly aggress on them and they cant do anything? And then you are shocked that they invaded.
“Aggress on them” by existing on their border? This is apologist and appeasement nonsense. Russia’s rights end at their borders.
Except that the cuban missle crises shows the US completely disagrees (unless it is convenient at that moment). Do you not see how this war was 100% avoidable if nato did not cross the directly drawn line?
Comparing them to our imperialist actions isn’t the brilliant argument that you think it is.
At any rate, NATO has never offered membership to Ukraine — they’ve been explicitly told their corruption issues were a non-starter.
And, of course, Ukraine only started those talks following Russia invading Crimea in 2014. Again, Russia is the clear aggressor here. Get real.
Putin should have no reason to give a rat’s ass if any country is in NATO, unless he plans on invading it.
They correctly feel that nato is an anti soviet/russian union. Why should they not be concerned about it getting on their border?
What is NATO doing to interfere with Russia’s domestic operations and sovereignty? Ukraine is not Russia, so Russia should have no say in the matter just because they’re next to each other.
Same thing would apply if Ukraine were to invade Russia. Ukraine would have no business doing so.
Putting arms near their border… This has been a known problem since the cuban missle crisis.
I’m also curious how annexing a country and extending your borders to countries already in NATO solves that problem?
And what history does NATO have of using their arms for offensive purposes, rather than defense?
A really big history… Take a peak at what countries are in nato and realize they have a long history of being directly in conflict with Russia/Soviet Union.
You mean like being a part of the USSR and wanting nothing to do with them?
His plan is to tell Ukraine to stop fighting and just let it happen.
Just like he tells underaged girls.
If it’s good enough for the woman he rapes it’s good enough for Ukraine.
I’ve been digging into the whole rape thing, correct me if I’m wrong but it looks a lot like a smear campaign than anything else, that is which to say, there is zero evidence he did this and yet the mainstream media has been instructed to go hard with it lately to perhaps persuade the public to vote against him… thoughts?
By “digging into” do you mean “reading about it on truth social”? Because that is the only way in which someone might look into this situation and conclude trump isn’t guilty
I use twitter because it has the community notes thing and tends to allow both sides of the spectrum to state their views
It’s virtually impossible to smear Trump, because what could you come to with that’s worse than the truth?
thoughts?
Ever the optimist I see
You have been corrected because you are very obviously wrong. Are you going to integrate this correction into your espoused views going forward or are you just going to repeat the same brain dead bullshit again and again?
He’s been on Epsteins plane 7 times. He was his friend.
Trump also knew Epstein liked “younger girls”.
It’s all in court documents
“As the court explained in its recent decision denying Mr Trump’s motion for a new trial on damages and other relief [in the New York case] … based on all of the evidence at trial and the jury’s verdict as a whole, the jury’s finding that Mr Trump ‘sexually abused’ Ms Carroll implicitly determined that he forcibly penetrated her digitally – in other words, that Mr. Trump, in fact, did ‘rape’ Ms. Carroll as that term commonly is used and understood in contexts outside of the New York penal law.” - Lewis A. Kaplan: Senior Judge of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York.
Am I reading this right that it’s because a civil decision by jury implies rape?
Pretty much, except it may be more appropriate to replace “implies” with “determined there was sufficient evidence to conclude”
Listen, I’m not a lawyer, I’m not trying to say I am.
It’s widely understood that civil litigation is held to a lower level of scrutiny than criminal proceedings are.
It’s widely accepted that jury trials are more prone to error than other types of hearings.
The legal meaning of the word “implicit” in that sentence is something close to “we didn’t ask the jury about this, but something they did rule on could be interpreted as implying it”.
I’m not making an excuse for trump or normalizing rape when I say the following:
That is paper fucking thin.
A civil court conviction seems like enough for me
And when Putin asks Trump to accept the end of Ukraine and no longer accept the Ukrainian language as separate from Russian, he will immediately do some executive orders.
Ha ha “asks”.
Everyone knows this, but it’s difficult to point out how dogshit Trump’s “plan” is if he refuses to state what his actual plan is.
Did he say he had a plan? I thought he said he could end the war.
Or they will release the secret tapes of him colluding with Burisma?! I hope so
Trump doesn’t have one.
His plan is sucking his master Putin’s cock!
Oh you are one of these, bye.
He will suck Putin’s dick so hard that Russia will learn to respect the US again and never dare to start another war
Trump’s plan is to end support for Ukraine.
Same plan he made in Syria and Afghanistan. Abandon US allies in the region, hand over all local assets to hostile forces and leak intel like damn spaghetti strainer.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he ordered the DoD to hanf over all the intel we have about Ukraine to Russia and withdraw all other support and recon in the area.
Liberals will criticize ending a pointless 20 year war and somehow still not realize that they’re jingos.
The criticisms are universally about how he “ended” it. I have seen no one that was in favor of staying. Likewise, Trump gets criticism on betraying our allies because he knowingly and intentionally ratfucked the kurds, or have you totally forgotten about that?
Trump didn’t end the war in Afghanistan. Biden did. The President who determined how that happened was Joe Biden.
“The Trump administration in February 2020 negotiated a withdrawal agreement with the Taliban that excluded the Afghan government, freed 5,000 imprisoned Taliban soldiers and set a date certain of May 1, 2021, for the final withdrawal.”
“And the Trump administration kept to the pact, reducing U.S. troop levels from about 13,000 to 2,500, even though the Taliban continued to attack Afghan government forces and welcomed al-Qaeda terrorists into the Taliban leadership.”
“And the Trump administration kept to the pact, reducing U.S. troop levels from about 13,000 to 2,500, even though the Taliban continued to attack Afghan government forces and welcomed al-Qaeda terrorists into the Taliban leadership.”
So should the withdrawal have been stopped at that point? Exactly how much longer do you think we should’ve stayed in Afghanistan?
And that criticism was always bullshit. There’s no “right” way to retreat, it was always going to play out the way it did. Journalists criticized it in bad faith, because it generated clicks and because they never actually opposed the war, because again, war is great for clicks. In reality, what happened when the US pulled out was the culmination of 20 years spent doing nothing to stabilize the country and only making the Taliban stronger.
But go ahead then, armchair strategist, and describe to me what specifically could’ve been done differently about the withdrawal that would not have resulted in things playing out the way they did.
Opposing the withdrawal is the same as supporting the war. The withdrawal was one of the only good things Biden did in his whole career and liberals will never forgive him for it. Worse yet, you want to allow Trump to claim credit for it when Biden’s the one who actually saw it through and had to deal with the flak from it.
Damn liberals are literally saying we should have stayed in Afghanistan because Trump withdrew. One of the few good things Trump did and that’s what they want to use to take the moral high-ground.
The local “American forces” were child raping pedo warlords.
Blue MAGA will support anything that’s the opposite of what Trump did.
Trump didn’t withdraw from Afghanistan. Biden followed the timeline trump set (with a slight delay, maybe?) and got no end of shit for it.
Trump negotiated with the Taliban without inviting the Afghan government, and released a bunch of them from prison.
For fuck’s sake, if you want to shit on liberals at least try and get your talking points right.
Blue MAGA
Further proof that you’re an unserious clown.
My talking points are from reality not from liberal propaganda. Trump retreated the majority of the troops already. Biden finished the retreat. It most definitely started with Trump.
As part of the United States–Taliban deal, the Trump administration agreed to an initial reduction of US forces from 13,000 to 8,600 troops by July 2020, followed by a complete withdrawal by 1 May 2021, if the Taliban kept its commitments. At the start of the Biden administration, there were 2,500 US soldiers remaining in Afghanistan
I’m not sure what “Afghan government” you are talking about. The puppets we put in power which were rampantly raping children because we backed them up? As soon as the money was gone the “Afghan government” dissolved within a day. Literally. Those people were not ideologically driven they were just a bunch of corrupt druggies that got a free pass to rape children as long as they obeyed us.
If you want to dunk on Trump bring up January 6, his Muslim ban or any other of the million stupid things he did, not him retreating from Afghanistan. Talk about talking points…
When I’m not liking the thinks people say they are child raping pedo lords.
Grow up a bit will you?
There’s video evidence and the video is linked.
Wake up a bit, will you?
That 2014 documentary explains perfectly how you have been lied to for over 6 years.
It explains everything about Afghanistan that the liberal fairy tale reality tries to hide.
The USA, Iran and Russia are responsible for syrian civil war. None should have got involved in it
The start of the Syrian civil war had nothing to do with anyone except the Syrian people being pissed off at living under the most restrictive police state in the Arab world. There were protests after a mass arrest and subsequent torture of 15 teenage boys who had spay-painted some anti-government graffiti on some walls around the city.
Assad cracked down on the protests hard, which led to people saying, “fuck this shit, time for a revolution”.
Iran started helping Assad, and then the US started helping the rebels. And yeah it’s a shit show now. But no, it would have kicked off without outside help.
A lot of people would still have died without outside intervention and syrian had the right to kick of the revolution against asad. I don’t disagree with that but outaide intervation definitely made it a lot worse. Ben ali wasalso very brutal but due to the lack of interests from major powers the revolution in tunisia was relatively very peaceful
Be as that may be, Trump absolutely selling out the Kurdish Militia that was a long time US ally in the region was not acceptable.
Trump absolutely selling out the Kurdish Militia
Shhh, the MSM isn’t saying anything negative about the orange felon.
Holy shit I forgot about that.
34 time felon.
It doesn’t change the fact that imperial powers ruined syria
Of course it had nothing to do with the repressive authoritarian regime killing its own people because they had the temerity to protest.
Of course the usa support rebels because they care about syrians and human life and not because they only cares about their own interest. The usa representing democracy is the number one supported of coups over the world, the country who represent human rights ignores the crimes commited by israel and is allying with saudi arabia. The countries who had revolutions without imperialist powers didn’t fell into a civil war inlike all other revolutions with russia or usa interference.
Imperial powers created Syria. Modern Syria anyway. The entire Middle East has been an Imperial project since colonialism. Pretty much only the Saudis and Israel (and Iran, if you want to count it as Middle Eastern) aren’t on board.
I mean, not for lack of trying, they did stage a coup and plant the Shah of Iran as the leader for a while
The plan? Ukraine surrenders unconditional and in totality.
