Telegram is no longer safe for piracy.
I bet they will start kicking out piracy channels in few weeks.
I am going to delete my account now as it will become useless soon anyway.
They have bigger issues than piracy, e.g. csam, malware, and other criminal activity. But the age of no moderation whatsoever is over it seems.
Yeah csam can go away. Everything else can stay though (although it won’t.)
Fuck this is exactly what I was worried about when the arrest happened
Telegram published a statement on X/Twitter that they are not changing any policy. The just removed misleading line in their FAQ, that stated that you can’t report private chats (which you always could).
Cool. So a huge nothing burger and grossly misleading title. Good job OP!
Telegram adds option to let users report content on app two weeks after CEO Pavel Durov’s arrest After almost 2 weeks of CEO Pavel Durov’s arrest, Telegram will start moderating private chats as well.
this all seem confusing, there’s no such thing as “private” chats on Telegram, only secret chats which are E2EE, well even their encrypting is questionable
what are other options?
For easy piracy like telegram? None
there are many solutions, but they should stay hard to find
Matrix. It can be self hosted, federated, and has encrypted chat rooms.
Hmm, sounds like the P2P version has been paused for the forseeable future:
https://arewep2pyet.com
https://matrix.org/blog/2020/06/02/introducing-p2p-matrix
https://matrix.org/blog/2023/09/matrix-2-0Matrix is great and works great.
Element is a semi abandoned client that happened to come from some of the makers of matrix.
Use literally anything else. Fluffychat works for me. Element is okay for debugging sometimes so I keep it handy.
But the commenters point stands. In matrix, you can send whatever you like, as illegal or morally corrupt as you wish because its nobody‘s fucking business AND e2ee.
If someone on my server sends csam, I would never know unless someone reported it to me. Because thats how privacy works.
it wasn’t abandoned, they are developing an overhaul with a more efficient sync API that required them to rethink how it works internally
The new Element X is really great, but only available for iOS and Android. Unfortunately no desktop or web version.
I tried a Piracy group in Matrix and there was less than 100 users…and the only active poster was a bot (or honeypot) advertising explicit CSAM related telegram groups for purchase… just looking at the words made a pit in my stomach
That’s the double edged sword with no moderation abilities
there are moderation abilities, but instead of all-seeing global moderators it must be done by the little poor room owner, and the mods they have granted permission.
if the existing owner/mods don’t do that, and disgusting content starts appearing in the room, that means they probably aren’t active anymore, and that it’s time to make a new room with the still active members before something even more damaging happens, like an uncontrollable high volume spammer, at which point you won’t be able to tell the others that you have made a new room.
SimpleX chat.
