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It blows our hivemind that the United States doesn’t use the ISO 216 paper size standard (A4, A5 and the gang).

Like, we consider ourselves worldly people and are aware of America’s little idiosyncrasies like mass incarceration, the widespread availability of assault weapons and not being able to transfer money via your banking app, but come on - look how absolutely great it is to be European:

The American mind cannot comprehend this diagram

[Diagram of paper sizes as listed below]

ISO 216 A series papers formats

AO

A1

A3

A5

A7

A6

Et.

A4

Instead, Americans prostrate themselves to bizarrely-named paper types of seemingly random size: Letter, Legal, Tabloid (Ledger) and all other types of sordid nonsense. We’re not even going to include a picture because this is a family-friendly finance blog.

Source: Financial Times

  • nid_do@feddit.de
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    1 month ago

    Let’s not even start with the metric system (used everywhere) and the imperial system (used in the usa and some african countries).

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        Except for the UI.

        During the Apollo program they had very limited computer capacity in the capsule and lander. Computers were huge machines back then and they had to fit one in a spaceship.

        The Apollo computers used metric internally for all calculations. Anything shown to the astronauts however was in imperial, as metric was apparently too complicated for astronauts to comprehend. They had to waste precious computer capacity converting to imperial because even astronauts can’t handle anything else.

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      1 month ago

      Don’t let the UK get away with their bs as well, they use a mix of metric and imperial. Imo that even worse bc at least america is consistent with their bs measuring system

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    1 month ago

    To be fair, A4 yields unwieldy pages that are too long to comfortably read. And when do you ever need the feature to fold an A4 sheet into A5?

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    1 month ago

    The annoying “letter” paper size is for some unknown reason what windows always sets as the paper size unless I change it to A4 manually. Naturally if I forget the printer won’t print. US paper sizing - annoying me on the other side of the Atlantic.

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      1 month ago

      File I’m printing: A4 PDF
      Default printer setting in Windows: A4
      Default setting on printer itself: A4
      Setting that gets chosen automatically in the print dialog: Letter

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        1 month ago

        Well, Germans are pretty anal about standards (thankfully) and they do them right, so why not copy them?

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      1 month ago

      From their website: “We’re ISO, the International Organization for Standardization. We develop and publish International Standards.”

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        Sadly, ISO in recent decade started to do bullshit. They don’t pay for standard development, they don’t employ anyone for standard development, they collect membership fees from national standards organizations, require payment to download most standards and don’t allow to copy published standards. Also they retroactively paywalled a lot of standards.

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    idk why the image says “european”, the standard is worldwide. only north america and parts of latin america don’t use it afaik.

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      1 month ago

      We have trouble fitting all our freedom on your kooky, internationally-recognized sizes

      Here’s a comparison using the most sensible units possible:

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      Letter paper (8.5" x 11" | 215.9mm x 279.4mm) is kinda sorta pretty close to A4 (8.27" x 11.69" | 210mm x 297mm) so without having the two next to each other, it can seem like A4 is just a funny piece of letter, and vice versa. But to answer the actual question, USA and Canada (and apparently the phillipines???) use the “North American Standard” which is a terrifying mess in comparison to the beauty that is the ISO standard.

      Edit: typos

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        Tbf, I can see the use case for some “non-standard” sizes, like Legal, where having more height to the page without the extra width might be useful for readability of long documents.

        …can’t think of an excuse for the rest, though.

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          As a European, I do appreciate Legal as a format.

          It just happens slightly too often that an A4 is not long enough and the last bit, including the signature, goes to the next page.

          I wish Legal was common here. Or perhaps we could get a Long A4 with a third extra height or so.

          The Letter format should just be replaced by A4 though.

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            As a European, haven’t you heard about the existence of the B and C series of paper sizes? It may not be exactly what you have in mind, but B4 paper is 250 x 353 mm (9.8 x 13.9 in) and C4 paper is 229 x 324 mm (9 x 12.8 in). There’s also elongated A which is really long.

            I hope you appreciate the irony of an American telling you about them.

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          The US is a former British colony, but it doesn’t stop them from doing whatever the hell they want. Utter lunatics…

          I’m sorry, I still haven’t forgiven them for the whole tea thing…

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    Do Euro printers say PC LOAD A4?

    I think they probably do.

    I want to only briefly defend the NA system in terms of naming. I get it, I worked in printing for decades, I know how shitty it all can be. But Letter and Tabloid communicate well for something that is otherwise all the fault of press guys.

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      Well, one still could do it like how many countries transitioned to the metric system: slap the traditional names onto things that are actually now defined by the metric system, like how China’s catty, about 0.60478… kg, became 0.5kg. Just slap “Letter” onto A4.

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        That’s going to make some driver developers very upset. And sensors in printer cartridges that can sense both A4 and Letter.

        I say we just balls the whole thing. Screen or pencils.

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          For technical purposes that need to handle both you can just disambiguate it with “Letter (new)” and “Letter (work or school)”

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      Well, it’s 2024, so they mostly say things like “out of A4 paper - load A4 paper in tray number 3”. But yeah, they used to.

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      Not really sure about that one, I’ve been able to transfer money with my banks app for more than a decade. Not all US banks are created equal.

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        Not all US banks are created equal

        I think that’s the issue. Also how common direct deposit for paycheques in the US? I hear it’s rare but in Canada, it’s the norm and all our banks here can do e-transfers.

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          I’ve had direct deposit for every job since around 2004, before that it was a paper check on payday. Really I signed up for direct deposit after my manager gave me a hard time when I came in to pick up my check on a day I called out sick.