To the extent that a boss demanding sex in exchange for career advancement, I agree that makes them sex offenders. But those women still have a choice. They making the wrong choice doesn’t mean they aren’t the victim, but they still should be accountable for their choice.
Agree. Rape and sexual assault nare one thing, and always deplorable. But as presented above, this isn’t that. It’s consensual sex with the hope of advancement.
If the power dynamic is abused by the boss for the purposes of attaining that sex, that’s sexual assault.
Because of the power imbalance you can never divorce the two, even if she chased him.
That’s not a moral judgement, just a reality that “perspective “ matters here and if she chased him and then decides 3 years later that he unduly promoted her to try and convince her to have sex with him, BOOM he’s screwed, because she’s got a valid point.
I don’t know the answer, but he’s definitely doing things he shouldn’t.
Why are women doing this? They have a baby with him and they are able to get child support and spousal support for 18 years and maybe for life. This is a nice deal for a few nights of sex with this idiot.
Humans run the complete gamut from the good to bad, smart to stupid.
There will ALWAYS be some people ( this includes women) willing to do anything for a chance at money or even to just rub elbows with the rich, powerful, famous
Ever heard of groupies? Wilt Chamberlain supposedly slept with 10k women and has how many kids.
There are women who intentionally choose to be a single parent. Like they’re single, they get a sperm donor, have a kid. It’s not some insane thing. Kids should have a supportive and caring environment, whomever raises them. Not every kid with a single caregiver is neglected, nor is every kid with 2 or more caregivers properly cared for.
Some do, most don’t. A lot fall for powerful men with lots of money, and my guess is that Musk throws out advances on as many women as he is able and playing the odds with and advantage means he will find a lot of the women who desire what he has to offer from money to attention to the experience.
I would bet that out of the dozen at least one did it for the money, at least one was an accident they decided to keep, and at least one did it because they thought he night marry them.
Nothing is universally true for all women exceot for the fact that they are women.
He is a human trafficking serial rapist. End of story. Anything else is just spewing his own propaganda to legitimize the very real hurt he does to the world.
The main error here is thinking that because some women are motivated by money that we can generalize that to all women. And then use that to justify general misogyny.
There are horrible women and horrible men in the world. Prejudging everyone in a class because some members of the class are horrible is wrong.
The fact this has 40 up votes right now makes me feel like lemmy is losing a diverse user base. Like, where are the women to down vote this obviously shitty take?
Let’s list some reasons why these women could have done this that aren’t “women are sluts for clown daddies”:
he’s their boss, and leveraging his insane power over them to make it hard to say no and keep their job
he’s just an extremely powerful man and they’re afraid of pissing him off
they have insecurities, (like the “loser cuck” fallacy!) that they aren’t valuable or desirable as partners, and attention from someone as powerful as him feels like affirmation of their value even if they don’t like him or he treats them badly
they understand that, by not resisting his advances, they might be able to provide themselves a link to a financial source that could support them and a child
he literally sexually harasses, assaults, or rapes them and they don’t feel like they can criminally pursue one of the richest men in the world
Like, yeah, some of them might be individuals who have bad taste in men or are shitty people themselves. I’m even certain that some of them are! But damn, can we take the perspective of the woman for one second? It’s not a good look to find yourself agreeing with incels on the internet
Still, even if it’s a bot/troll/etc. post, if we don’t call it out when we see it, the culture of the community slowly shifts towards “bigotry is acceptable here”…
I’m gonna keep pointing this stuff out when I see it whether the user is acting in good faith or not :)
I cant even picture how he would have meaningful relationships with the children as they have three different mothers so at least three different households on top of him being CEO of multiple companies. I wonder how often he even sees the kids. Maybe this is the Republican dream of spawning more children but never having to raise or care for any of them outside of maybe an annual trip to Disney Land or some shit.
The same as 99% of other extremely wealthy parents, they don’t. The nannies and tutors raise the kids or in the case of illegitimate kids, the mothers are given hush money or fight and usually receive large child support checks.
This has been the norm since the middle ages or before. Why are so many people shocked and surprised by this?
That’s what confuses me, not that he’s doing it, he’s a narcissist piece of shit. It is every one in this thread with the surprised Pikachu face.
No shit, I would genuinely love a source for this. You may be joking or exaggerating at least but whatever the case nothing would surprise me about this POS.
guy has 12 children and probably talks to none of them in any sort of meaningful way
We know why he is doing this… He don’t give a fuck…
But why are the women doing this? This kinda confirms a lot biases that loser cucks shill online tbh
Then everyone wonders why losers worship these clown daddies…
Why are the women doing it? Power imbalance is probably a big factor.
You think elon is pressuring all these women to get preggers lol
100%
What are you basing this on?
Read the article MondayToFriday linked to you.
So nothing …
Partly psychopathic manipulation, partly sleeping around for career advancement. It’s a tale as old as time.
If you have to sleep with someone to get a promotion, its not worth it.
REMEMBER: If you have to have sex with you boss for advancement, that doesn’t make you a slut, that makes them a sex-offender.
“career advancement” is euphemism designed to switch the power dynamic.
To the extent that a boss demanding sex in exchange for career advancement, I agree that makes them sex offenders. But those women still have a choice. They making the wrong choice doesn’t mean they aren’t the victim, but they still should be accountable for their choice.
Agree. Rape and sexual assault nare one thing, and always deplorable. But as presented above, this isn’t that. It’s consensual sex with the hope of advancement.
If the power dynamic is abused by the boss for the purposes of attaining that sex, that’s sexual assault.
Here’s the problem….
Because of the power imbalance you can never divorce the two, even if she chased him.
That’s not a moral judgement, just a reality that “perspective “ matters here and if she chased him and then decides 3 years later that he unduly promoted her to try and convince her to have sex with him, BOOM he’s screwed, because she’s got a valid point.
I don’t know the answer, but he’s definitely doing things he shouldn’t.
And let’s be real, he’s likely a VERY shitty dad.
The power dynamic is ever present. Can a person detained by a law enforcement officer consent to sex with that officer?
Oh so I shouldn’t have divorced my ex wife then
Because of the implication.
Why are women doing this? They have a baby with him and they are able to get child support and spousal support for 18 years and maybe for life. This is a nice deal for a few nights of sex with this idiot.
You don’t get spousal support because someone was a sperms donor to you or had a short term affair with you. That’s not how spousal support works.
that and they wont get fired from their job
So women care more about the money than ensuring kid has a father?
Humans run the complete gamut from the good to bad, smart to stupid.
There will ALWAYS be some people ( this includes women) willing to do anything for a chance at money or even to just rub elbows with the rich, powerful, famous
Ever heard of groupies? Wilt Chamberlain supposedly slept with 10k women and has how many kids.
But to answer your question absolutely.
There are women who intentionally choose to be a single parent. Like they’re single, they get a sperm donor, have a kid. It’s not some insane thing. Kids should have a supportive and caring environment, whomever raises them. Not every kid with a single caregiver is neglected, nor is every kid with 2 or more caregivers properly cared for.
Not “women” in general. But there will always be willing idiots somewhere.
True, let me fix that
I would definitely raise a bastard for 5 figures every month.
Economics do be like that and we are all subject to needing money.
I was getting more at society loves to shit on men for walking out on kids but women don’t get grief for setting up a family without a father…
Some do, most don’t. A lot fall for powerful men with lots of money, and my guess is that Musk throws out advances on as many women as he is able and playing the odds with and advantage means he will find a lot of the women who desire what he has to offer from money to attention to the experience.
I would bet that out of the dozen at least one did it for the money, at least one was an accident they decided to keep, and at least one did it because they thought he night marry them.
Nothing is universally true for all women exceot for the fact that they are women.
Child support payments from one of the richest men on the planet probably aren’t small.
They’re never gonna see any of that money.
And then we wonder why Andrew Tate has a following lol
“Why would my child need a dad, when I can get paid cash money!”
Please, do not even pretend that a human trafficking serial rapist gives a shit about “the role of fathers in a child’s life”
Does he have to give a shit beyond pretend?
He is a human trafficking serial rapist. End of story. Anything else is just spewing his own propaganda to legitimize the very real hurt he does to the world.
How naive is u?
Andrew Tate is also in a Romanian jail right now, if I’m not mistaken.
Its a shame Adin Ross didn’t join him. He could probably use the companionship. Also, it keeps Adin’s dumb ass off the internet.
Take Sneako too pls
I feel for the other inmates
That’s why we banned cruel and unusual punishment
The main error here is thinking that because some women are motivated by money that we can generalize that to all women. And then use that to justify general misogyny.
There are horrible women and horrible men in the world. Prejudging everyone in a class because some members of the class are horrible is wrong.
No doubt that is a nuanced and fair take but that’s ain’t the world we live in.
People make snap decisions on bad or wrong data all the time.
Yeah, as if plenty of men wouldn’t have a baby with a rich woman if she was offering $100k/mo child support or some shit.
The numbers work differently if you swap the sexes like that, but the motivations don’t.
The fact this has 40 up votes right now makes me feel like lemmy is losing a diverse user base. Like, where are the women to down vote this obviously shitty take?
Let’s list some reasons why these women could have done this that aren’t “women are sluts for clown daddies”:
Like, yeah, some of them might be individuals who have bad taste in men or are shitty people themselves. I’m even certain that some of them are! But damn, can we take the perspective of the woman for one second? It’s not a good look to find yourself agreeing with incels on the internet
Or they’re shitty tech executives and are shit people, which has nothing to do with gender.
Sure, notice that I included this possibility in the last paragraph.
Also notice that that possibility doesn’t reinforce the perspective that “women are sluts for clown daddies”
I’m a man and I’d probably slut it out a bit for a clown mommie
Aight you got me there
I, too, am down to clown tbh
Feel like it’s worth pointing out that user has over 360 comments, and they created that account 5 days ago.
Also keep in mind Lemmy doesn’t work like reddit. Scores are not universal, it depends on the instance you’re looking at it from.
That’s a good (and reassuring) observation!
Still, even if it’s a bot/troll/etc. post, if we don’t call it out when we see it, the culture of the community slowly shifts towards “bigotry is acceptable here”…
I’m gonna keep pointing this stuff out when I see it whether the user is acting in good faith or not :)
… which is provably the main thing they’ve got going for them, having started off with such trash genes.
He probably thinks his superior genes should propagate without him having to take care/share his wealth with anyone.
I hope they all turn out to be trans.
One (that we know of) is trans and she hates him.
Probably more. Just search for ‘x’ in a name register and filter the normal ones like Alex.
I mean he is Elon Musk, he can’t talk in a meaningful way at all…
I cant even picture how he would have meaningful relationships with the children as they have three different mothers so at least three different households on top of him being CEO of multiple companies. I wonder how often he even sees the kids. Maybe this is the Republican dream of spawning more children but never having to raise or care for any of them outside of maybe an annual trip to Disney Land or some shit.
The same as 99% of other extremely wealthy parents, they don’t. The nannies and tutors raise the kids or in the case of illegitimate kids, the mothers are given hush money or fight and usually receive large child support checks.
This has been the norm since the middle ages or before. Why are so many people shocked and surprised by this?
That’s what confuses me, not that he’s doing it, he’s a narcissist piece of shit. It is every one in this thread with the surprised Pikachu face.
He spends all his time on Xitter so unless something changes about that, his day jobs aren’t the culprits.
Yep he “Know nothin’ 'bout that”
Lucky for them.
For the sake of his children, I think that might be for the best.
Dude genuinely thinks he needs to spread his DNA round because he believes he’s a divine being.
No shit, I would genuinely love a source for this. You may be joking or exaggerating at least but whatever the case nothing would surprise me about this POS.
Not sure about the divine being thing, but he has been spewing “We need to make more kids to preserve our culture” shit at far right rallies so…
Take that as you will.