Ahead of the European election, striking data shows where Gen Z and millennials’ allegiances lie.
Far-right parties are surging across Europe — and young voters are buying in.
Many parties with anti-immigrant agendas are even seeing support from first-time young voters in the upcoming June 6-9 European Parliament election.
In Belgium, France, Portugal, Germany and Finland, younger voters are backing anti-immigration and anti-establishment parties in numbers equal to and even exceeding older voters, analyses of recent elections and research of young people’s political preferences suggest.
In the Netherlands, Geert Wilders’ anti-immigration far-right Freedom Party won the 2023 election on a campaign that tied affordable housing to restrictions on immigration — a focus that struck a chord with young voters. In Portugal, too, the far-right party Chega, which means “enough” in Portuguese, drew on young people’s frustration with the housing crisis, among other quality-of-life concerns.
The analysis also points to a split: While young women often reported support for the Greens and other left-leaning parties, anti-migration parties did particularly well among young men. (Though there are some exceptions. See France, below, for example.)
People are losing faith with the failing status quo, so some are (incorrectly) adopting a highly reactionary position to cling to what they percieved has been lost, rather than progressing along to Socialism.
This is a consequence of the long term failings of Capitalism, coupled with weak leftist movements and a lack of general theory-reading.
Look, socialism never fucking works. Far-right governments, while unpleasant, do.
This is like saying a meatgrinder is a good place to live because it works
Yes I already said it was unpleasant yet effective. You felt the need to repeat it for some reason
Because that’s a bullshit take. Effective at what exactly? Oppressing people? Killing minorities? Certainly not effective at making people’s lives better, unless you are part of the ruling class.
Yeah so you’re having an ideological discussion while I’m having a historical one. However, fascism does tend to make the general populations lives better than the average under socialism. Either way you can’t speak all that freely but less likely to starve than under communism.
(You’re ignoring how good socialist governments were at offing minorities and undesirables for “the common good”. Fuck man, socialism is like fascism on steroids)
Ah, I see, you’re one of them.
You lost the war; it wasn’t close. No, they don’t.
One of what? Person not fucking delusional? Just look at all those successful communist countries
Yeah, communism hasn’t worked impressively either. I’d still prefer them over the Nazis, especially as a Jew.
Not OP, to be clear, I got here through your post history because I wanted to check why criticising fascists made you so defensive.
Mostly the bullshit and lies, not the criticizing fascists part.
Why do you say Socialism doesn’t work? Why do you say far-right governments do? Is it vibes?
General knowledge of the last 150 years world history.
What part of that general knowledge of the last 150 years of world history says that worker ownership doesn’t work, and that fascism does?
A socialized capitalism will always be coopted by the ones with more money in pursuit of even more money.
What is a “Socialized Capitalism?”
I suspect they mean capitalism with a light sprinkle of social safety nets.
I’m not surprised by the male/female gap. The past decade, young men have been told that white men are the worst thing to be. The left has not provided any role models for young men.
The right has many.
As a white dude I don’t feel like this at all. There are plenty of outspoken progressive men all over popular media, and at every level of society. It only feels this way because progressive messaging asks men to do a lot more soul searching, while conservative messaging is effectively information warfare designed to validate low effort biases and reinforce historical power structures.
Most of the progressive role models I see for straight white men focus on uplifting minorities and the disenfranchised. When it’s not done to white knight or virtue signal, that’s awesome. But it misses a crucial part of what a role model should be. Someone who understands your struggles and promotes self love and empathy. And encourages you to stick up for yourself. Secure your mask before helping others.
But when these men talk about their struggles they’re branded as incels. If they say they’re proud of their heritage they’re branded as racist. If they try and do something about injustices they face they’re branded conservatives.
I don’t understand why you believe these messages about securing your own mask need to come from white men. What you are describing are universal issues of mental health and self esteem which have nothing to do with race or gender.
The fact that you immediately go to white knights and virtue signalling says a lot. Building an inclusive society isn’t a matter of charity, it makes us all stronger. When you exclude people, they will not help you. This is so fucking simple, children understand it.
progressive messaging sucks, that’s why. it says ‘go to therapy and be content with what little you have’
conservative messaging says ‘do this shit and you’ll get money and women’
Name 3
young men have been told that white men are the worst thing to be.
Ok, but try not being a man and see if people think that’s any better…
The right has many.
LOL…the right has one. As someone who is relatively a-political, I perceive much more pressure to “be a manly man” (whatever the fuck that is…I guess DRIVE TRUCK, EAT MEAT, FOOT EVERY BALL, LIFT EVERY WEIGHT, JESUS, NO MASK! NO VACCINE! and PUFF OUT CHEST) than I do to “not be a white man” but I guess I don’t spend all day in my basement worrying about what people with anime profile pictures are posting on Xitter, nor watch the big, angry puffed chest man underground truth news featuring screamy mc redface rant about it nightly…so I’m not as black pilled as you are.
The right has a fuckload, Jordan Peterson to Tate, Joe Rogan and Ben Shapiro and those are probably just the ones I’ve seen on the right as a lefty.
I could name a single left wing person that’s trying to teach men how to be good humans. Because as you said, men also suffer under the patriarchy.
Dude, a wide variety of entertainers and lots of other wildly successful people are loosely affiliated with the left.
They’re just too busy doing other stuff instead of screaming into a camera and uploading it on YouTube.
The people you listed aren’t even role models. They’re talking heads. They’re pundits. “The left” depending upon how you define “the left” has those too.
I must admit though that I misread the post I originally replied to. I thought he was talking about how “the right” has many archetypes or blueprints or something for being a man. It doesn’t. It has one stereotype and it wants everyone to be that. However, that’s a different discussion entirely so my apologies.
As a white dude I sometimes think our suicide rate is a good thing. The left will never reach out and the other side are fascists. White men is what people think of in the alt right, they own us no mater how we vote.
Odd take
How else would you describe it? because part of the problem is that it is absolutely true that white men gave us Trump so hatred to us is kind of justified. Hell, i grew up in a hick town and I have seen how hopeless it is for change in those groups its almost inherent. And all though they are way more reasonable then conservatives liberals still want to ignore that women and minorities vote republican too, in fact two of the most talked about GOP candidates in the primary was a woman and the son of an Indian immigrant. which is a problem, but its still nothing compared to the views of most republicans who think school shootings happen because some dude in a dress read a book to some kids. So yeah, suicide is easier.
Don’t you view some trouble in writing out
white men gave us Trump so hatred to us is kind of justified
Followed by
liberals still want to ignore that women and minorities vote republican too
So yeah, suicide is easier.
Clearly it’s not going to change the outcome, just those who get to play
I am talking about numbers though. If white men did not vote we would never see another GOP president. Becuase yeah women and minorities vote for them too, but its still a vast majority of white men.
You would have non-white conservatives running the GOP
Like those two you just mentioned
Substitute the token minority that they target for someone else if you want but it doesn’t make anything better
We can replace Christian nationalism with Hindu nationalism
Canada’s Conservative Party has promised mass immigration from India/fast tracking any that want to come here because they know they will vote for them. The same would happen with Republicans
Meanwhile our Liberal Party gets booed when they go to mosques because they are pro-gay. We had nationwide protests against gay/trans last summer organized by mosques. Even though the majority participating were your rural white people just because of our demographics
It’s like listening to a carnival mirror talk.
The KKK and Adolf Hitler were not known for their diversity hires.
They had Ernst Rohm
some younger people like me are not allowed to vote because of bipartisan policies and laws
quit blaming us for everybody refusing to vote better people in
not our fault y’all refuse to vote better
This is so frustrating to watch as an American. I spent much of my youth on the internet getting clowned on by Europeans for the consequences of my country’s hard right policies. The UK has been deservedly getting clowned on for the consequences of embracing the Tories. It beggars belief that the same people clowning on the US and UK would then turn around and say to themselves “yes, but it will be different for us, it will work for us, our situation really is different, you don’t understand”. No, it won’t be different. Pretty soon, you’re going to be following the path that the Tories set the UK on, marvelling at how dysfunctional your government is, and hearing about how the only solution is even more gibs to the people who are already the most economically advantaged and the private sector. Before you click reply, just consider that you guys deserve to get fucking dunked on, because you guys spent decades laughing at other countries for doing this shit just to say “hmmm… but what if sticking the fork in the electrical socket works out for me?” I’m honestly sad and disappointed for Europe, not least of all because after years of deservedly shitting on the US for being racist, all it took was one big wave of immigration for you guys to hold up blonde dumbasses with bad hair and worse ideas as the solution to all of your problems.
“Oh, great bozo of the European trailer park, what is your wisdom to save our culture from the immigrants?”
“Deregulate sewage plants. You will certainly not regret deregulating sewage plants.”
Enjoy your US-style healthcare system in a few years, I guess.
Unfortunately, American politics is so toxic, its infected nearly every country its come into contact with.
Understanably, american money and election interference is the reason European politics is becoming more americanised. For example, it was regan who radicalised thatcher. It was American and Russian dark money that funded vote leave (brexit). It was the CIA who funded far right groups all over Europe. Its American, far right Christian groups who try to lobby to take away reproductive freedom for women etc. etc.
America is empire now and no ones laughing anymore.
Those are quite some claims. Some I’ve never heard of.
You’ll have to excuse me for being skeptical.
I can understand that. I imagine the main cause is what you’ll find if you look into “operation gladio.”
That’s quite a stretch to blame America for the AfD.
Must suck living in a place with 450 million people none of which can think for themselves and instead are just vessels for the thoughts of other civilizations
Own up to your own crap if you want to fix it, or don’t own it and blame foreigners. See if I care.
Own up to your own crap if you want to fix it
They said, without a hint of irony.
Again, said without a hint of irony. Please get some self awareness before replying again. Youre taking the sport out of it.
Some of us are capable of holding all the contributing factors in their heads and not just ignore the ones they dont want to talk about. It doesn’t mean we don’t have our own problems but it also doesn’t mean that there isn’t another very serious problem at hand.
Hmm clearly I need to repeat myself with you.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque
Let me know if you need a primer on logical fallacies. I am sure I can find one for your level.
Clearly you think yourself far smarter than you are. Especially considering you can’t even see yourself fall foul of the fallacy you claim to see. As adorable as it is, I remember when I first found out about fallacies too, its a bit boring and it wouldn’t make me wrong either. That is if you bothered learning any of the other fallacies.
Let me help you, as you’re clearly struggling here: why is it that only the Europeans, in this instance, that have to own their crap? Why are we not allowed to consider any other contributing factors? How is me mentioning another factor, while not denying the problems at home, not owing it?
It doesn’t make sense does it?
You keep missing a few key words. American Corporations and Global Billionaires. Our politicians and far right think tanks have their marching orders. They aren’t the driving force themselves.
Its funny, no one insists on that correction, when it comes to the Roman or British empires.
I think it’s pretty clear the rich people fucked them up too. The working class isn’t chomping at the bit to go oppress people. The Royal Navy literally abducted sailors to keep it’s empire going, and Rome forced “barbarians” into the military to create a civil military divide that protected Italians from really feeling the cost. But then that system killed the Republic, and later the Western Roman Empire.
Workers want two things. To provide for their loved ones and to have a bit of time they can enjoy with their loved ones. The ideas of imperialism and especially radical conservatism have to be jammed down their throats from day 1 of school. That takes money and influence. You know who has money and influence?
It ain’t the people.
I agree completely and i respect you giving context. I hope you can understand, its not that common that people realise that.
Yeah. If we could get more people realizing that then maybe we could get representatives that are willing to hold the executive to account and not just play partisan games.
Europe has had so many far right groups throughout history and they haven’t gone anywhere. You can definitely think of a few in recent history, not even mentioning Russia. You can just dismiss this away as some foreign influence, this is a problem the world is facing and it’s a problem with me and you.
Trust me you don’t want a conservative government. They won’t fix the problem they’ll just seek to line their own pockets and then by doing so make everything worse.
This is not about conservatives, many of the countries listed here currently have or recently had conservative governments. The far right is a whole other level.
Imagine letting conservatives ruin your economy and thinking “I need a more extreme version of this.”
Propaganda is a hell of a drug…
Conservatives make the world worse, they get booted out and liberals fail to fix it, they get booted out and then people look for a “strong man” who can cut through red tape and fix things once and for all.
The far right embodies that third person. An extra bonus of a far right rule is the Overton window lurches so far to the right that the conservatives can pretend to be centrist and the liberals pretend to be left-wing.
Yeah to anyone honest about what’s happening, it looks more like liberals fuck everything up, conservatives half ass repair stuff to some degree, liberals get back in and fuck it up even worse, conservatives make more half assed repairs but are unwilling to do what needs to be done because of liberal feel good fake altruism bullshit self serving sentiment. That’s when the nasty fuckers of the far right start getting support of the young.
Whereas my perspective is that conservatives fuck things up then it swings left(ish) who can’t deliver recover enough before the conservatives get to fuck stuff up again while the media is heavily favouring the conservatives (fueling your narrative) and on the cycle goes. So the back and forth and left creeping to the middle (where they see success) leaves the far right as an alternative - and current rhetoric makes it less of an acceptable outlier.
Yeah that’s your perspective, bur it’s fantasy. Numbers dont lie but liberals do.
To the surprise of no one. This is the result of neolibs that keep electing “moderates” which never fix any issues.
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In the EU.
In America, it’s starkly divided by generational lines, with the remainder being down to race, education, wealth and urbanness, which actually makes me think what’s going on in Europe is a somewhat unrelated phenomenon.
In America, it’s starkly divided by generational lines,
Not as much as the “lol boomers” crowd would have you believe.
There’s a lot more <50 at Trump’s rallies than >60.
Same with the Jan6 traitors. Lots of them were <40
Jan 6 guys are nothing like a representative sample. Trailer park grandpa couldn’t show up to that for multiple reasons. Even then, I’d guess a median age of 45 just based on the videos. The shaman guy was like 32 and he was kind of a baby.
I know less about normal Trump rallies, but I don’t really need to because there’s actual polling to rely on. MAGA youth exist, but they’re underrepresented and even more heavily poor, white, uneducated and rural. Meanwhile, in Europe, there’s basically no correlation. Young and old alike support AfD about the same.
What we have on this continent is definitely fascism, fueled by pure, barely-directed hate and hostile to democracy. In Europe, I wonder if it’s more of a reversion to Japan-like policy, which might have been more natural for these ancient kingdoms all along. That’s just a wild guess, but I hope so, because I like democracy.
You need to leave your basement
Ooh, brilliant counterargument. /s
No, you really need to get out and look around.
Your debate skills are breathtaking. Say something about cheeto dust or mountain dew next. Then I’ll start asking how many teeth you have and what your family tree is shaped like. This is an excellent use of both our time. /s
I’m not debating. I’m telling you you need to travel and look around.
America has a Boomergeoisie.
As for traitors:
https://time.com/5931320/businesses-boycotted-capitol-riots/
https://www.inc.com/inc-staff/capitol-insurrection-business-owners.html
From your first link:
Across the country, small business owners who attended the pro-Trump event are facing backlash
That gives me some small measure of hope for the future.
Gen Z/Millennials/Boomers are all terms to describe generations specifically in just America. Why are they being used when this article is talking about the EU?
I’m curious what’s you’re from that leads you to think that’s the case.
As an European I can confirm that we use those too.
My young coworkers seem to believe that 250k refugees of which 100k got a house are the reason we have a housing shortage of well over 400k.
These kids are worse off than i am when it comes to housing, so how surprising is it that they vote far right.
One of them asked me: “so, you’re not racist?” Nah “shame, really”. Motherfucker forgot my family isn’t from here and i’ve often been treated like subhuman trash for being a foreigner despite being born here and speaking the language like it is my own (because it is).
They asked you if you’re not racist, as if it’s normal to be racist??
It’s sad to see how people get manipulated to the point that they can’t understand that even a natural population growth without immigration can cause a housing crisis, if we don’t build and maintain the houses. And immigrants come to work anyway, which provides a disproportionately high value to the economy compared to what most of them are paid.
There’s a lot of them right here on lemmy. If you don’t know what to look for, they’re the ones yelling at everyone not to vote. They’re the ones you’ll see on every post that’s critical of Biden, but they’re nowhere to be found n any news critical of Trump.
They’re the ones that either disappear, or resort to personal attacks when you simply ask them who else can win the White House if not Biden.
They’re all over lemmy. They are just counting on you not being aware of it.
Yup, everyone who doesn’t like your president or your team is a horrible no good far right troll. It’s amazing how well one can do when you get paid by Soros and Koch!
Did I say everyone? It’s very easy to tell the ones that are though.
VERY easy.
Oh no! you left yourself verbal wiggle room. I guess some of them are nice people?
There are always exceptions. This is because the world we live in isn’t as back and white as you all like to paint it.
This is the result of the left focusing so hard on identity politics and immigration. The right didn’t have to do shit… it was inevitable.
Identity politics surely is to blame for the rise of fascism. Just like the last time in the years 1915-1945.
You are almost quoting the fascist playbook line of “look what you made me do”.
I’m right, but you don’t have to like it, I’m okay with that.
They’re kinda right, but not in the way they think they are. It’s not that the left has being advocating for minority rights that is the problem, it’s that they have been focusing on that while dropping policies to support the working class that is the issue. The fact that getting more women and black people on to corporate boards has been more of a focus than affordable housing has been slowly driving alienation from mainstream left wing parties.
In much of Europe the left have been victims of former success. Many of the (former) leftist political parties and their constituents have foregone leftist policies because said policies gave them the social mobility to move into a higher strata of society.
In effect it is successful class war waged by the capitalist class, who have dismantled their greatest political opposition and employed a tactic of divide and conquer for the lump sum of petty cash.
Note, I do not say that having a fair and egalitarian society isn’t a part of socialist ideology, but focusing on cultural symbolics instead of improving material conditions is just bourgeoisie propaganda.
