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See, that’s why I can’t vote for Biden. /s
I mean, Biden’s the reason those bombs are there to begin with.
If you actually cared about Palestine to survive, your best bet is to vote Biden.
All the alternatives will make the situation literally worse.
But you don’t care about Palestine do you? You just want Trump to win. Since your overlord Pootin commanded you to.
So. Let me get this straight. My BEST bet would be to vote for the same guy whose administration continues to provide billions of dollars in weapons to conduct airstrikes on refugee camps, and sometimes makes “We’re outraged! Who would have thought Israel would continue killing civilians!” comnents. You’re really as delusional as the other side. Greetings from a Pootin troll.
Yes that’s exactly right, because the alternative manages to somehow be even worse. All hail the two party system.
Glad you got it!
That administration isn’t writing “finish them” on the bombs.
Or what did you think would happen if Biden lost? Some green party that hasn’t gotten more than 5% of votes somehow winning?
Another lie.
You drop older stock bombs first so you don’t have to decommission them. Everyone knows that. Israel already has all the bombs it needs to turn all of Gaza and the West Bank into a sheet of glass a dozen times over. Wtf are you talking about Biden sent them the weapons? American policy as to Israel has everything to do with its posture as to Iran and fuck all to do with Israel’s posture as to Gaza, except that the West will not let Gaza or the West Bank fall into the hands of Iranian backed terrorists, i.e. Hamas.
Nice work, Dimitri, how’s the weather in St. Petersburg?
If I’m Dmitri, you’re Hermann.
I’m not the one sitting here making excuses for apartheid and genocide, Hermann.
No, you’re the one supporting the side whose potential VP candidate wrote “Finish them” on a piece of artillery to be used in the genocide that you pretend to be against, because she rightly believes their base will eat it up and doing so will help her get elected.
Lol. This is the party they want to replace ‘genocide joe’ with. Well done, kids!
Yes but see, if we just sit on our hands and don’t vote we won’t have any responsibility for what follows! Only voting for someone who is less than ideal on this issue is a morally bad choice!
I totally understand the point most of them are trying to make and agree with the sentiment, but they’re fucking morons. 100% absolute jibbering idiots.
This is an ugly binary choice here because the United States electoral system is a steaming pile of horse shit. Do what I, your friendly neighborhood lefty, am doing and swallow your pride and vote for center right Joe Biden because he’s leagues better than the dementia-addled, fascist Cheeto Benito. Then take all the disgust you’ve built up by voting for and living with another neoliberal corporate shill presidency and work your ass off to make sure we don’t have to keep voting between Dumb and Dumber every fucking election.
Do it because we’ll only be gently tiptoeing to the right under a Biden presidency, so it’s less likely you’ll end up in jail for discussing the “wrong” political ideology while that orange shitstained merkin would have me in jail just for writing this were it up to him. Don’t make it up to him.
Every time I encounter the “don’t vote” brigade, my first thought is that it’s a Russian or Chinese troll trying to get Trump elected again.
My second thought, which is a bit more nuanced, is some introspection on what Biden is actually doing. He has three options with regards to Israel, none of them good.
- He could deny them weapons, which would inevitably lead to outright war with Iran and an increase in Russian influence in the region, as well as a loss of an ally.
- He could fully commit to Netanyahu’s madness (i.e., what Trump wants to do), fully empowering genocide while using no political leverage on Israel. This would also ultimately lead to broad regional warfare, which will also likely increase Russian influence in the region.
- He could try to limit the damage by imposing conditions on weapons sales and attempt to thread the needle, recognizing Hamas for the grotesque terrorist organization it is while using political pressure to prevent as much needless death of civilians as possible. This is what Biden is trying to do.
I don’t know that Biden is doing a very good job with #3, but #1 would be a catastrophe, and #2 is what Trump wants.
This is a shitty situation in every conceivable way. Our ally, Israel, is currently being run by a corrupt and genocidal freak. There are no good answers to a situation like that beyond Israel coming to its senses and throwing Netanyahu in prison. But there are plenty of really bad answers, and Trump would be the worst.
He could deny them weapons, which would inevitably lead to outright war with Iran and an increase in Russian influence in the region
Why?
He could fully commit to Netanyahu’s madness (i.e., what Trump wants to do), fully empowering genocide while using no political leverage on Israel.
Biden is doing this - he is threatening the ICC and ICJ
He could try to limit the damage by imposing conditions on weapons sales and attempt to thread the needle, recognizing Hamas for the grotesque terrorist organization it is while using political pressure to prevent as much needless death of civilians as possible. This is what Biden is trying to do.
Biden is not doing this. We have not stopped weapon shipments and have clearly been unable (more like unwilling) to stop or prevent Israel’s genocide
Also, Israel is not our ally. Their geopolitical interests align with Putin. Which is why they are trying to get Trump elected so that they can destroy the remnants of the “rules based international order” and begin in earnest their conquest of Greater Israel
Why?
Because Iran is a Russian ally and Russian proxy.
Biden is doing this - he is threatening the ICC and ICJ
No, he isn’t. Where in the world are you getting the idea that he’s literally “threatening” either?
Biden is not doing this. We have not stopped weapon shipments and have clearly been unable (more like unwilling) to stop or prevent Israel’s genocide
Dude, we temporarily halted shipments earlier this month to put pressure on Netanyahu. Were you sleeping?
Also, Israel is not our ally. Their geopolitical interests align with Putin. Which is why they are trying to get Trump elected so that they can destroy the remnants of the “rules based international order” and begin in earnest their conquest of Greater Israel
Netanyahu’s interests may align with Putin, but only insofar as both seem hell-bent on destabilizing the region. Putin would gladly let Iran stroll right into Israel and slaughter everyone in it. Israel’s own actual interests do not remotely align with Putin’s.
Because Iran is a Russian ally and Russian proxy.
Yes, but why does that mean stopping US weapons shipments to Israel would cause Iran to invade/attack/etc? Israel has a huge weapons stockpile and is still a Western ally - they just happen to be committing genocide with American funds and bombs.
Where in the world are you getting the idea that he’s literally “threatening” either?
https://www.ft.com/content/6700a246-e0cd-49d8-b5ef-d2379e86290f
“The administration of President Joe Biden will work with Congress on possible sanctions against the International Criminal Court after its prosecutor announced it was seeking arrest warrants for senior Israeli and Hamas officials, US secretary of state Antony Blinken said on Tuesday.”
we temporarily halted shipments earlier this month to put pressure on Netanyahu
We resumed those shipments and funds, and Israel has since crossed Biden’s red line and attacked Rafah
Netanyahu’s interests may align with Putin
Netanyahu/Likud are dictators who control Israel. Until he/they are removed, their interests are Israel’s interests. Which means that Israel is a Russian asset with a stranglehold on American funds thanks to AIPAC
I’d just like to remind you folks the headline you’re debating under:
Nikki Haley writes ‘finish them’ on IDF artillery shells during Israel visit
I’m gonna vote for Biden if I have to rise from the dead and crawl through broken glass to do so, and I hope everyone reading this thread does.
I’m not willing to pretend he’s not facilitating an ongoing genocide though.
Who makes you pretend that? You guys all want a medal for preaching to the choir?
The Democratic party expects their members to pretend that what’s happening in Gaza is not a genocide. They censured Rep Tlaib for saying so in Congress.
Reported as election interference
So what you’re saying is that you’re a-okay with fascism and genocide, provided it wears a blue jersey?
I don’t think anyone is saying that. You’re just arguing in bad faith.
I see a whole lot of excuses flying form Democrats to try and distract from the fact that they’re voting for Genocide Joe in November.
This thread is littered with them.
What a cunt
FYI: Most of those braindead “am I not allowed to criticize Biden???” comments and posts on social media are a concerted effort by right-wingers from /pol and other such sewers, trying to get people to not vote against Trump. Don’t fall for it. These aren’t “lefties” or “tankies”. Just downvote, report, and ignore.
Why are they wasting effort on like 200 leftist techies? They could get a lot more bang for their buck on Facebook.
They are on all social media platforms.
They have plenty of automated bots there too
Lemmy is fucking FULL of them. Every other post is some Israel / Genocide Joe bullshit.
If you didn’t know any better you’d think Joe is literally flying a bomber over Gaza right now.
It’s getting tiresome even down voting this crap.
Yeah, honestly it makes me wonder if Lemmy is also already over.
Maybe they’re involved, but a much bigger player pushing that line of reasoning is the Kremlin. They want to get Trump elected again so he cuts aid to Ukraine.
And work to undermine NATO.
Plus, there’s 4 years of new Top Secret info for Trump to turn over to Putin.
Democrats not doing all the faschie shit they claim to be saving us from challenge level impossible.
Don’t like Joe? You’re a bot. Have a laundry list of gripes about Joe? Nope you’re a single issue voter whining about a single racial cleansing like a baby.
Blue MAGA out here working overtime blaming the left for any and every Democratic loss, claim to hate Republicans but will hand an election to them every 4 years before they concede even an inch to the left instead of sprinting right to “court voters” that were NEVER going to vote with them.
Awww poor guy
That kind of propaganda is very common now so it makes sense that people have their guards up.
Why WHY would Joe Biden sign off on providing Nikki Haley with PERMANENT MARKERS!
These are the people that are going to be ruling America soon.
That’ll happen when you give Democrats the presidency and a majority in Congress and all they do with it is issue blank checks for war instead of addressing the needs of the poor and working class.
It’s a replay of 2016, when Hillary (and Obama before her) ignored the Rust Belt and it lost her the presidency.
Failed Republican presidential nominees writing on artillery shells is the result of Democrats in the White House and Congress? Interesting.
No.
The bombs are the result of Democrats in the White House and Congress, seeing as how they’re the ones in power and they support arming a genocidal apartheid. What people write on them isn’t of any real consequence to me. I’m angry about the fact that we’re still sending them weapons.
Oh you’re saying the Republicans in power don’t agree with providing weapons to Israel?
Why is it that you’ve never once said anything critical of anything from the right? I’d love an answer if you’re able.
Because even on a post that’s specifically critical of the right, you do nothing but bring up Biden. That’s VERY curious.
