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Microsoft is so ridiculously out of touch with its users demands.
Is this just for 11, or are they going to ruin 10 some more with this change too?
I’m not seeing it mentioned in the article.Well, 10 is going away in about a year anyway, isn’t it. I don’t think they really care about 10 anymore.
I’m staying on 10 until it really doesn’t work, and then moving entirely to Linux. I already don’t use windows much and I’m not missing most of it.
And that’s completely fine. I would advise on a cut-off date of around Oct 15. 2025. Your OS won’t receive any security updates after that and having it connected to internet at that point is going to be a major risk.
You have more than a year to prepare, though. Use it wisely. :)
I personally think the risk of not receiving updates is pretty overstated. I’m more concerned with when applications stop supporting it - which normally happens because libraries stop supporting it.
Very recently a 0-click vulnerability was discovered where all you needed in order to be attacked is having IPv6 enabled.
If you don’t have security updates you are at risk of these attacks, even if you don’t click on suspicious links or download random apps.
Well. When the OS stops receiving updates there’s a whole lot of stuff that stops receiving updates (much of which is the libraries that are being updated with the OS).
Using Windows 10 past the cut-off date is perfectly possible but more and more of the security of your device (and, as it’ll be connected to the internet, all other unpatched devices) will be on you, rather than a large company (or a collective of really smart people).
If you insist on using it that long, at least find a good copy of Win 10 LTSC. It’s supported for much longer.
It’s just support that’s going away, not the OS.
I find it funny they’ve been trying to kill the Control Panel for 12 years now and still haven’t been able to do it. Microsoft, here’s an idea you can have for free: Put an “Other” section in the Settings app that opens the Control Panel inside the app, QED.
No big deal to me. I use search in control panel to find what I need. Do the same for Settings. Or just open mmc and load the appropriate item.
I’m all for an improved UX but the settings app is not an improved UX, it’s taking many different ways to manage windows features and throwing them into arbitrary categories that are constantly getting shifted around.
How about instead just improving some other Windows control features? Let me filter by name in services.msc and devmgmt.msc. Let me search in gpedit.msc.
I will say I do appreciate that they’ve finally made those features work under HiDPI without looking like a blurry pixelated mess. Only took 14 years since the first mass market HiDPI display was released, and 23 years since the first 4k monitor
Preach. Make an actual improved control panel, settings is garbage. It’s not just scattering things around it really doesn’t include a ton of necessary settings.
Right, the amount of settings you can’t actually change in settings and instead open up a legacy UI modal to change a specific thing is a demonstration that it’s very much lipstick on a pig rather than a core overhaul. There’s so much baggage in keeping Windows backwards compatible for enterprise that I’m not really sure they can get to a point of having a new control panel where everything is organized into a better UI without cutting some of that baggage and doing major refactors, which will break compatibility, and they make the most money from widespread enterprise licenses across massive private and public organizations, not from windows home licenses included with new computers
They should just copy the Plasma System Settings app.
It really is about the best settings app I’ve ever used, especially where it highlights the settings that have been changed from defaults
The constantly shifting shit around in Settings makes online tutorials for fucking anything useless.
Nice screenshot, nobody will recognize by this what did they remove
Nice, take away the only tool that sometimes fixes what your engineers destroyed
They need to finish Settings before doing that. Control Panel is almost always the easier way to accomplish things and still the only way to accomplish some IIRC.
And it doesn’t take years to load, specially on older PCs
And you can have more than one instance open at a time, instead of having the sound page open and when you try to bring up bluetooth next to it it changes the first one instead.
This is so frustrating when trouble shooting - trying to re-find where that one settings page was because you opened another.
It’s not a phone - it’s a windowing desktop environment. Allow multiple instances!They literally already tried and failed with the phoneification of windows when everyone shat on 8. I guess some ahole UI designer still works there and is bitter that people didn’t like their ideas.
I had to do a lot of configuration work on Win10 computers lately. The MMC, Powershell, even Regedit are faster and more intuitive than Settings. It’s fucking ridiculous.
This. Settings does not have full audio devices information and settings.
Settings in Windows 11 is close. I rarely find myself going to control panel when it was about 50/50 in Windows 10. Still more clicks than I would like but workable.
Am i the only one who just presses the windows button and types the setting thry want? I havent looked at control panel forever…
That’s fine when you want a setting that exists in the settings app. Let me know if you find a place to adjust your also device speaker configuration, or toggle live monitoring of an audio input.
It’s not really fine, though. It’s much more sparse on information, and the animations slow you down because buttons are not clickable until the animation ended. And then there’s when the menu gets populated in chunks through a few seconds, don’t even try to click the button because it will jump away and you’ll click something else. No, this is not on an old machine: Ryzen system with SSD.
Or set up your IrDA driver for a dongle that it does not really recognize.
Settings was utterly useless for this. Long live the control panel!
On brand. Settings is like control panel but dumber.
I love how in settings all the different miuse options are spread out in different places!
Want to change mouse speed, cursor size, and color? We are going on an adventure!
I bet AI would be helpful here!!
Hey, Clippy! Change the settings so that I can view hidden files . Clippy: Ok. Shutting down the nuclear reactor.
Not great, not terrible…
But it was, in fact, terrible, very terrible indeed
Not great, not terrible…
I send the gif of that scene at least once a week at work over teams
There a lot of non AI implementations that would be more reliably logical, like presenting options in multiple groups instead of only having a single location buried in submenus.
Like mouse color and size could be in an appearence AND in a general mouse settings that includes mouse appearance and behavior. They could design it so the setting itself is self contained, so it can behave the same way no matter how it is grouped for presentation.
I would expect AI to make up illogical groupings, because it doesn’t understand context.
I believe they were joking since Microsoft is pushing AI into everything these days.
You’re not around a lot people that joke, are you?
Ever heard of Poe’s Law?
It isn’t a story that the Jedi would tell you.
“I’m New Clippy. I’m here to help you, like it or not!”
Even more frustrating is that different releases and builds recategorize where certain settings are entirely. To the point where search is the only reliable way of knowing for sure you’ll get to the right place. They haven’t changed things too drastically recently but they kept moving shit around in Win10 throughout its lifetime.
The older and older I get in life, the more and more I want my digital product interfaces to remain as static as possible. I’m not anti new features, but I want the ability to persist the OG interface I’m used to, the state in which I know WHERE things are, and HOW to utilize them.
I don’t want app icons to change without my consent. I want zero rebranding, name or color changes. I don’t want to be forced to change services due to enshittification, and learn how to fit new ones into my workflows.
One of the core problems with the modern world is confusion of information. Our brains were not designed to handle the infinite layer of abstractions, dozens/hundreds of separate systems, each with potentially hundreds or thousands of different configurations. Every time a major update occurs it breaks my mums tech illiterate brain more and more, and she stops using digital products more and more.
I don’t care if things stay the same, I just want an intuitive interface.
My uncle can navigate windows xp with his eyes closed. It took me years to get him there. He was fine with vista and 7. When 8 hit, it was over and it has been since.
This is a religious man who I’ve only ever heard cuss twice in his life before, and they were the milder words. “What the fuck is copy as a path? I’m just trying to copy and paste a file to my Zip drive! I can’t find computer, I can’t find my computer. I can’t find copy and paste! I’m gonna throw this thing across the room! Seriously, show more options? Why not leave the options I’ve had since 1996 where they were? Do people just not copy and paste any more?”
I have given up and I just remote connect and do it for him. He tried for a few years with the “slow down and let me learn” thing but he’s almost 70 and he’s given up.
He calls his usb drives “zip drives”. He was the only person I knew who had an actual Zip drive when I was a kid and I loved it.
This is how I feel as a software engineer. I’m sick of learning new libraries every time fashions change.
I get the feeling, but in my experience it has more to do with the windows UI actual getting worse. When I use Linux, I’m happy to try out different desktop environments and shells, but they have one thing in common: they have designs that are created more thoughtfully.
It’s not just us growing old, it’s the world of technology growing shittier too!
The only benefit is more tightly integrated Powershell commands for some of them… but even that is still lacking in a lot of areas.
Good god, this is sad to witness. As long as I’ve been using windows, they’ve added duplicates of every single thing, but presented differently, each version being slightly more incapable in slightly different ways. How can a piece of software be so utterly lacking in design and forethought is beyond me, for real.
I’m not sure what to say. Settings just doesn’t let you get anything done. Are they going to add all the missing functionality to settings before getting rid of control panel? We all know the answer.
If my company didn’t have a windows mandate I would fully abandon it at this point. What a joke.
Yup. I have 1 app that requires window. That’s all that’s keeping me. That one app. And we’re migrating away from it towards a webif, so it’s only a matter of time.
I’m curious about how this impacts the buttons in the settings app that just open the appropriate control panel applet. Like “additional sound settings” for example.
The only thing I actually like about windows. Damn.
One word. “devman”
