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One of them tows 12000 and can get on the highway and not die. The other has a payload capacity of 1500lbs.
What a dumb comparison. I own a Kei.
Except the people who own the monster trucks never carry more than 1500 lbs and rarely take it on the highway.
Except the people who own the monster trucks never carry more than 1500 lbs and rarely take it on the highway.
All of them? Like every single one?
Clearly there was some sort of global survey we aren’t privy to.
A little off the topic, but sometimes I wonder if driving a rally car with a cage, 5 point seatbelts and a helmet will be more safe on a highway. Like it seems to me that it is safer, but will it actually be?
It would be better able to handle a severe crash, but pretty inconvenient and pointless.
You can put a full and spec cage, bucket seats, and a 5 point harness in any car. You don’t need to go full racecar and take the interior out. You would need to wear a helmet, Hans device, and the full 5-point every time you drive the car because an otherwise survivable accident could kill you. You would also probably want a fire suppression system because a fire in a damaged car may not be escapable after you get hit without help.
You would be giving up airbags and visibility. Airbags can save you as much as a cage could. Visibility could prevent the accident in the first place. The cage and whatnot wouldn’t save you from a catastrophic wreck, but a serious accident would be more survivable.
You might as well just not drive on the highway or don’t get in a car at all if you are so concerned about your safety. Don’t want a baby, use protection. Terrified about having a baby and don’t think that protection is adequate, get sterilized or don’t fuck.
It’d be safer, but it wouldn’t be very comfortable. Rally cars have very barebones interiors to cut down on weight. You’d also need different tires and tuning.
You might be shocked to know that fitting a family of four plus vacation gear quickly approaches 1.5k.
Payload capacity includes how much people weigh. It’s not just how much you can throw in the bed.
That’s either a very heavy family or a lot of vacation gear! You would need all 4 people to be around 300lbs to start getting close.
It’s america, so it’s not impossible
👌👍
Almost none of you have the slightest clue what you’re blathering about.
One of them is a tool, another one is driven by a tool.
is driven by a fool.
Erin O’Toole nods in agreement
The comparison is kinda unfair. The big truck has a wider bed, bigger tires and more power. It also seats more people. So it is able to get more load through more difficult terrain. However we can be quite sure it won’t be used in that way.
Yeah.
Sure, most people with a big truck don’t need one.
That said, the capabilities of the bigger truck far exceed that of the Suzuki.
The majority of trucks i see are driven by a guy in a perfectly clean dress shirt, carries a fancy bag for papers and they work an office job. Their justification is often something along a couple potholes on their rural road just outside of town (so they dont have to pay as much property taxes to fit potholes). They moved a fridge once for their kid 5 years ago so that paid for the truck in their mind.
The majority of these things are ego boosts. Hence why they tailgate, rollcoal, have loud exhausts and can be covered in sexist/racist/religious stickers. Its all about look at me for most of these trucks.
Amazing.
I’m not defending any of these people.
My point is, the two vehicles pictured have dramatically different capabilities.
How did society even function without these big ass trucks. They are so capable and essenti.
I have yet to see a big truck carrying more than a ton of things, and I’m near home depot often. These trucks are capable of 800lb which should be fine for most people. I’d love a vehicle where if I found something I liked I could pick it up while still being a viable economical daily driver.
Do you live in an urban area?
I did say most people don’t need one.
Lol that almost done like a chindogu ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chindōgu )
I’ve never seen one with wear and tear and/or dirt that would indicate difficult terrain. Those only leave the city in advertisements.
Are you around forestry, oil drilling, or similar sites? Obv most are fleet stock simple (with decent tires), but the 4 door, white truck with a V8 is ubiquitous when you need 4 grouchy dudes to effectively live out of it for a whole day, plus all their equipment and food. It’s hilarious how much shit these trucks hold and get anywhere with a 2 track
That truck isn’t this truck though. That truck is dirty, dinged and always in use. The part of this truck that gets used the most is the entertainment system.
Well of course not this one with all the candy. But same frame, same class of engine, same door configuration, etc.
There’s a few in the country around here. The ones with dirt on them are almost exclusively the Toyota Hilux, though
up to but not including 7th gen hilux is more in line with what I would consider a reasonable truck design. I’d give them a pass before 2004 or so. The bulbous round ones, if people actually use them off the streets then it probably won’t offend me to see them on the road but personally I’d just have a small car for day to day and only use the truck for what I bought it for, storage insurance when I don’t need it. I’m still too scared of having my bike stolen to commit to no car it turns out. Some places are just too sketchy.
that only happens when actual working people buy it used, maybe a decade down the line, to do actual work.
A lot of people wash them shortly after going off road to avoid rust and corrosion.
unless the owner does a full handwash, clay, compound, and wax every time, there is no way the trucks I’m seeing in my region are washed off road vehicles.
The tonneau cover is usually there because A) they do mostly highway mikes and want the improved mileage resulting from reduced drag, and B) they rarely use the bed, as those covers are a PITA unless you only remove it once in a great while.
I live in Central America where its mostly little trucks owned by workers, and they often drive on mud roads and hard terrain. The only people with trucks like the black one in the picture are US expats with …particular political leanings.
Nearly every tonneau cover folds or rolls up. Outright removal is a pain, but using the bed isn’t.
The factory standard cover rolls up in about 30 seconds.
My brother in law has a truck like the one on the right. That backseat area is huge. You could stop and have a picnic back there during a road trip.
I can’t imagine owing it. It looks dumb to me and it’s far too big for normal use. But he’s a cross country hauler, so it’s not a big truck to him.
And they have three kids, so I doubt he gives af about pp showmanship.
The only thing I can say in favor of the one on the right is carrying capacity (weight). I associate with equestrians, and hauling a horse (1000-1500 lbs each) in a trailer (4-13k lbs, depending) (I know the truck isn’t holding it all, but it has to pull and stop it). The truck needs the engine power and torque to do that, while at the same time have enough weight and tire contact to stop with all that extra weight.
Working construction type things, and picking up builder materials? Hands down the one on the left. Hauling anything beyond the bed of the truck? Absolutely the one on the right.
In Europe we just haul trailers (even horse trailers) with normal cars, of course with a stronger engine for special uses like horses but even a VW Golf is allowed to pull up to 1800 kg (= can pull a bit more than that).
I bet most US-americans with a truck aren’t even using their truck bed often - likely rarely enough for a normal car + trailer to be way more practical - and also much more efficient, but ig efficiency barely matters with your fuel prices. To stick with the VW Golf example: a modern VW Golf needs 4/4.5/5 l per 100 km (city/combined/highway), a ford F-150 needs 10.7/12.4/14.7 l per 100 km.
Yeah 100% most people with trucks are for vanity. It makes them feel cool. It’s also a status symbol, because right now the price of trucks like that start at $70k. We have an O2 model Ford f350, and if we wanted to replace it with an “equivalent” model of this year we’d be out $95k.
We use our truck almost 100% for hauling horses. I occasionally have to drive it just to the doctor or something because my wife usually has the car at work. (I work from home).
Honestly, the price and overall size of these trucks is insane, and it bugs us to no end. The only reason the price is this high is because the manufacturers know these idiots need to show their “status”.
300 lb tongue weight on that golf. One horse in a one horse trailer is really fucking pushing it, 4 is out of the question
Interesting, I knew you guys used those can things with the horse right behind you, or the smaller trailers which are lighter. I didn’t know you got upgraded motors. Do you also get bigger tires and brakes with that upgrade?
Something very few people think to consider here isn’t whether or not you can pull the thing, but whether or not they can stop it.
Each car has a maximum towing capacity (which is limited by a few factors, including brakes). If you often tow things upwards you’ll want a bigger motor to still accelerate in a reasonable time (I subconsciously assumed that everyone is towing things upwards because I live in a mountainous region, but I guess people from flat areas won’t tow things upwards). Downwards should be fine either way if you’re not exceeding your car’s maximum towing capacity, the criteria are strict enough for that.
And we don’t upgrade our motors but rather simply buy a stronger car. That typically also comes with better brakes, yes.
That said a quick Google search returns 500-600 kg for average horse weight and 600 kg for usual horse trailer weight. This means a VW Golf or similar will be able to tow a horse with no problems.
A lot of people who buy trucks these days just need something that can tow a travel trailer or a boat to their favorite camp site a few times a year. It’s not that they need a truck on a day to day basis, but they might need the towing capability on occasion. That’s why these trucks are a weird combination of luxury sedan (with their leather seats and high end interiors) and pickup truck. Most of the time they use it like a regular car, but sometimes they might need the towing capability.
Literally planning to buy a truck for when I need it and I’d still make it a daily driver if needed.
Pff my fckn subi can do that and fit in a standard car park
Your Subi wouldn’t be able to pull some of these American travel trailers. Many of them are absolutely massive, they’re like a luxury condo on wheels.
We have no sense of reasonable proportion here in the US. Everything must be unnecessarily large and unwieldy, gaudy and exorbitant. Bigger is always better here in the good 'ol US of A.
some of these American travel trailers
Can’t forget the boat! For reference, while this isn’t typical, it’s not uncommon. That’s a pretty small travel trailer and boat. I’ve seen this setup with much bigger trailers and boats several times.
Excess pleases Slaanesh
If it’s a “few times a year” situation that really seems better suited to renting.
Rental companies, at least in America, have policies against using their vehicles to tow things.
In addition the truck in front has to be imported to the US and there’s weird regulations about purchasing them so you can only buy used. As far as I know you can’t import a new model. If a car is newer than 25 years old it can not be imported unless it meets the requirements of US Office of Vehicle Safety Compliance.
https://www.nhtsa.gov/importing-vehicle/importation-and-certification-faqs
These all sound like regulatory, issues. Nothing that can’t be fixed with a minimal amount of political goodwill.
I think it is regulatory. However getting US politicians to do what’s right is never trivial. It would take the legislative branch to change the regulations, while likely ignoring lobbyists within the automotive industry. It’s fixable but it won’t be fixed.
Michigan is an important swing state, and the UAW is a major political player nationally. Ironically, that doesn’t stop the US automakers from routinely screwing over auto workers and labor in general.
Part of the issue there is that for a large number of people the ‘few times a year’ are major holidays when everybody else wants to tow their house-sized RV and boat to the lake for a day or two. The rental fleet just isn’t big enough to service the surge demand.
Or maybe they’ve got the money
Same passenger and tow capacity too
Not trying to defend the big truck, but you can fit 5 people in the little one?
My guess is 3-4?
That little one is a two-person truck IF they left the second seat in.
Well we are talking about maximum right? Cram em in there! Although that does make the big truck a 10 seater.
Wat.
Yeah… good luck with that tiny ass truck. lmao
Wow been a while since I seen a troll this obvious.
Troll?
You have people commenting lol that you can fit 3-4 people into that tiny 3rd world truck. Literally rationalizing the ownership of a midget vs a full sized American pick up truck.
But I’m the troll. Ok. HAHA.
Japan is a 3rd world country now?
I think the “tiny” vehicle is mostly meant for worksites and small roads whereas the modern pickup truck is meant to subvert the EPA’s definition of road class vehicle so that the company can produce less Eco-friendly vehicles to generate larger profit margins. Everything else is just the marketing working on middle America and the massive cope that comes with justifying that investment.
Didn’t a German company - Stellantis buy the big three in order to force the car makers to go EV?
Stellantis
Stellantis is an Italian company, owner of FIAT, Chrysler and Peugeot, and they have no intention of doing EVs, they’d rather continue with the ICE cars they’re already building profitably. Accountants do not like change to production lines.
And how they would force all American car makers to go EV, anyway? That doesn’t make sense.
The Ram REV is due out before the end of the year. Stellantis has also committed to an electric sports car to replace the Challenger/Charger line. They has axed the hemi line in favor of a more economical i-6. Ford and GM are doing fairly well in the ev market. The main hold-up here in the states is infrastructure and price. I have hopes that both situations will be addresses in the next 4 years or so. While I don’t expect the situation to be perfect in that time, progress is progress.
You know work trucks in the US used to be much smaller until companies started making them bigger so they could skirt emission and safety regulations right?
No no, OP, you see, how will I transport four fully grown corn-fed american patriots around?
A normal car?
No, I need to transport these four fully grown corn-fed american patriots while also transporting a bunch of material that I can’t have in the cab of my car.
A trailer?
Don’t be ridiculous, it’s too heavy, a normal car couldn’t tow that.
A slightly better car?
No, that’s insane, it’s much too heavy, and besides, I need to transport three metric tons of stuff, all outside of my vehicle, which means I need a trailer and I can’t keep any of it in the back of my normal car.
A beefy cargo van, with a covered cabin, and a divider?
No, see, you simply don’t understand, all my loads need to be uncovered. I’m transporting, uhh, loose gasoline? Not in a barrel, just loose in the bed, and 400 2x4s, and, uhh, gravel. I don’t want a semi, because you need to be licensed for that and I would rather pay more to have a personal vehicle which is capable of all of this at once rather than pay for a delivery. I also need good ground clearance, because I’m going into the unpaved american wilderness with these large uncovered loads. I’m not antisocial, I just need to transport this to my off grid homesteading compound in the middle of nowhere, with my four platonic corn-fed american patriot roommates, or my fifteen sons and daughters which I’ve already pledged to my friends’ other fifteen sons and daughters. How do I pay for all this? It’s all super cheap, I swear, I’m just an honest normal rural farmer, and I work a normal job as a military defense contractor, or running IT for some wing of some megacorporation, or maybe I just have inherited money. Everyone wants to be me, but I’m the only person who’s allowed to use this truck and say it’s totally acceptable because this is a totally legitimate use and I’m just exercising my normal freedoms.
This is all normal, and fine.
fuck both of them anyway
I mean I’m all for hating cars, but why the small one? That one seems reasonable at least.
Like it or not, some kind of truck or work vehicle will have to exist for landacapers and such. Id much rather see the smaller truck everywhere than the larger. The streets would be safer for anyone not in a metal box.
Yes exactly.
But only one of these vehicles makes you feel like a big boy.
ironically when i’m on my bike on a raised bike path next to a road i feel more powerful than people in cars, simply because my head is significantly above them. Also helps that i’m almost standing up, whilst people in a car are generally somewhat reclined.
When you can barely fit into vehicle, it makes you feel giant.
The one on the left is used by people who need to carry things. The one of the right is used by losers.
What about people who need extra room for a child’s car seat (they’re huge nowadays) and also need to carry stuff the way a truck does?
You live out in the country, you clearly didn’t grow up in the country.
I grew up in the country, we had a truck with a full sized bed and a bench. You put the baby seat in the middle of the bench, strap it down like you do in the car and a lap belt and you pick up your chicken feed with your kid in the car. Ain’t rocket science here.
Shit dude, if you’re worried about scratches to your vehicle, maybe you should move back to the suburbs.
This still doesn’t matter make sense. Lots of people have multiple kids and/or a spouse. Manufacturing more vehicles just to please your ego is not the economical or environmentally friendly thing to do.
This doesn’t make any sense. You live out in the country, you’re probably going to need a truck. You aren’t going to haul horse shit, lime, a crap ton of chicken feed, or water for your cistern in a car or even a SUV. But you should be buying a vehicle that actually fits the work being done and if it’s a small truck then buy a small truck and not giant penis extender with no ability to haul a damn thing.
if it’s a small truck then buy a small truck and not giant penis extender with no ability to haul a damn thing.
Ok, so is this whole discussion a misunderstanding?
I’m saying “there are valid uses for a truck” and (from what I thought) everyone else is saying “all trucks are bad, you don’t need a truck”.
But now you’re saying that the discussion is explicitly the exact truck that’s in the photo and small trucks are ok? Is that what you’re saying?
Could be. I’m not in the camp of all cars are bad.
The whole discussion about the, in my opinion, worthless truck in the picture and when you state you have a car seat without clarification about a ute or a compact truck, then it’s assumed you’re talking about the need for one of those dumb things that all suburbanites seem to want and buy.
And I’m not saying that just blanket small truck ownership is okay either, I’m of the opinion you should buy the car that fits what you need and wish we had a society and cities that could get me to not even driving day to day. So to me even a guy that lives in a small town only to drives to and from work only and never hauls a thing still doesn’t need a small truck that gets crappy gas mileage.
But I don’t have a truck.
if you’re worried about scratches to your vehicle,
I said “mess up the interior” with “leaky garage bags”. But yes, the inside is scuffed also.
maybe you should move back to the suburbs.
Thanks for gatekeeping where I live, you clearly know everything about me.
WTF do you expect when you post anonymously about “needing” a gigantic truck with a extended cab and a tiny worthless truck bed because you have a kid in a car seat and don’t have the sense to know that if you actually grew up in the country, you’d damn well know you can strap in a car set in on a truck bench.
And here’s another judgement, it’s a pretty piss poor excuse for trying to justify “needing” once again a huge, wasteful, dumb short bed truck because you have a car seat and have a want to haul a few bags of trash. Ever heard of double bagging? Or a trailer? Or if you did grow up in the country, a burn barrel?
You’re right that I don’t know everything about you, I only know what you share on a anonymous social media board, and what I have read so far, you sure do sound like one of those suburban transplants wasting good farmland.
do you expect when you post anonymously about “needing” a gigantic truck with a extended cab
I never said “need” once.
Ever heard of double bagging?
Cause THAT’S environmentally friendly.
Or a trailer?
A bunch of assumptions there.
a burn barrel?
LMAO, that’d be a helluva fast way to get fined around here. I’m in the “country”, but it’s not in the middle of nowhere. It’s a neighborhood built just a bit out from a small town of 5000 people. It’s “country”, but kind of isn’t at the same time. I have to register with the county each time I want to have a fire in the fire pit. And burning garbage is a fast way to get in crap. And not to mention monumentally stupid.
Pretty sad that you feel you have to put so much effort and so many words to justify why you shouldn’t be a suburbanite like you should be.
I mostly agree with the fact that most people who have pickup trucks don’t actually need them.
That being said, the only thing sad in this comment section is how much energy you are wasting to gatekeep this one person’s ‘countryness’, just because they posted a random comment.
What are you carrying around all day with your child that doesn’t fit in a minivan?
Or just a regular car
seriously, americans are fucking delusional with what the requirements of life are, 90% of the rest of the world does just fine with regular-sized cars.
But where will I put my fridge when I move every 3 years for my job?🥺
I live out in the country. We don’t get garbage pickup. The garbage dump is very close to my child’s daycare. It’s 20 minutes away. It’s open from 8am to 4:30pm, Monday to Friday. I either bring the garbage with me when I go to daycare, or I have to schedule time off from work to take out garbage.
I have a Ford Edge, so no, a minivan wouldn’t work. To be clear, it’s not impossible. But a truck would be 10x more convenient.
And a flat trailer for your Ford would be even more convenient
how much garbage do you produce on a daily basis that you need a truck to haul it hoo lee
How size of your truck is compared to Lada Granta? Because my grandparents drove it with driver + 3 adults + child me + stuff including garbage from dacha.
Well, for one, I don’t have a truck. Too expensive.
Second, child care seats in North America were revised recently to be larger so that they can protect children better.
To put it in context, putting a child seat in my 2013 Jetta makes it so that the front passenger can barely fit. Anyone over 5’ 6" has to srunch their legs to fit.
The Jetta claim is weird because I fit a 6’ adult comfortably in the passenger seat of my GTI with the car seat in the back.
How big is your car seat?
I don’t know the exact dimensions, but it’s big enough that I actually had to get rid of my 2015 golf because the front passenger seat became unusable. And I’m not exaggerating. The car seat barely fit with the front seat pushed all the way forward and leaned forward past vertical.
I know this is a common complaint with parents in the past few years in Canada. I don’t know if child car seat regulations are different at all in the US. I don’t think they are, I’m just not sure.
Thats a reasonable use case for a truck. The majority of hate I have for trucks are for more city based people who claim they totally need it when they maybe move something 2-3 times a year.
That said, a small trailer could probably handle your garbage behind an SUV or capable car. Although it would still require more parking than the truck so the benefits overall are arguable.
This obviously varies based on where you live, but using a trailer where I’m at incurs a ton of extra costs: *Landfill charges extra when using a trailer to bring your trash. *Tollway charges extra for the trailer *State charges annual property tax on the trailer Granted, I have an ‘04 regular cab Chevy Colorado (before they started making them as huge as half tons of years past), but I’m dreading the day it dies. There are no small pickups available anymore (Santa Few and Maverick’s 4.5’ bed is worthless for my use case).
I think this argument is a losing battle on this community. It’s clear there is no room for nuance or reason.
You could do what you want for cheaper, and with less impact on the environment. Thats a fact. Thats where you are finding dispute.
A trailer isn’t out of the question, it just adds a whole new level of inconvenience. It’s extra time to move the car, hook up the trailer, verify the electrical is working (I always check left-right-breaks-4way whenever I connect a trailer), then parking the trailer, disconnecting it, then parking the car. I know it doesn’t sound like much, but that time quickly adds up, and it can get 35+ in the summers and -30 in the winters (Celsius). When getting the kid ready to leave for daycare it’s easier to load up in the relatively comfortable garage. I know that’s a first world problem, but a truck would just simply all of that.
To be clear, I’m not getting a truck because they’re as expensive as a sports car now, but the point stands.
Yes you like the convenience of it. Noones saying they aren’t convenient. Its not only about your personal convenience, because cars affect everyone nearby.
Theres a reason they cost so much, and will continue to raise as the price gets closer to its actual cost to create and use one.
And I know you know this, because you ended the post saying that if you didnt have the truck now, you wouldn’t buy another one. Have you actually thought this through or is it just some automatic cognitive dissonance reaction from owning a truck?
you ended the post saying that if you didnt have the truck now, you wouldn’t buy another one
Have you actually thought this through or is it just some automatic cognitive dissonance reaction from owning a truck?
I think it has more to do with your reading comprehension and thinking I said anywhere that I own a truck.
How’d they get someone pregnant with that medically diagnosed micropenis?
Wow you’re soooo cool. I bet everyone is always really happy when you talk
Sounds like I hit a sensitive spot in a way big truck guy only wishes he could.
You could have made fun of them without bodyshaming
Be better
Least fragile truckist
Yes cause body shaming is OK as long as it’s making fun of people you don’t like. Let’s call the guy a fag also
My guy you are the only one dropping slurs here.
If micropenis (something people are born with and can’t change even if they wanted to because of ridicule) isn’t a slur than neither is fag (something people are born with and can’t change even if they wanted to because of ridicule)
Catch up
Lol. This isn’t an insult to me the way you want it to be.
Good. I wasn’t trying to insult you.
What is “carrying stuff the way a truck does”? No offense, I really do not understand
Well, I can’t shove drywall, leaking smelly garbage, construction scrap, etc into a Ford Edge without seriously messing up the inside. So that kind of way.
Why would you need to shove it IN car, when you can carry it ON car?
What an absolutely bonkers suggestion. Do you legitimately think this solves the problem?
If someone actually did this, strapped drywall, leaking garbage bags, and other random garbage on top of their vehicle, there would be a post on here so fucking fast calling the driver a moron.
To get a roof rack installed on my car would be over $1000. I checked.
would be over $1000.
How?
on my car
Although maybe your car doesn’t have rack mounts from factory. For lada it’s about 20€ and tightening few bolts.
You can’t make this argument while also stating in other comments that a truck is too expensive.
I’m not arguing that. You have a fair point.
But my argument about a use case for a truck isn’t about MY truck (I don’t have one), it was merely about the valid use for owning a truck.
I’m getting by right now by wrecking the inside of my car (it’s already done). I looked at getting a roof rack, but the quote I got was around $1400. But that only would help with getting new drywall. Not broken up garbage drywall, and wouldn’t help with bags of garbage.
Left one carries stuff, right one carries fragile egoes
But one of these is actually using their truck bed.
Easy: the one on the right is compensating for mini pp
I’m gonna need two of those
Your mom lets you have 2 mini pp’s to compensate for?
Double negative, mega pp
Functional design is the only proper design.
