More efficient manufacturing, falling battery costs and intense competition are lowering sticker prices for battery-powered models to within striking distance of gasoline cars.

  • TheWeirdestCunt@lemm.ee
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    27 days ago

    Bringing down the dealership price means fuck all if they’re worthless on the second hand market, unless there’s some miracle tech that prevents the battery capacity from dropping like a lead balloon internal combustion engines are never going away. A car from the 50s can still travel the same distance on a full tank but an electric car from the early 2010s can barely get around a car park on a full charge.

    Hydrogen is the way to go, it can be created using clean energy and it’s exhaust tends to be cleaner than the air it took in.

    Toyota managed to run an engine from the 80s on high pressure hydrogen with barely any alterations and there have been trials where mains gas in the uk has been replaced with hydrogen. We’re so close to having the access required to transition to hydrogen but there’s only one or two models that can use it rn.

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      Hydrogen all day…there’s people who converted their pickups on YouTube that I saw like 10 years ago…just a guy in his driveway. Zero reason why companies haven’t done this yet other then sheer ignorance or greed from oil, or both.

      I personally don’t trust EVs to fix anything…it just takes control away from end user and makes 2nd hand market almost nonexistent

      • fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        Zero reason why companies haven’t done this yet other then sheer ignorance or greed from oil, or both.

        Or maybe it’s because hydrogen tanks take up a fuck ton of space and are impractical because of it. The Toyota Mirai has a horribly small trunk for a vehicle it’s size. In anything smaller and you have almost no trunk. And retrofitting it into a car not designed for it? Good luck getting any reasonably sized tank in there without hacking away at the floor and making your own.

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          Let’s also not forget that a big gas cylinder of hydrogen is basically explodium waiting to go bang in a crash as well

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            Pretty sure that they tested those hydrogen tanks for safety and they really don’t cause issues. There’s loads of safety systems in there.

            The biggest issue that I have with hydrogen tanks is that the hydrogen makes those tanks brittle over time. I recall that those tanks need replacing every 8 years. Again, that’s due to the hydrogen, it’s not due to how much it was driven.

            There is often suggestions that an EV battery doesn’t last, see some comments here. Hydrogen tank issue is ignored for whatever reason.

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      because hydrogen is a storage problem. Toyota is waiting and expecting government to build the infrastructure when its supposed to be pushing for the interest in it themselves.

      the major reason why EVs won was the Tesla charging network, and unless Toyota is commited to investing in the equivalent to it, its not going anywhere. the biggest reason is EVs being able to be charged at home, something the current infrastructure of hydrogen lacks.

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        Building up our modern railed transit network and expanding people powered transit together is the only solution we have that’s been demonstrably successful for cities in the long term.

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      27 days ago

      car from the 50s can still travel the same distance on a full tank

      How much have you spent in maintenance over the last 70 years to even keep it running?

      an electric car from the early 2010s can barely get around a car park

      Not even remotely true.

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        Assuming you need a new battery every 10 years or so considering that’s their usual lifespan you’re looking at spending $70,000-$140,000 at 10,000 - 20,000 per battery according to a quick Google search. Do you really think that someone is spending $2,000 a year just making sure a tiny roadster that was designed to be repaired with a spanner on a driveway can run?

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          Again, not true.

          https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a31875141/electric-car-battery-life/

          If the battery is at less than 70% at 8 years, they’ll replace it free. My 10 year old Volt is still doing close enough to what it was new that I can’t tell the difference. It’s not like the battery just goes poof and turns into smoke after 10 years.

          A tiny roadster from the 50s is what, an MG, Fiat, maybe a Triumph? Any one of them are probably spending more time getting repaired than actually driving.

          Keeping a car from the 50s running today isn’t just tightening a bolt here and there anymore. Even sourcing the parts is likely going to be non-trivial at this point.