I think bad decisions influence him cause he was younger than me. It makes me want to know what happened in his life he was able to buy an AR-15 at 22 I think. He had a good life going and it’s like no he tried to shoot Trump and I wonder why? I don’t see how you can just hate someone that much to also end your life over.
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A classmate said that they collaborated on a project on JFK’s assassination and he was obsessed with the topic. I think he just wanted the infamy. Also it is pretty clear to me at this point that there was no strong political motive. He left no manifesto and did not even have any extensive political history on his devices.
Forgive the FoxNews link but this video is the best I found: https://www.foxnews.com/video/6358301112112
So you think he didn’t just want to be famous, he wanted to be infamous?
I also read he was researching Biden too, suggesting he didn’t care which one he could target. My guess is that he figured trump would be easier.
Bigger target.
We can never know or speak for why anyone does anything, unless we’re relaying what the person says, because no matter what kind of act we’re speaking of, the only ones who can speak for someone’s intentions is that person. Anything else is putting words in their mouth, an educated guess, based on what we see and not what we don’t. People should stop emphasizing motives as much as they do. Sometimes a motive might not even be able to be manifested in words while still existing.
‘We’ as in any humans vs no humans? Yes. ‘We’ already know. And ‘we’ likely knew before. ‘We’ just didn’t find the needle in the hay stack soon enough.
But ‘we’ as in you and I? No. ‘We’ may never know anything. And, ‘we’ certainly won’t know everything. It’s on a need to know basis, and ‘we’ don’t need to know.
Most people do not go out and attempt an assassination. That alone is an indication of some sort of psychotic break. Evidence may not have been made public yet or there may not be any. The only person who knew for sure is dead.
I don’t think we can necessarily call all killers psychotic. Antisocials in the broadest of terms, maybe, sociopaths, probably, but they’re not necessarily all losing touch with reality.
In his case, given what we know so far, it does sound rather likely.
To add to this, he had looked up several targets, including Biden. So it was likely as you say, a psychotic break followed by lashing out, rather than a partisan choice.
They googled a bunch of public figures and locations, so guessing notoriety
The weapon he used was owned by his parents for many years prior. He grew up in a household full of guns. From everything we can tell right now, it seems like your typical school shooter. Depression and mental illness leads some to want to go with a bang, pun not intended. It doesn’t seem like he hated Trump, so much as he wanted to target someone famous.
That said to you ladder point, literally millions of people gave their lives to kill Hitler.
Depression and mental illness leads some to want to go with a bang
No, they really fucking don’t, privilege and the sense of entitlement it gives are.
Like seriously, beyond the bullshit that is scapegoating mental illness because it’s easier than facing reality, that’s literally not how depression works, nor “mental illness” in general, especially when you consider that mentally ill people are significantly more likely to be victims of violence than perpetrate it.
Stop perpetuating this lazy counterproductive bullshit.
Your best source is a Tumblr blog?
While I get the point you are trying to make, unfortunately unthreaded bipolar depression can indeed lead to manic psychosis episodes. Hyper fixation and grandiosity are also common symptoms.
your ladder point
The point made by a ladder!
(It’s “latter” point, haha)
Aaah thank you, I reread the original post trying to find a point related to a ladder and eventually decided I just didn’t understand what the “ladder point” was referring to, but now I understand them!
Languages are fun :)
At least he didn’t choose to attack a school instead.
Killed a fire fighter though 😡
Fire fighters are generally good in my book, but I saw that guy’s Twitter profile and he was a genuine asshole.
If my house is on fire I couldn’t care less as long as they save my kids. Being a genuine asshole doesn’t deserve that fate.
I’m not saying he deserved to get killed. I just don’t feel too badly that it was him.
Might have ducked all our schools at once with his actions. Thankfully the polling hasn’t shown it helped trumps bottom line yet.
All those morons wearing maxi pads on their ears is an added bonus.
Parents worked in Psych, media failed to differentiate whether therapists of spcial workers, but that particular group is great at fucking up their kids and is capable of hiding and/or minimizing issues.
The shooter is dead, knowing what they were thinking is going to be impossible now. People are going to guess based on situational information but we will never know
Some people see injustice and the suffering of others and are willing to sacrifice their own lives regardless of how good they have it. I also don’t understand this guy’s motivations, but I sympathise with people all over the world who have chosen to end their lives in pursuit of some higher goal.
Look at Aaron Bushnell. He ended his life to protest Israel’s crimes in Gaza and the US’s complicity in them. I often wish I had that courage.
And with regards to killing other people, some people just deserve to die and I’m not succumbing to some liberal bullshit about civility when those same people who spout that nonsense turn a blind eye to the mass slaughter of innocents around the world in the name of the status quo and their privileged existences.
The shooter was a registered Republican and probably did not attempt to shoot Trump out of a concern for the people endangered by Trump (or by Biden for that matter). Also the youtuber whose merch he was wearing at the time larps as a ww2 nazi. So I don’t think he was a lefty of any kind.
He probably didn’t hate Trump. He seemed to be targeting a bunch of politicians. He was probably either mad at politics, or just trying to be famous.
All signs point to depression + disillusionment imo. He seems to be targeting the most convenient major political figure available. With the system being as inexorably broken as it is, it makes sense.
No, but speculate we shal!
Have you heard of CIA? Or Malcom X? Or Martin Luther King? Or John Kennedy?
All
I really think this country is too crazy to really determine a motive. Why do people shoot up elementary schools? It seems so easy to think it’s politically motivated, but I’m not convinced he hated trump, really.
Maybe he was listening to Marilyn Manson.
It’s a shame he’s been accused of being a creep/rapist. Not for his sake, I hope justice is served, just so many misplaced “I told you so”s to go around because of it.
I wasn’t sure if you were talking about Trump or Manson for a moment.
