Victoria Antoinette

copying isn’t stealing

that’s not funding.

I seem to recall that the anonymity of car is based on obscuring transactions through bundling, but that method was deanonymized by poisoning wallrts somehow. this was like 10 years ago so my memory is fuzzy.

i thought monero’s mixer was show to be susceptible to poisoning.

enough people going vegan would probably have a noticeable effect on the animal agriculture industry.

certainly, but perhaps not the effect you are expecting. your assertion that you know what their reaction would be, and that it would be to accept making less money, is just not likely true.

so your want is binary either you do want it, or you don’t, and there are no degrees?

Yeah, I stopped, and it has had an impact.

great! can you show me on this chart?

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/meat-production-tonnes?tab=chart&country=~OWID_WRL

can you see how your want is not quantifiable? how much did you want a hamburder? could you have wanted it less? would that have decreased the supply? this is pure storytelling.

I’d like to see evidence of the opposite happening to be honest.

gladly. despite the high value of faberge eggs, no more are produced. despite the high value of epipens, enough have not been produced to make them affordable to all who might want one. of course, this doesn’t actually quantify demand, and i’m still not sure how that can be done.

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despite no demand for iphones in 2004, they were subsequently produced.

The goal of the business was to make money so when their product stopped making money they stopped producing it.

but they could have changed their values. they could have decided that the goal was not to make money, but to cover the earth, nay, the solar system with vcrs. but they didnt. they chose other values, and tried to act in a way that would uphold those values. they choose the values. they choose the action. i have no resposibility for others choices in this regard.

but global supply has increased since then. you also haven’t quantified demand.

you said they don’t make them, but that was a lie, and i called it out.

did you try stopping? did it have any impact?

how do you quantify demand and can you show me a case where it has ever been true?

when you state a falsehood, and i call it out, it’s not pedantry: it’s honesty.

it’s a fallacious form of reasoning where claiming that the correlation of events implies causation. “it happened after, therefore it was caused by” as in… veganism increased with policing and surveillance.

they stopped making them

you can still buy them new.

When there was no money in VHS they stopped making them.

post hoc, ergo propter hoc

“influences” is a pretty weasley word. show me a formula that actually (as in, verifiably) predicts how “demand” (a pretty weasley word itself) influences supply (probably the only concept for which we will be able to produce quantifiable numbers)

Shared responsibility applies to this discussion.

it would if my interactions with the agriculture industry were anything like your analogy. they’re not, so it doesn’t.