I dont know why they have to lie about it. At $5/8ft board you’d think I paid for the full 1.5. Edit: I mixed up nominal with actual.

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    Um, wait. I would think that violates some sort of law (but I guess maybe we haven’t codified this?). I mean, building plans expect standards in materials, right? So how can a building meet codes if the materials are not within the expected specs?

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      I’m going to guess they can get away with this because 2x2s aren’t intended for structural use. I’ve never built one into a floor, wall or ceiling.

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            That was one example, you can also strap roofs to install sheet metal cladding. Is that not structural? Strap a ceiling? There’s a ceiling use for you.

            I figured if I gave you a real world example you could do a little research of your own. Even googling 2x2 will get you a big box store furring strip page. You should know what furring strips are if you are in the industry.

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              No, that’s not structural since the furring strips are not integral to load bearing capacity of the structure.

              In your sheet metal example, they are only there for visual reasons - to help keep the roof flat. The roof can be put down without the furring strips. It might bend, but it still function as a roof.

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                The roof can be put down without the furring strips. It might bend, but it still function as a roof.

                What…? Roof trusses go parallel with the length of the cladding panel, you require furring strips on the perpendicular to install them. Just like in a wall with the studs vertical, you need horizontal furring to install them.

                These required larger furring strips due to truss spacing.

                Furring strips are not visual lmfao. They are structural components in a lot of assemblies. Without knowing the assembly you can’t say if they are or aren’t structural, that’s the entire point I’ve been trying to make here. You aren’t the quickest one are you? I’ve pointed this out multiple times. There are thousands of use cases where furring strips are structural. To say they aren’t structural is fucking asinine lmfao.

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                  Those aren’t furring strips in that photo. That’s dimensional lumber. In this case, those spans are large enough that they require the strength of actual lumber.

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              Furring strips are used in plenty of places, I provide one example where it is used in most residential homes to support drywall.

              Is it not structural if it’s holding ceiling drywall…? So why are people still bickering that walls aren’t structural when they still hold drywall up…?

              If it’s part of a code wall detail, would that not be structural…?

              What’s with the pedantism over something like this to try and save face over not knowing what a furring strip is?

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                No, that’s is not structural.

                Structural means it’s intended to support and transfer loads in a way that cannot be safely removed.

                Since neither the furring strips or drywall are part of a structural requirement, they are not load bearing.

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                  Drywall is structural, when used on block walls it helps provide lateral support.

                  This is why being pedantic usually backfires.

                  Drywall is inherently structural.

                  Regardless. It’s furring strips, you want to argue furring strips aren’t used in structural applications? They are used in all three applications the person said they haven’t used them in. They also claimed to be a wood wroker elsewhere, so I don’t see how they would use anything structural anyways….

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                Furring strips and drywall don’t count as load bearing. Structural means that it carries the weight of the overlying structure. Basically if the building falls down if that element is missing, it’s structural. So staircases for instance are almost never structural. Many interior walls are not load bearing so they can get knocked down without consequence. You can also split a room by building a wall that won’t be load bearing.

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                  Furring strips and drywall don’t count as load bearing.

                  Except for the thousands of use cases where they are used for lateral bracing to support the structure….

                  Like in shear walls… strapped drywall ceilings… load bearing walls….

                  Yes they can be used non-structurally, I’ve never claimed otherwise, yet you are ignoring the fact that they can, and are used in load bearing structural applications……

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        Yeah sorry. The tree was originally 50ft tall so we call the pieces that. But you only get 3ft

        Is like buying 1200lbs steaks because that’s what the cow weighs before it gets parted