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Good job Debian.
The “safety” thing is a bit hyperbolic. I wish they’d just say “the quality of the interactions is going down” or “poor moderation” or something else a little more honest.
Twitter is a shitty platform in structure, format, and moderation. I’m glad Debian’s not on it. But I am disappointed in them for using hyperbolic rhetoric.
Safe is a very broad term. Its not being used hyperbolically here. It’s not referring to physical safety.
Yeah I’m aware that it means “emotional safey” the way they’re using it. But they’re still being hyperbolic, because emotional safety in the context of opinions on the Internet is just not meaningful. In a relationship one can speak of emotional safety in context of emotional manipulation or violence, but on a microblogging platform? The axiom of Tyler the Creator still applies, and we’re not even talking about targeted harassment.
didn’t even knew they had an account there, good can’t see how twitter could ever be a good fit for Debian values or any person with who care about foss.
Maybe we’ll go back to forums.
I hope BBS’s make a comeback. Pixilated titles and all…
I’ve been working on writing my own forum in C# lately. Meant to look like some places I went on back in 2009-ish
I mean, have you seen YetAnotherForum.net? .Net Core, PostgreSQL/MySQL Support and the old VBulletin styling from the hayday of internet forums.
How does one not feel safe on a digital platform? Even if someone physically threatens you, nothing is going to happen to you. And you can block/mute people you don’t care for.
Digital platforms have promoted genocide. https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/asa16/5933/2022/en/ Blocking people you don’t care for would have no impact here.
Leaving the platform would have no impact either. You are talking about something different.
If you ask me, this looks like a big possibility, as X/Twitter’s evident bias towards the newly established U.S. government and their favoring of one demographic over the other could have set off Debian’s move.
That’s just me speculating, though. 🙃
No, you got it right. I get that you need to cover your ass to avoid a lawsuit, but it’s exactly because a guy who loves the adoration of nazis owns the platform.
Ship ship ship!
Fuck X.com, all my homies use wayland.social
It’s not loading for me. Is that instance up?
Oh, that’s sad. See https://mastodon.social/@compositor@wayland.social for some of their posts.
citing concerns over values and diversity.
Sigh. It’s always for the dumbest reasons that people leave these abusive platforms.
Drag values not being a Nazi and X doesn’t. This isn’t a dumb reason to stop using it.
You’re just supporting whichever platform censors what you don’t like.
Fuck off, placating Nazis does more damage to free speech than any of this.
It is a valid reason, it is also perfectly moral to use violence against Nazis.
Gonna ignore you bud.
Hope you find peace someday.
There will be peace when we have killed enough Nazis.
Right. Just completely ignore the disparity in wealth…
Gonna ignore you now btw. Goodbye.
Yeah sounds about right, enjoy your failed state.
shutting out a significant portion of your community without seeking their input first isn’t a sensible move for such a foundational open source project.
Ironic when X shuts out anyone who isn’t logged in and shuts out anyone who doesn’t pay for a blue checkmark from having visible replies.
Having an X account isn’t consequence-free - if it becomes where updates occur, people have to sign up for an account and subject themselves to nazis everywhere and all manner of crypto spam just to see updates. And they have to pay Elon tribute to be heard in response. It’s crazy that anyone sees it as being friendly to users.
Were they using Twitter to provide exclusive updates not available anywhere else?
My impression from the post is that they are publishing the exact same updates in multiple locations, including mastodon at https://framapiaf.org/@debian …so just because they were publishing in that one extra site to make it accessible to a particular subset of people does not mean all other people were being shut off from receiving updates.
However, I do agree with the move, but only because Debian being a FOSS initiative should stay away from proprietary platforms and promote FOSS.
Kinda wondering who in that community is going to bat for Elon Musk after the last two weeks.
Nazis.
Agreed. Notably, Bluesky doesn’t require an account to read posts.
Yet
I don’t know enough detail about ATproto, but I wonder if it’s technically possible to block access to posts without also blocking federation. From what I’ve heard the functionality is more modular than Activitypub (content indexing being a separate service from content hosting) so I wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t possible.
shutting out a significant portion of your community without seeking their input first isn’t a sensible move for such a foundational open source project.
It actually is a perfectly sensible move, and it doesn’t “shut out” anyone. If anything, prioritizing twitter is what shuts users out. They linked to two-three alternatives. What’s the argument here, exactly, from the other side?
I think the argument is that those alternatives already existed before. Twitter was not being prioritized, it was essentially mirroring the content already available in RSS, mastodon, etc. So effectively, there’s now one less place where the news will be visible.
However, I do agree with the move, but only because Debian being a FOSS initiative should stay away from proprietary platforms and promote FOSS, even if it means effectively “shutting off” a portion of users who don’t wanna leave the twitter bubble.
When it forces you to log in to view stuff, it’s usefulness as a platform for announcements is substantially lessened.
I’d even say, the usefullness is fully gone.
Imagine being so fragile you can’t tolerate opposing viewpoints.
I wont downvote you but you arent undestanding it. People like Trump and Musk are radical ones and they want “to clean” LGBT+ under view of “they are pedophiles”. Trump is said to be “anti vaccines” but he paid in advance for them and he wrote 200 orders like Javier Milei super law of basis, (ley omnibus) with modifications for 300+ laws. This is an anti democratic behaviour.
I don’t respect Nazis
I don’t mind opposing views. I do mind views that say some of my family members or some of my friends should kill themselves. I have no business on a platform that allows such hateful conduct, end of story.
It’s a matter of basic decency and respect.
Imagine your view point is aligning with Musk one… You’re either a billionaire or a dumb looser thinking is a part of a club he isn’t in
Imagine being so fragile you get shook by people leaving
My town’s subreddit just started a policy to disallow links to X for similar reasons.
There is a movement to avoid the platform.
The reasons (summarized using Copilot):
- The platform no longer aligns with Debian’s values, social contract, code of conduct, and diversity statement.
- Concerns over X becoming a place where people they care about don’t feel safe.
- Abuse on the platform happening without consequences.
- Issues with misinformation and lack of moderation.
bad bot
Did it make a mistake?
Doesn’t look like it… It’s ‘AI bad’.
Ah I see. This is getting ridiculous.
AI is bad!
We don’t need to use all this water and energy just to avoid having to click on news articles.
