• Wrench@lemmy.world
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    30 days ago

    Why “most likely?” Based on what evidence?

    See: the entire history of Isreal, and the middle east as a whole.

    And if you feel that you need to aid another nation to continue slaughtering children to save your own, maybe you don’t have much worth saving.

    Geo-politics are complicated, and more complicated when your own country is currently fighting a fascist movement.

    You dismiss the very notion that all but declaring war on Isreal could possibly have negative effects on the Dems political standing. And let’s not mince words. Declaring no fly zones, DMZs and enacting sanctions, as you literally explicitly suggested, is one step away from declaring war.

    And yet I’ve been accused of arguing in bad faith. Right.

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      30 days ago

      I didn’t accuse you of arguing in bad faith, what are you talking about?

      I did ask you for evidence, though, and you didn’t provide any, so maybe I should accuse you of that, but I have not done so, so I’m not sure why you’re suggesting I did.

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        30 days ago

        There was a branch in this thread where someone else made the accusation. But fine, I retract the statement. It wasn’t your words, so no point bringing it up.

        I find the request for impossible evidence to be absurd. Since the US did not take the measures you proposed 2 months ago, there is no evidence to present for either of our sides.

        I point to Netanyahu’s recent and past decisions and complete unwillingness to make concessions, as well as how this conflict has been beneficial to his standing.

        But obviously, we can’t know for sure what would have happened. But Isreal has never been known to be easily forced, or even compromise to anything not vastly in their favor.

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          30 days ago

          I point to Netanyahu’s recent and past decisions and complete unwillingness to make concessions, as well as how this conflict has been beneficial to his standing.

          All of which has been done because U.S. aid has been given unconditionally this entire time, which was my point. The U.S. has leverage and isn’t using it.

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            30 days ago

            And your proof that using that leverage will achieve the desired result in a 2 month time frame is…?