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This post got banned from !memes@lemmy.world for reason “Troll Posting” which is Very Disrespectful in my opinion. 😕
I mean this meme with full respect and love to my fellow community members and I was proud of the discussion and support it was creating.
EDIT: POST RESTORED YAY. (Thank you to the mods it turned out to be a misunderstanding.)
Important clarification/FAQ
I am not calling to coddle or excuse the behavior of bigoted men in any way!
I am calling to be kind and understanding to young men (often ages 10-20) who are very manipulable and succeptible to the massive anti feminist propaganda machine. Hope this clarifies that very important distinction. :)
Very good comments that express key points:
- Detailed summary of the situation if you’re wondering what’s going on
- The rhetorical value of the bear hypothetical and what this means for you
- One example of why the long-term rhetorical value of the hypothetical is poor, in the context of intersectionality
- What does disenfranchisement mean in this context?
- The importance of not asking women to tone down their expressions of fear and frustration
- “But why can’t they just say it nicely?”
- The importance of participation in kindness toward young men, specifically outside the context of people speaking their experiences
I agree. That doesn’t mean women should step back to please men, rather that we all as a society need to take the problem of disenfranchised men as the serious issue and long term threat to stable society that it is. This doesn’t mean that we need to fight them, just communicate to them in a better way.
Excellently written!
Thank you.
The fact that is post got removed for trolling is exactly why my feelings towards the bear meme have evolved from annoyed to “Reminded of the multiple times women have attempted to use cops as a weapon against me”
Holy shit I am so sorry this happened to you!?! That is not cool.
ACAB and also abusive women can kick rocks
This has happened to you multiple times? In what type of situation does this happen to you?
Bad people who happen to be women, know that they will be given the benefit of the doubt, and can 911 during an argument
I was wondering where this post went. I was so confused when it dissapeared - someone in the comments had mentioned a community called “nuance posting” or something and I was trying to find it :\
yeah that was me 😭 the community doesn’t exist but itd be cool if it did
What was the original hypothetical question? “Would you rather be stuck camping with a man or a bear?” Or is it “young man”? Or “creepy man”? I’m browsing the comments on all these threads and I’m just so confused.
I get their reasoning but seeing every other TikTok being about it (either women against men or men crying about when picking bears) is just too much. It seems too much about picking a side now and no discussion is happening. I just block anyone that pays about it on TikTok.
I was “groomed” into the far-right around 2006-2010, and I have to say progressives always understood me much better than anyone on the right. Best the right could do is blame my single mother for remarrying to an abusive jerk due to financial necessity, my father for not taking me with himself to my also abusive stepmother (my actual parents also needed a lot of self-reflection to be at least tolerable), and of course the same scaremongering and Jordan Peterson-level life “advices” that are popular today. They were way more transparent about not understanding gaming and the likes, unlike today’s right that pretends to care about it with its gamergates and similar culture war talking points.
Thanks for sharing that experience wow!
And welcome back to the cool as hell, progressive, respecting of human dignity club 💖🙂↕️🐺💪 we missed you
It’s not on women to soften their complaints of rape and harassment to try to prevent men from becoming incels and Nazis.
For Fucks Sake
Men can deal with the very mild discomfort of being occasionally reminded women have to always be vigilant.
absolutely agree ❤️
which is why i am very thankful for those who put in patience and effort into encouraging young men to see their shortcomings ~ outside the context of women voicing their experiences ~ in order to achieve a more equitable future for all
I’m not sure youth disenfranchisement is caused by bad rhetoric considering the other causes like wealth inequality and generally poor life fulfillment
Being kind and understanding to bigoted men has done nothing for feminism. This meme is ignorant of the feminist struggle.
I am not calling to be kind and understanding to bigoted men for sure!
I am calling to be kind and understanding to young men (often ages 10-20) who are very manipulable and succeptible to the massive anti feminist propaganda machine. Hope this clarifies that very important distinction. :)
Dudes need to sack up and realize there’s a lot of dudes out there that are creepy. It’s up to you as a stand up dude to call these creepy dudes out when they act up. Women don’t owe you anything, you stand up for them because it’s the right thing to do, and not because you want sex.
Being a model and force of positive masculinity is chad, sigma-pilled, and hot as hell. 🙂↕️🥵🐺💪
Absolutely. Unfortunately, I think the biggest impact of decent men standing up for fair treatment for women will simply be to make the cretins run back under their rocks - certainly good, but not enough. It’ll take generational change, changing the way boys are raised, the kind that’s been slowly happening with each successive wave of feminism, to truly solve this problem.
I was lucky enough to have a mother who was, despite being otherwise fairly conservative, unyieldingly feminist (in practice and speech, if not in labeling). I was raised with the knowledge that women, fundamentally, are people (gasp), for better and worse, and that society unfairly discriminates against women and harasses them for no other reason than the petty cruelty of a few who benefit and the many who are easily misled or hope to benefit.
Telling dudes to sack up is toxic masculinity. I thought we were against that.
Nothing wrong with masculinity. Toxic masculinity is what we are against.
Thanks for mansplaining
I was just trying to be helpful. No need to attack me for it.
