Some in the former president’s camp say it’s time more young adults put “some skin in the game.”
JD Vance appears to be in on requiring the kids of non-billionaires to serve in the military too:
Sen. J.D. Vance (R-Ohio), a potential Trump running mate, said in an interview that he sees a clear need for measures to boost participation. “I like the idea of national service. And I’m not talking about in wartime,” he said, calling for more Americans to put “some skin in the game.”
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Ah yes, slavery.
It would be far from “slavery” in the typical sense.
If this happened, those people would get food, housing, healthcare and job training while getting paid for it.
Though I’m definitely not in favor of conscription because how can you call yourself free if you’re required to do involuntary military work for the government.
You think slaves weren’t fed?
Yeah, the comment just made 0 sense; Slaves got free food, lodging and Healthcare all the way back to biblical times. They also got a free dating service so the master could keep them forever.
I’ll add to that, they also got free “education” to learn skills needed for their “job” and how to adress their “superiors”.
Just in case anyone doesn’t know: the Kain supreme court case about conscription basically had the decision of “But Mom! All the other countries do it!”
That’s a really roundabout way of socialising healthcare.
Service Guarantees Healthcare. Do you want to know more?
I remember when Obama suggested mandatory civil service. Not necessarily military but local government or parks. Doing some local community work. I thought that was a great idea.
Having mandatory military is dumb. I was in for a few enlistments and you don’t want someone forced to be there when people’s lives are on the line. Vietnam ended up with a bunch of officers getting fragged by disgruntled draftees.
I think it would be a great way to nearly eradicate unemployment and justify free college/trade school until we can force UBI down politicians’ throats.
I think some kind of public service is potentially good but you have to sort out your incentive structure first. Otherwise all those extra workers just end up being the only workers.
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You sure want a military-trained proletariat Trump?
Alternatively, would teaching all his red neck lackeys how to use guns more responsibly and effectively be a good thing or a bad thing?
I guess they would be slightly less likely to shoot themselves in the nuts accidentally. But they would also be more effective in murdering more Innocent folks when they have one of their conspiracy-fueled mental health crises.
Will Baron go or will he dodge it like daddy?
Yes?
Mah spurs! They hurt!
Barron likely will not go.
For national defence, right? Surely they’re not wanting to throw more bodies at “lesser” nations to “secure democracy”, right? /s
defending the us from middle eastern babies
They’re planning to use the US military to subdue American cities with minority populations
Hmmmm….Fortunate Son plays softly in the background.
“It Aint Me”
– DJT
Mandatory Patriotism™
Wonder where they got that idea?
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-with-mandatory-military-service
Finland, Norway, and Sweden all have mandatory military service, and are notably democratic and socialist compared to the US. Switzerland and Austria as well.
They also have about 5-10 million people each. And Russia right next to them.
Austria, not so much; Austria is in central Europe, and doesn’t have a shared border.
I don’t think mandatory conscription is a good idea in the US per se, but I don’t necessarily think that it’s necessarily a bad idea either.
Good, easier to organize the proletariat dictatorship.
for what? the wars they plan to start?
Yes, probably. But a larger military means more money piped into the military budget, even in peacetime, if there ever is such a thing again. And a larger budget means more money funneled into the military industrial teat for the GOP and their donors to suckle off of.
For that, and because when you’re in the military, you don’t have the same right to free expression.
The U.S. military has been yet another way religion and in particular Christianity has been forced upon folks.
A lot of misogynists like to throw out how ‘women don’t have to suffer the draft’ (like we’ve even had one of those in forever). So if it’s just for men, probably giving that old tired jaw teeth again?
We still have mandatory registration for selective service, it’s only for men, and feminist groups like the national organization of women believe it should be expended to I clude women or eliminated because it’s sexist
From the perspective of the ruling class, a draft would be an absolutely terrible idea. Many Americans do not care at all what the military does because the victims are mostly PoC foreigners, and if some American soldiers die they might care a little bit, but they chose to be there and knew the risks so it’s whatever. This apathy allows the ruling class to do whatever they want, to go on these random, decades-long invasions that leave hundreds of thousands dead, and nobody actually gives a shit at all, and the handful that do can be written off as traitors and foreign agents.
Nothing would get Americans to start paying attention and caring about foreign policy like forcing them to get involved and potentially risking their own lives. From the ruling class’s perspective, they’ve got a good thing going. They’d have to be truly desperate for manpower to fuck that up, and they’re not.
I won’t say they won’t do it because I don’t want to underestimate their stupidity. But if they do decide to start bringing people in who don’t wanna be there, away from their bread and circuses, to get front row seats to all the horrors and atrocities the media doesn’t like talking about, and give them guns and training, well, all I can say is that’s a bold strategy, Cotton, let’s see if it pays off for them.
Lots of European countries have mandatory military service. Including scandanavian countries that are sometimes held up as a social democracy ideal. It works because they are primarily defensive in nature. When invaded, you want to have a large reserve list to fall back on; people who can return to service with minimal training. Motivation isn’t usually a problem, because people tend to rally around the flag when invaded.
Conscription doesn’t work as well when you’re the aggressor. You have to convince those conscripts that they are here for a good reason. They otherwise start questioning why the hell they’re putting their life on the line for a bunch of rich idiots at the top. Even if they don’t desert, they won’t put in their full effort.
This is basically the difference between the armies of Russia and Ukraine. They’re both relying on conscripts, but one is clearly the aggressor and has motivation issues. We can also look back to America’s history in Vietnam. Lots of people both pressed into service and at home who question why the hell we’re doing this.
So what you do instead is ramp up jingoisim. Convince people they should enlist, and then it was their own “free will” to run off and die for rich idiots at the top.
Some of the people most opposed to mandatory service are the top military officers. They want a voulenteer military, not because they’re high minded or anything, but because they know what kind of wars America fights.
That is, until one party had its brain eaten by a man who doesn’t understand the playbook.
J.d. Vance refused to prosecute epstien even with sufficient evidence.
Different Vance. Cy Vance was the prosecutor who treated Epstein with kid gloves. J.D. Vance is the author of Hillbilly Elegy, who was briefly the darling of liberal media types for showing how the folks of Appalachia and the Rust Belt have been abandoned by those in power, before realizing he could do better for himself by gargling spraytan-orange mushroom dick and riding Trump’s coattails into right-wing demagoguery. He’s a Senator from Ohio now.
