The Democratic platform if they actually acted to stop the rise of fascism and codified basic human rights:
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Something about a Genocide and never again…
Do you mean the Germans should have voted for Hitler harder OP?
This is not a shitpost.
It didn’t just take “Hitler’s death” for Germans to be able to vote again. It wasn’t a case of “oh look, he’s dead, now we can go back to democracy”. It took over a decade of political terror and violence, a devastating world war, and one of the most organised campaigns of mass murder and genocide in history.
So just 14 years, a world war, a holocaust, and an aftermath which still leads to new wars until today?
Yeah I think I’ll just be watching those crazy Netflix documentaries on Nov. 5th
Junkers, dive bombing facts
Just a casual grasp of historical events and a critical phase of post-war and interwar politics and economies of Europe.
There’s a lesson there!
A good reminder to vote against genocide Joe.
Thanks for the reminder to vote against dementia Don.
Hey, have you kissed your Nick Fuentes photo today?
Wow. Reading this comment has lowered the IQ of everyone in this thread…
They’re poisoning the blood of our country
Trump quoting Hitler on immigrants.
And vote for Genocidal Convicted Felon Trump?
Don’t forget that he is a certified charlatan and rapist. Also he is a terrible businessman and overall shit person in general. Republican’s favorite person.
Being a charlatan and rapist is very bad. Supporting genocide and mass murder is worse.
Who’s Hitler lol no cap fr fr deadass tho
Jenkins’ brother.
Bro, I can’t believe how that happened. They erased Jenkins from the timeline and somehow history was completely unaffected, because his brother became Fuhrer. Like what the shit
Leroy is my cuzin
Ah yes, another fantastic reason to vote for Claudia De la Cruz in this upcoming election.
The Germans in 1932 all voted for the “realistic” liberal candidate, Hindenberg, and he went ahead and appointed Hitler as chancellor anyway. The only option to prevent the Nazis from rising to power was the communists, which is of course why the Nazis killed all the communists the first chance they got (with the help of the social democrats - don’t trust the squad is what I’m saying).
Will also be voting for her, insane how many people think voting for a genocide enabler is a perfectly reasonable thing
Are you saying Biden will make Trump president?
Since Biden has done nothing to curb the radical conservative takeover of the Supreme Court, he doesn’t have to. The GOP has all the undemocratic institutional power they could ever ask for.
Ah yes, another fantastic reason to vote for Claudia De la Cruz in this upcoming election. The Germans in 1932 all voted for the “realistic” liberal candidate, Hindenberg, and he went ahead and appointed Hitler as chancellor anyway. The only option to prevent the Nazis from rising to power was the communists, which is of course why the Nazis killed all the communists the first chance they got (with the help of the social democrats - don’t trust the squad is what I’m saying).
Since Biden has done nothing to curb the radical conservative takeover of the Supreme Court, he doesn’t have to. The GOP has all the undemocratic institutional power they could ever ask for.
voting for liberals to keep the fascists out doesn’t work
our current system has already shown the tendency for liberals to let fascists into prominent positions of power
in the historical example, the Germans could have saved their country by voting for communists, therefore I advocate voting for communists in the present day
is that simple enough for you to understand?
I’m voting for Joe!
I’m voting for Not Trump!
So brave
I’m not sure what point this snark is supposed to be making, but okay.
I’m voting for Joe and against Trump.
This implies that people care, which might not be true…
What do you expect, people think Hitler was good for most Germans and restored economy and made trains run on time, and the defeat part oh well. Because that’s what movies show. And that’s because for commies Hitler was just a variation of the west, probably less capricious, while for the west Hitler was bad, but good against commies. So both would show Nazis as being better than their opponent.
He wasn’t even good for the German economy though, the Nazis produces a large GDP growth through massive military spending, they bankrupted the country well before the war was over, and had they won the war, the German economy would have crashed immediately.
There was no way Germany could have “won” anyway, unless it resulted in literally conquering the entire world. They were in a state of constant “mission creep” (to use a modern term). Early it was “retake the land we lost in the first war”, then it was “Lebensraum im Osten”, then Africa, the entire Soviet Union, etc.
They’ve also ran a few state-level scams and Ponzi schemes to have the funds for that military and other spending.
Their business model was - step 1, cheat to have money, step 2, use money to rearm, step 3, conquer and loot, thus get funds that way, step 4 probably would be to force some peace, then rearm, then rinse and repeat, but they didn’t manage to capture a few strategic areas they needed in time. So they had fuel shortages, food shortages, and ultimately lost.
Their system also only ran as far as it did because of the so called Mefo-bills
These fit under “state-level scams”.
EDIT: Still, while I wasn’t going to compliment them or something, it can be a valid strategy for survival to use anything to accumulate some operational power ; I can see a few nations (not all of them have recognized states) on the map for which it may be necessary to survive in the following decade. But Nazis didn’t have to take such risks, it was ideological for them that theft and robbery are better than honest work.
The more they push us to vote, the less our votes actually mean. Voting is a placebo.
Trump won 2020 and they’ll cheat again in 2024.
I thought Trump won 2016, and Joe won 2020… But I am not from the U.S., so I could be mistaken.
You’re so close~
Voting is a placebo, but every election is stolen before it’s even held. Party members decide who gets to run in the primaries and draw the congressional districts to ensure no third parties could ever hope to win. Actual competition between the parties is limited to battleground states, electors elsewhere have no influence on the outcome.
So, you’re right, but not in the way you think. The political establishment pushes an illusion of choice to keep the population from exercising its power.
If you vote with the hope that it will fixes problem by itself, you won’t get very far. Voting is sort of the end of a political process, the other end starting in people building political movements. For your vote to mean something, you have to be voting with a political project. So, focus on the political projects: start building the structures that protect people first, without relying on the government’s approval. Support your communities of care and build your mutual aid networks. Don’t wait for it to be delivered from on high, get with people who also care about the things you care about and start using what you have to build what you can.
So just go give up. You don’t need to comment about how hopeless it is, if you aren’t fighting the good fight then sit down.
Nobody’s fighting the good fight on Lemmy. What do you think this place is? We’re not even on the cutting edge of Star Trek memes.
Hitler was appointed chancellor by Hindenburg. He wasn’t voted in by the people.
Like losing the popular vote.
Even setting aside the bit of history where the SDP party rallied around Hindenburg because of their deep and abiding fear of the Evil Russian Backed KDP party (god damn, everything old really is new again), there were three different elections from July of '32 to March of '33. The Nazis took 37% of the seats in July, dipped down to 32% in November, and then jumped to 43% the following March.
And then, what really kicked off martial law was the Reichstagg fire, which was blamed on Tankie Antifa Far-Left Communists and used to justify a Nazi-lead state of martial law. Liberals, Conservatives, and Fascists all united under a single banner in their staunch hatred of German Communism.
This was decades after German military police and Freikorps paramilitary groups under Hindenburg crushed the Spartacus League during the 1919 strike wave. The leaders of the movement - Rosa Luxemburg, Karl Liebknecht, and Franz Mehring - were executed by the police and the organizations disbanded under threat of further imprisonment/execution.
This, in comparison to the Beer Hall Pustch four years later, in which Hitler’s band of low-ranking military officers were tossed in the drunk tank for nine months, before returning to politics and rapidly climbing the ranks on the basis that he’d been martyred by (((bad Germans))) who secretly controlled the government.
Gotta wonder how this compares to the 2014 BLM protests, the subsequent police crackdown, and then the string of BLM leadership “suicides” where members of the movement shot themselves in the head right before being incinerated in their cars. Or the widespread bipartisan/corporate efforts to suppress labor activism in the rail, shipping, and Amazon distribution centers, the automotive industry, and the Starbucks-centric food service sectors.
Or the feeble efforts by US government officials to arrest/convict J6ers, the hand-slap sentencing of Alex Jones and Steve Bannon, and the stubborn refusal to federally prosecute Donald Trump.
Oh well, anyways!
There is a good reason why it starts with “first they came for the communists”
because of their deep and abiding fear of the Evil Russian Backed KDP party (god damn, everything old really is new again)
You missed the moment where NSDAP and German communists kinda had intersecting constituencies, as in “angry young people with nothing good to do”.
Many stormtroopers were members of both at different points of their, eh, path.
And then, what really kicked off martial law was the Reichstagg fire,
Which was almost certainly a false flag operation by Nazis.
Liberals, Conservatives, and Fascists all united under a single banner in their staunch hatred of German Communism.
Such parallels always suck. They didn’t really have liberals in the Weimar republic. It was all conservatives, monarchists, nationalists, and some fishy social-democrats. And it was kinda authoritarian at every point.
This was decades after German military police and Freikorps paramilitary groups under Hindenburg crushed the Spartacus League during the 1919 strike wave. The leaders of the movement - Rosa Luxemburg, Karl Liebknecht, and Franz Mehring - were executed by the police and the organizations disbanded under threat of further imprisonment/execution.
Yep. You might consider that such a republic shouldn’t be so readily compared to the US.
I’m not saying future is cool.
We got monarchists. We got nationalists. We got conservatives. And most USians hate communism as an internalized educational message become reflex. We are not that far apart chronologically, either.
And not to mention the bunds and many American industrialists were very horny for Hitler not all that long ago. Those families didn’t go anywhere.
2014 BLM protests? You’re almost a decade early there
Are we going to ignore the Ferguson protests after the police slaying of Michael Brown?
Shit, the Freikorps immediately turned around after murdering the Spartacus League and overthrew the SPD government who sent them out. The Kapp Putsch. And the SPD compromised with them.
I, personally, have learned from history, which is why I’ll be voting PSL in the upcoming election.
Yeah we have a lot more in common with pre third Reich Germany than people want to talk about and it’s not just a voting for a crazy shouting lunatic thats making the comparison so eerily similar.
The staunch refusal to try and go left and actually make things better and give people to rally behind is gonna do a lot of the heavy lifting of moving people to the right and it’s not appreciated or understood by the people who make the memes about voting for Biden regardless of anything.
That does depend on who is making those memes. The bad faith propaganda meant to further divide the population targets all sides of all issues and it’s another very divisive issue. Any time I see someone making what should be a good point but in a way that will instead increase resistance, I suspect that’s what’s going on. It’s not a certain way to determine if that’s happening; anyone who has read How to Win Friends and Influence People knows that our instincts about persuasion are bad even before any bad faith is involved.
Candidate: Konrad Adenauer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konrad_Adenauer#Years_under_the_Nazi_government
When the Nazi Party won several municipal, state and national elections in between 1930 and 1932, Adenauer, a strong opponent of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis, still believed that improvements in the national economy would make his strategy work: ignore the Nazis and concentrate on the Communist threat. He thought that based on election returns, the Nazis should become part of the Prussian and Reich governments, even when he was already the target of intense personal attacks. Political maneuverings around the ageing President Hindenburg then brought the Nazis to power on 30 January 1933.
By early February, Adenauer finally realized the futility of all discussions and any attempts at compromise with the Nazis. Cologne’s city council and the Prussian parliament had been dissolved; on 4 April 1933, he was officially dismissed as mayor and his bank accounts were frozen. “He had no money, no home and no job.” After arranging for the safety of his family, he appealed to the abbot of the Benedictine monastery at Maria Laach for a stay of several months. According to Albert Speer in his book Spandau: The Secret Diaries, Hitler expressed admiration for Adenauer, noting his civic projects, the building of a road circling the city as a bypass, and a “green belt” of parks. However, both Hitler and Speer concluded that Adenauer’s political views and principles made it impossible for him to play any role in Nazi Germany.
Adenauer was imprisoned for two days after the Night of the Long Knives on 30 June 1934; however, on 10 August 1934, maneuvering for his pension, he wrote a ten-page letter to Hermann Göring, the Prussian interior minister. He stated that as Mayor he had violated Prussian laws in order to allow Nazi events in public buildings and Nazi flags to be flown from city flagpoles, and that in 1932 he had declared publicly that the Nazis should join the Reich government in a leading role.[24][25] At the end of 1932, Adenauer had indeed demanded a joint government by his Zentrum party and the Nazis for Prussia
What a cool dude. Glad this guy was able to get back in charge of the German government in 1949, because his views were so incredibly normal and good and definitely not what might enable fascism to take root a second time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konrad_Adenauer#Ending_denazification
In a speech on 20 September 1949, Adenauer denounced the entire denazification process pursued by the Allied military governments, announcing in the same speech that he was planning to bring in an amnesty law for the Nazi war criminals and he planned to apply to “the High Commissioners for a corresponding amnesty for punishments imposed by the Allied military courts”
Incredible leadership. Fantastic. Awesome. Love it.
Don’t forget helping manufacture the Clean Wehrmacht mythology. Sanitized fucking Heinz Guderian.
