So I made a comment on worldnews criticizing Chinese activity in the south china sea and apparently got banned for it by the automod. This happen to anyone else? Is this Lemmy’s version of the need help post and the shape of things to come?
The instance I posted in was Lemmy.ml
Tankies have occupied the post!
Nope. But I’m banned from climate for not liking that little climate girl.
Block these instances: lemmy.ml lemmygrad.ml hexbear.net
There is no point arguing with tankies. They are dumb and they won’t change. I just hope there will be a way to completely block those users including their comments. They are polluting the fediverse.
It’s a bit extreme to block the entirety of Lemmy.ml, no?
to join lemmy.ml you need to copy and paste a paragraph from a communist text, so, no
? Since when. I used to have an account there months ago when I migrated from reddit. I don’t think I would have missed that at the time
Yeah I had an account there too and I set it up like every other account. Found out later on that ml was Marxist Lennin so I setup shop at lemm.ee instead
.ml is the top level domain for the country of Mali. .ml domains are free, so it is just a coincidence. Also, Marxist-Leninism is not a ‘tankie’ theory, by itself. There are plenty of communists and socialists that aren’t simps for China and Russia.
I would even say that you can’t be a true communist and support either of these countries, because these countries are not communist at all. They are just authoritarian capitalistic hellholes, with sprinkles of social policies to give the illusion of pursuing a communist society.
Dessalines, lemmy dev and admin of both lemmygrad and lemmy.ml, is a Dengist. And not exactly coy about it.
And don’t even fucking start to pretend it’s “lemmygrad dot mali”.
thanks for the heads up. I just unjoined all lemmy.ml communities, and blocked the instance. That sort of censorship is not a good thing.
ml is usually decent. Hexbear is where things go off the rails
lol
The .ml stands for Marxist /Leninist.
Funny, communists always insist China isn’t communist at all, so why would they care about it being criticized?
Tankies aren’t that type of communist, that is, sane. Tankies are auth rights disguised as leftists.
Aren’t tankies authoritarian leftists? What’s “right” about them?
It was !worldnews@lemmy.ml … so yeah, almost anyone that say anything against China. It’s a tankie instance.
Use !world@lemmy.world instead.
Lemmy.ml is only a tankie instance to someone that thinks Marxism=tankies
That said, at least one of the Worldnews mods is a pretty evident Pooh Poster.
They’ll let people call out the more aggressive bullshit “America bad” rhetoric but if you even look at China funny you’re going to eat a permaban.
The Thread you posted to was https://apnews.com/article/malaysia-china-australia-anwar-ibrahim-b4d75a8423b5265bec1a05d69231965f
and you dismissed all the other guys in the thread posting nuance with this vibes-based comment:
Based on what china is doing to fishing and military boats from the Philippines, I doubt they’re just after ‘transit’. They’re making a territorial claim. Not much different from Russia’s claim on Ukraine, except that its happening in international waters.
Your account is 4 days old. No one cares what color yankee you are mate.
take the L, read more, and maybe don’t only believe western narrative, and you’ll do just fine. Youll even learn something.
I reccommend you stick around and read things that challenge your worldview. you dont have to believe everything you read, but you should always critically analyze yourself and your position, just in case.
While I appreciate challenging my worldview, the issue with Lemmy.ml is the users who tend to uncritically accept Russian and Chinese propaganda, and many are very hostile to outside perspectives. If there were open and good faith discussion I think it would be of more value, but instead they just ban anyone with outside perspectives. This type of “discussion” has little to contribute to the broader community.
On this specific issue I really haven’t seen anything that challenges the idea that China is engaging in imperialism here. Do you have any recommended reading that challenges the western narrative?
Do you have any recommended reading that challenges the western narrative?
Id be happy to oblige if i can. Are you looking for something specific to the South China Sea?
I got a short timeline of domestic relations between manilla and beijing from reuter anyway to start the ball rollin’
Yeah I was asking about the South China Sea. I think the summation of events there supports what OP posted and I’m curious if there is any alternative viewpoint that is factually supported.
The link you posted seems in line with my and OP’s views on the conflict.
I thought it was a nice summary showing that the US is involved in building more military bases in the area. China appears worried about the US grabbing more hegemony and military strength along that important trade route.
Viewed through that lens it seems somewhat similar to the Cuban missile crisis, but i don’t want to get into a subjective battle comparing apples to oranges.
China is a rising political and economic force worldwide and the US has a vested interest in stopping them. I see no distinction between what they and we are doing.
Takes pressupposing US benevolence and Chinese imperialism kinda get me back up, and I’ve seen alot of editorialized and biased headlines from supposed unbiased sources that could be the source of these.
Generally i am gonna disagree with a blanket statement like OPs deleted one when i see so much shit like this:
Within that article lies this statement,7 paragraphs down:
“We don’t have any scientific study or any evidence that would suggest that cyanide fishing in Bajo de Masinloc can be attributed to the Chinese or the Vietnamese fishermen,” GMA News quoted a coast-guard spokesperson, Commodore Jay Tarriela, as saying.
But the title states it as fact.
Yeah I mean there is certainly a case to be made that US actions are threatening to China, and it’s also true that pro-US propaganda exists. These are good things to be aware of.
But I also think that this conversation about US vs Chinese interests does not adequately elevate the experiences of smaller countries in the region. Most of whom have voluntarily cooperated with the US to counter Chinese aggression.
Of course, it’s largely true that the US is pursuing their own interests in the region. But that fact does not mean we need to defend Chinese aggression. We should be looking at which actions are beneficial and liberatory to the people who live there, and which are harmful. In my view, Chinese activity is more harmful and imperialistic in the current context. But I am open to learning about and acknowledging the harms that the US is doing as well.
My issue with the Lemmy.ml perspective is that they view US actions in the most unfavorable light possible while viewing Chinese actions in the most positive light possible (usually in direct contradiction to the known facts). When this asymmetry in interpretation is pointed out, their community reacts with hostility or bans. Usually using some nebulous idea of racial prejudice as a justification.
It’s ironic because these are the exact same tactics used by apologists for Israel, which they absolutely hate over there. Authoritarians always use the same tactics it seems.
But I also think that this conversation about US vs Chinese interests does not adequately elevate the experiences of smaller countries in the region.
I am interested in this too, no sarcasm. Id like to read the perspective of the small countries caught up in this. Ill are if i can find anything interestinng.
We should be looking at which actions are beneficial and liberatory to the people who live there, and which are harmful
Neither actions of either country attempting to control trade and resources in the South China Sea will be liberatory, and i am cynical of a major material benefit for the people of the region.
In my view, Chinese activity is more harmful and imperialistic in the current context
I would like to hear more about that context. The context of the harm to the small countries? How are Chinese actions more imperialistic than the US actions there?
I think we could talk more probably! Ill see what i can find
