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The new MV3 architecture reflects Google’s avowed desire to make browser extensions more performant, private, and secure. But the internet giant’s attempt to do so has been bitterly contested by makers of privacy-protecting and content-blocking extensions, who have argued that the Chocolate Factory’s new software architecture will lead to less effective privacy and content-filtering extensions.
For users of uBlock Origin, which runs on Manifest V2, “options” means using the less capable uBlock Origin Lite, which supports Manifest V3.
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For those looking to move beyond Chrome, there are alternatives that come pre-installed with uBlock Origin and are considered better than Firefox:
This project is a custom and independent version of Firefox, with the primary goals of privacy, security and user freedom.
LibreWolf is designed to increase protection against tracking and fingerprinting techniques, while also including a few security improvements. This is achieved through our privacy and security oriented settings and patches. LibreWolf also aims to remove all the telemetry, data collection and annoyances, as well as disabling anti-freedom features like DRM.
The Mullvad Browser is developed – in collaboration between Mullvad VPN and the Tor Project – to minimize tracking and fingerprinting. It is designed to be used with a trustworthy VPN instead of the Tor Network. It does not require the use of Mullvad’s VPN.
Both have privacy and security enhancements that significantly affect performance and slightly convenience. Regular Firefox can be a better option for some of them. But the browsers you listed are still great
Performance? I’d expect it to be faster when running less stuff. What are they doing additionally that reduces performance?
Man the performance hit really is there, especially on HDDs. Content blocker kind of stuff is the reason I think. It’s basically like a real-time scanner
Compared to loading ads? Most people will see an overall speedup when blocking ads even with the extra overhead.
Companies and communities should just pull support for Chrome. It would mean a loss in market share but at the end of the day it would get some attention if everyone did it.
Switch to Firefox.
At this point Google just want mozilla to be over them
Is Firefox affected?
Nope.
Just use Librewolf on desktop, Mull on your phone and be done with it
also I’d recommend Adnauseam instead of ublock. It’s based on ublock but clicks on ads inseatd of blocking them.
Basically a form of protest against surveillance capitalism and obfuscation against it’s methods.Does Adnauseam it actually work? Just installed it and tried to browse the most ad-infested DDL and porn sites possible : saw all the ads.
Just like with ublock you have to configure it a bit, especially the blocklists
here is my setup:
(you can also import additional lists, these are rly cool https://github.com/bogachenko/fuckfuckadblock )
Never had to configure anything with ublock…
How does clicking on ads protest against them? Doesn’t that just give even more money to the ad networks (and Google)?
From their website:
As online advertising becomes ever more ubiquitous and unsanctioned, AdNauseam works to complete the cycle by automating ad clicks universally and blindly on behalf of its users. Built atop uBlock Origin, AdNauseam quietly clicks on every blocked ad, registering a visit on ad networks’ databases. As the collected data gathered shows an omnivorous click-stream, user tracking, targeting and surveillance become futile.
AdNauseam is a free browser extension designed to obfuscate browsing data and protect users from tracking by advertising networks. At the same time, AdNauseam serves as a means of amplifying users’ discontent with advertising networks that disregard privacy and facilitate bulk surveillance agendas.
I think it overinflates the click rate, which means despite having more clicks on an ad, that doesnt mean that more people bought some product. This devalues click rate which might make the ad service less valuble to advertisers, so they dont spend as much on Google’s ad service.
And in general I think makes any training data for a model more muddy, since adnauseum isnt behaving like a human. So it could make it more difficult to train models that do targeted advertising.
- Company buys 1000 clicks
- Adnauseam user click on 100 of them
- Company only bought 900 real clicks
- If 1% of the people who click, buy, then they only get 9 buyers instead of 10
- Company observes that 0.9% of people who click, actually buy
- A click isn’t as valuably as before.
- To generate 10 clicks, the company has to buy 1100 clicks in order to get the 10 paying customers in order to finance the ads
- More ads lead ro more people using adblocker, the more adblock users, the more adnauseam users. The more adnauseam users, the less valuable the ads.
- adnauseam usera click more often and faster on ads. If there is a critical mass of adnauseam users, the ads become even more worthless as real people do not get the chance of clicking on it, skewing the curve even further.
- As ads become useless because people don’t buy after a click, companies stop paying for ads in that space.
- Only companies that can differentiate between real users and adnauseam bots like within proprietary apps like tiktok and instagram can generate money.
- Is it really that useful?
Was wondering…
If I would invest $10 a month … How many computing power I could get … For an Adnauseam-As-A-Service server … And how many ad-budget that would vaporize?
Would it make $100, $1000 or more ad budget worthless?
Just curious what the numbers would be?
Hey that’s a great reason for many to move to Firefox, even for normal users
Manifest V3 is now supported to varying degrees by other browsers, such as Edge, Firefox, and Safari.
We have no idea how much Firefox is going to lick Google’s boots to get more money. Mozilla might end up just dropping manifest v2 too.
I really don’t see how supporting Manifest V3 is a problem. It’s still going to be used by many extension developers, and there’s no harm in its availability as long as you can still block WebRequest, which is currently the case. On the Mozilla taking Google’s money point, sure, that’s true, but it doesn’t seem to have affected too much of the browser, other than search defaults abd a few other things that can be very easily turned off or removed entirely. I wouldn’t say the chances are particularly high for Manifest V2 to be completely removed, personally.
Manifest v3 has an upper limit of rules that can be implemented, so if you don’t see how supporting it is a problem, you’re blind.
Supporting v3 and v2 inevitably leads to v2 support being dropped. Firefox has done this plenty in the past with the goal of “cleaning up the code base”. Taking care of 1 code path > Taking care of 2 code paths.
It’s simple on the face of it, and all results in less control for web users.
Firefox’s implementation of manifest v3 is a bit different than Chrome’s, and still allows for blocking webrequests with no upper limit.
https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2024/03/13/manifest-v3-manifest-v2-march-2024-update/
https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2022/05/18/manifest-v3-in-firefox-recap-next-steps/
I for one welcome Mozilla’s use of embrace, extend, exterminate.
I wish it had a cleaner UI
You can actually make it look exactly like Chrome, Safari, whatever you want with userChrome.css. Mine currently looks like Safari.
That’s not good for privacy
How so?
Maybe because it alters your maximized resolution, which makes you easier to identify? But that sounds like a bit of a stretch to me.
It makes you stand out
firefox is extremely customizable. I like the options, but you can make it yours and it’s way better than it was a few years ago, even faster than chrome.
cleaner UI
It’s a browser, with a tab bar and hamburger menu to access settings. A plain, boring, 2024 design web browser.
And that’s exactly what it should be. Use the least amount of screen space to give me the information and buttons I need to navigate, and get the fuck out of my way. Provide a way to use plugins to alter and block ads effectively, and that’s literally all I need.
What do you mean by clean? Firefox UI is highly customizable, you can even add spacing where you want it, or select a more compact view
No one does that outside of a handful of users
Regardless of how many people do it, you can do it. Then you can have the “clean” interface you want
You can even customize it with userChrome.css
Just quit Chrome…
It’s all we can use at work besides Edge which is just a reskinned Chrome.
On my personal devices it’s 100% Firefox as they have great features like sharing pages between devices and extensions on the mobile browser.
You can’t use another Chromium based browser? Brave and Vivaldi will maintain support for Manifest v.2
No everything is managed by IT due to IP concerns. We don’t even have privileges to install programs on the computers.
Most IT places don’t let end users install software.
Petition the IT boffins about the loss of security when uBlock gets removed from chrome.
They might maintain it for a while, but their whole business model is built on the idea that they don’t have to develop a browser themselves. The longer they maintain v2, the more they have to patch the main chromium release. Eventually it will be enough development time that they’ll give it up. It’s a company and they’ll only do something as long as it’s profitable.
I disagree, their entire business model is built on the idea that they are different from Chrome. Native Adblocker is a feature they advertise. People use their browsers because of this difference and will stop if this difference no longer exists.
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“THIS”
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