And the excitement I had has gone. Removed from wish list and added to ignore list.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand there it vanishes from my Wishlist. Thought after Civ 5 it might be actually something potentially worth buying, but nope. Removing the Launchers just to add Denuvo… What an absolute dumbass move.
But they’re preempting a problem they’ve never had. Certainly you can understand that, right?
There hasn’t been a need for a new Civ since IV so I already wasn’t gonna buy it, but now I’m gonna not buy it even harder.
I play freeciv (an open source civ 3.5 clone) much more often than civ 5 which I bought. I’ll agree with you. Newer civ isn’t all that attractive.
Civ 6 seems kind of dumbed down to me from previous versions. Besides, I’ve been having more fun with Crusader Kings 3 lately.
Yeah… Civ 1, 2, 3, and 4 were all good - for different reasons. Civ 5 was where the design decisions stopped being about gameplay and started being about maximising profit. Making the game functional and fun was lower priority to making paid DLC. Players buy the buggy and unfinished game… then pay more to fix it piecemeal with the DLC. Such is the power of brands and advertising.
DOA
I don’t like DRM on principle, but I have not noticed any issue with Denuvo and I have never seen any of my friends say anything either. The way people on Reddit and Lemmy act make me think I’m in the minority. What issue do people see that I’m completely oblivious to?
Many games launch with improper implementations, causing problems. Is not denuvos fault but it is one more thing to go wrong
Resources used for implementing denuvo and funds for ongoing support take away from the game development itself creating the possibility of less of a game. Denuvo is a subscription, so companies have to keep paying for it. Now they have to charge more for DLC to recover those costs. In both situations, the gamers suffer more than the companies.
DRM in general means you can’t own that thing. Steam is easily cracked if steam went out of business but firaxis or denuvo? If they go under without patching the game then it’s dead forever.
I don’t know if anyone has done a study on denuvos effect on game sales, but there have been many studies on piracy itself that show not only does piracy not steal sales, it helps promote good games through word of mouth and the demo->purchase pipeline where users want online features after trying the game. Bad games don’t get any boost but i think civ7 is safe there.
I don’t know why my brain just forgot about ownership/preservation, that really is huge deal. Thank you for educating me.
Oh. Well I was excited about Civ 7 right until this moment.
Anti-tamper = no mods worth your time = only worth playing a handful of times. Also may have trouble working on Linux.
Nope. If it does, I’m not buying it.
Denuvo?
More like De-not-gonna… ah fuck that was terrible, please ignore
I’m sure you meant De-no-go. It’s alright
no yours is hella better than wherever mine was going
Guess that’s gonna be the first Civ game I’m not buying.
I guess I’ll keep playing Civ 5, then?
Unciv is an open source version of Civ V that works on Android and PC, if you really want to lose some hours
Mobile games on PC… No thanks.
I have it on Android, it feels more like a PC game ported to Android. I quite enjoyed it.
Unciv
A real Civ game that runs on my phone? Well, damnit, my poops are about to become 3 hour marathons.
I realized it had community mods available that fill in all the missing tech and countries from the expansions/DLC, installed them, blinked and suddenly the sun was rising?
Maybe have a look at ARA that’s gonna release some time soon. It’s made by the civ5 devs and I’ve played the alpha playtest - so far it looks great
The one title of that type of genre I’m looking forward to. I hope they don’t fuck it up.
Yep they can just let me know when they figure things out.
Lords Of The Realm II just keeps winning.
i mean civ is never really worth buying until they put out a complete edition with all the features they removed so they could slowly sell them back to you as dlc.
I find this argument really annoying / entitled.
Are they supposed to increase the scope of every iteration in the series and take an extra few years to make each one, or are they supposed to never release DLC? which would make you happy?
I would like it to come out with the same number of win conditions that the previous ones had. diplomacy was a base feature in at least the last 2 games before it. it wasn’t a dlc feature before. they removed it this time, then added it back as dlc. they do shit like that every time.
I don’t think you accurately read their comment.
They’re not spending years in development planning and creating new, exciting content. They’re holding back basic features from the beginning and selling them to you over time for many times the base game’s price.
Yes because it’s a new game, putting all the features they developed in the previous base game and years of DLC would take them a long time. This is how software development works. They don’t just have everything feature toggled off…
You make it sound like they start from scratch with every new game.
Many core mechanics are different in each game, and even if they kept the code identical for the DLC mechanics the bulk of the work is asset creation, balancing, etc.
There’s no universe in which you’re right
They are right in this universe actually, just look at the sims, 4 didn’t even had infancy at launch, the baby just became a kid.
and that’s greedy and why i don’t play that series.
I don’t think they really do that. I remember Civ 6 launching with everything 5 had as DLC in base game and the DLCs added new things 5 didn’t have.
I don’t think 6 had religion or a bunch of stuff originally, it had less content than 5 at launch (forget the civs, just the mechanics). That was fixed in the first major update.
I’d expect a year or 2 before we can start seeing 7 become the full game it needs to get to to pass 6.
6 definitely had religion at launch. IGN actually declared “This game will go down in history as the most fully-featured launch version in the 25-year series.”
that’s a weird thing to say about a game that came out without diplomacy or diplomatic victories. but ign has a long history of overating games from waelthy companies.
Sure but the fully fleshed out diplomatic victory in Civ V was only added by DLC, it’s not that crazy that the equivalent was a DLC in VI. Beyond that, things like religion, archaeology, and espionage were all DLC features in V but were base game in VI. It was a clear step forward on the whole.
it was diplomacy that that stripped then re-added. in base civ 6 there was no diplomacy. that’s ridiculous. that’s like one of the most core mechanics and win conditions. then when they did add it it was so busted that you’ll often accidentally get a diplo victory on your way to any other victory.
civ 6 literally added diplomatic victory back as a dlc
Except for the Aztecs and Poland I think.
Eh I don’t really count civs I guess. I was just counting features like religion and stuff like that. The civs are usually pretty cheap and they don’t really change the game that much.
Try unciv
Was looking forward to buying this on release day, but won’t if it has that bullshit.
Hahaha no.
With what?
A DRM that usually adds annoyances to the end consumer so that the developers don’t have to worry about their IP getting pirated for a few months to years.
Then the pirated version still slows your system down because it bundles a crypto miner
I’m gonna wait for the platinum ultimate mega collector’s anthology edition at a 90% discount after 7 years.
I’m still only on turn 270 in my first Civ3 game, don’t have time for a newer version, Ghandi’s bombers have almost all finished moving this month.
Ghandi must be taking it easy on you.
