• Verdant Banana@lemmy.world
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      not a past retirement aged person who has spent their whole careers keeping the citizens in their proper places and who can think past the bible

      so neither Demopublican maybe a third party

      • The Snark Urge@lemmy.world
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        We all want that, the difference is that we understand how this political system works well enough to know we can’t have it.

        If you’re advocating for overthrowing the government, dropping little internet comments isn’t how one does that thing.

        If you’re actually hoping to elect a third party president simply by helping them get more votes spread out across every district despite them having few to no reps in other branches of the federal government and hardly anyone in local governments, you have an inadequate understanding of the system you’re hoping to affect.

        If, on the other hand, you’re just using rhetorical gambits to discourage progressive voters in the upcoming election, I take back any implication that your comments are pointless or wrong. This is exactly how you’d go about that goal, great job.

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          we understand how this political system works well enough to know we can’t have it

          I will say it:

          FUCK THAT.

          Can’t have healthcare.

          Can’t have social security.

          Can’t have minimum wage.

          Can’t vote for normal people.

          Can’t stop billionaires from taking everything.

          Can’t make anyone responsible.

          Can’t have anything, while understanding that the system is set up for you to fail, and you will defend it because otherwise the system fails.

          The system is failing right now on so many levels. The fascists taking over is the normal progression of the system, and I’m sick and tired of people saying ‘we cant change it, it will hurt more people’.

          Sick and vulnerable people are being held hostage to stop any meaningful change, despite them being fucked even now.

          Same with the retirements being held hostage to stop reforming the stock market.

          And I will say it again:

          FUCK THAT.

          • The Snark Urge@lemmy.world
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            Putting words in my mouth won’t change the mess we’ve got on our hands. We want those things and we can get them, but not immediately (absent a millions-strong general strike) and not without a fight (another Blair mountain, probably worse).

            I’m not trying to deter you. I’m talking about what’s in our way.

            • Verdant Banana@lemmy.world
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              that is what my grandfather says

              his grandfather is the one who repeated that line to him

              not repeating that line to my children

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                And the dipshits on the right listened for the last fifty years and got Roe overturned.

                Giving up because you aren’t getting exactly what you want right now is how you lose everything.

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                  Sounds more like they’re giving up on these two shitty privately run parties not giving up on their country or democracy. The failures leading the Democratic party are the reason why Trump got elected in the first place (along with giving away those SCOTUS appointments which got Roe overturned) and they’ve done absolutely nothing to fix things in the interim, giving Trump another chance at the office in 2024. How can you in good conscious support this and actively argue against people who are more interested in changing things than maintaining the status quo that’s brought us to this point?

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                    Because I understand the reality of the system we live in and that one of two people is going to win in November.