If I told a woman to shut the fuck up and told her it was because it’s a “man topic” would that be ok too? Or does sexism only work one way?
Your sexism is one directional, yes.
Power imbalances exist in our society, such that women on the whole are the oppressed, and men the oppressors.
Therefore, the same situation is not equitable, depending on who is in control.
Craig and CBS are the patriarchy and in control, and Carrie is the resistance. She is permitted to rise up (in small or large part) against the patriarchy, because the power imbalance existed then as it does now.
So no, it’s not okay for you to tell women to shut the fuck up. If anything, they might listen if you listened.
I’ve never oppressed anyone, I’m a native so I know about oppression but it comes from your men and women towards ours
I mean, this is like having a discussion about reservations in a room full of natives, but the only people speaking are white
If you asked the men in the audience a question about a personal, not social, issue, and a woman host tried to answer, you’d be entirely right in telling her to hold her damn horses, you weren’t asking her.
but … but we’re supposed to be oppressed! they’re trying to kill us all!
IT’S SO HARD FOR A MAN TO LIVE IN A WOMAN’S WORLD !!!
I don’t specifically remember that episode of the late, great, Late Show with Craig Ferguson, but EVERY SINGLE APPEARANCE of the people’s princess was magical.
They played off each other so masterfully and both were just their honest selves.
She gave him a set of novelty dried kangaroo testicles on one visit that he regifted to a woman explorer with MS who was going to North Pole.
Craig was, and still is, the master of 1 on 1 interviews.
Conan comes close in his podcast, but doesn’t quite reach the same level
Conan’s podcast is fantastic in that regard. I never watched his show much for a variety of reasons, but I can’t get enough of his podcast.
Craig’s podcast is nearly the same level as his talk show, but it’s really dependent upon the guest. Diedrich Bader was quite entertaining.
They kinda swapped roles on the podcast circuit 😀
Craig is going for deep conversations and Conan is completely off the hook.
If I am going to need to run, or even take stairs briskly, I need a bra. Or it’s going to sting.
I take off mine the moment I step through the door after work. Necessary for outings and exercise yes, but still wouldn’t say I “like” wearing them.
is there a fediverse version of /r/abrathatfits ?
There are not enough women in the fediverse to maintain femme-centric communities.
Most of the ones I used to be subscribed to shut down due to being abandoned/unmodded. And they turned out that way because of harassment.
It’s a huge issue that no one will address. Mostly because they will be harassed.
It sucks.
Wow, I had no idea it was like that here, that’s terrible :(
Yeah… it really is.
That, unfortunately, is why I will never suggest Lemmy to people and why it will never be a viable option for most. Maybe that will change when the absolute batshit hostility stops, but considering all the communities lost… nah.
I think it may be worth a shot to retry. There are trans and furry communities (which are smaller and similarly harassed populations) that seem to be thriving just fine. It’s just important to consider what instance they are formed on. Something like blahaj.zone?
The issue is that women should be free to discuss women’s issues without being harassed. And sometimes those issues include men. That’s when the harassment starts.
Hell, there was an article posted when I first joined about women-only taxi services and I went in to comment my excitement and support! Only to be greeted with some of the most vile comments and insincere, shitty discussion I’d seen in a loooong time.
I’m not ““tough”” enough to moderate my own community that would inevitably put both it & myself as a target of harassment. Not going to risk putting myself through that. I’m stressed enough as it is.
14 year olds will always roam the internet
That’s a very dismissive statement, and I’m sure that Lemmy isn’t exclusively 14-year olds. Demographicly, it’s populated with grown men who should know better.
“There are no people here so I tell people not to come here.”
Do you see the issue?
That is clearly not why they are telling people not to come here
I’m a dude. Can I help?
Yes. Always.
The easiest way is to shut down blatent sexism you see around in posts and comments. I wouldn’t even be aggressive about it. Just a “hey, that’s not cool” and downvote.
Problem is, a lot of folks are “jokingly” sexist, while also only kinda joking? Either way, I think there’s a line, but it’s going to be different for everyone, and I’m definitely not sure that I’m the one who gets to draw it. But when women are seeing openly gross posts about women, it is very off-putting and will cause them to shun a community.
Thanks. That makes total sense. I’m pretty grossed out by most tropes so my tolerance for what’s “just joking” is minimal. I believe I do what you suggest IRL. My 8 yr old son does too. There’s a great Ted talk called feminism is a man’s problem or something that reshaped my perspective many years ago - we have to use our privileges to upstand bc only haves can give power, have nots can’t just manifest it. In any hierarchical dichotomy. I try to make space in work meetings and help people feel comfortable speaking and telling those with the privilege to be comfortable to stfu sometimes. I think the difficult part for some men (I know how those words sound together!) is reconciling wanting to help but not knowing how to ask whether it’s welcome and they fear it’ll be construed as offensive. Perhaps bc society allows boys will be boys, and they’re never taught how to communicate boundaries.
There are not enough women in the fediverse to maintain femme-centric communities.
Or maybe they rather mask a man / gender neutral. Internet is not a friendly place to have girl oriented conversations. I made the mistake to be open about my gender with this account and the odacity of people is astonishing.
That’s what I mean.
And it should not be this way.
The fediverse vehemently defends & will happily accommodate trans folk. That’s fantastic! But they’ll be openly hostile to cis women?
It’s baffling.
Makes me think that Lemmy is not actually as progressive as they are always claiming to be.
Then don’t wear them?
Not really socially acceptable in many parts of the world.
A big salty tear. Stand up for what you believe in otherwise life isn’t worth living.
That’s not an option for everyone. Not everyone is ready to be the difference, to face the social shunning, bullying, gossip, disgusted or lascivious looks or, in some countries, the danger of being charged for a crime. Mostly people just want to continue with their lives - that are worth living to them for other reasons, often just for the life itself - they have only one. And we’re talking about such a silly natural thing as a nipple. I do appreciate every brave individual that is ready to break social norms.
Nothing has ever been willing given. Someone had to sacrifice or taken it by Force.
In solidarity, I’m going to start wearing latex shorts that clearly outline my pen…and I’m arrested immediately.
Either sexuality is taboo or it’s not. Unfortunately, it is still taboo.
If I don’t wear a bra my nipples will show prominently through nearly every one of my tops though
Welcome to the club? My buddy T-dogis like Mr glass nipples big deal. This is the same argument why woman can’t go topless but men can.
Your buddy’s boobs probably aren’t sexualized like women’s boobs are. It’s not just nipples. And there are plenty of other reasons that women wear bras: lift, shape, and believe it or not, even comfort for some of us who are pretty large.
Doesn’t this loop back around to saying one does like wearing them then?
Do I like wearing clothes, no. But I wear them to prevent sunburn, cover places that may be deemed sexual exposure, and cover my insecurities. So if someone asked me if I like wearing clothes in public, I suppose my answer is no, but yes. The period where men wore boxers over boxer briefs or just briefs showed that many men aren’t worried about wearing underwear for support.
I guess I just wish my boobs were smaller.
