Here we go, the first Presidential debate between Biden and Trump begins at 9 PM Eastern/6 PM Pacific.

How to watch it:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/25/politics/how-to-watch-cnn-debate/index.html

"The CNN Presidential Debate will air live on CNN, CNN International and CNN en Español, and via streaming on Max for subscribers and without a cable login on CNN.com. CNN will make the debate available to simulcast on additional broadcast and cable news networks.

You can also follow CNN’s live debate coverage on CNN.com, which will include analysis and fact checking."

"According to parameters set by CNN in May, all participating debaters had to appear on a sufficient number of state ballots to reach the 270 electoral vote threshold to win the presidency and receive at least 15% in four separate national polls of registered or likely voters that meet CNN’s standards for reporting.

Polls that meet those standards are those sponsored by CNN, ABC News, CBS News, Fox News, Marquette University Law School, Monmouth University, NBC News, The New York Times/Siena College, NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist College, Quinnipiac University, The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post."

Edit And that’s it! Thanks for watching everyone!

tl;dw:

Consensus is Trump didn’t so much as beat Biden as Biden beat himself.

The real loser is CNN who failed to fact check anyone, and there were obvious fact checks on both sides.

  • JDPoZ@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    4 days ago

    FDR threw 200,000 Americans into concentration camps.

    Yep… Congrats, Captain Obvious. Guess what? All presidents are shitty. He also helped us push to start building “the bomb” after Pearl Harbor.

    • Truman helped pass the Marshal Plan to rebuild all of Europe… but also dropped those 2 atomic bombs on civilian cities, killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians.
    • LBJ got us in to Vietnam proper. But he also pushed to pass the Civil Rights Act.
    • Obama passed the Affordable Healthcare Act, but increased drone strikes 10-fold.
    • Eisenhower gave us the Interstate Highway, but went along with anti-left coups all over South America (lots of the other presidents also did this sort of stuff, too, unfortunately)
    • FDR passed social security, helped get us out of the Great Depression, passed the GI bill, made electricity accessible to rural areas, gave us the Warren court - AKA the only non-conservative Supreme court in the last 100 years (Miranda rights, Brown v Board of education, right to attorney even if you can’t afford it, etc.)

    So I count FDR on the RELATIVE (not absolute) “good” side of US presidents… who are all shitty overall to lesser degrees at best.

    • the_crotch@sh.itjust.works
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      3 days ago

      I’d rather focus on the negative. Take away what these bastards value most, their legacy. A bad person who does a few good things is still a bad person and should be remembered as a bad person. If future presidents see them getting dragged through the mud instead of lauded because MUH FREE MONEY maybe they’d think twice about being dickbags.

      who are all shitty overall to lesser degrees at best.

      Lesser degrees? Really? Lesser than putting Americans in concentration camps? Yeah, some were worse, but FDR isn’t anywhere near the top of the ‘good guy’ scale. At best he’s somewhere in the middle.

      • JDPoZ@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 days ago

        FDR isn’t anywhere near the top of the ‘good guy’ scale. At best he’s somewhere in the middle.

        Please enlighten me - name a handful of options who would be “near the top” - or hell… just above FDR? I’m curious to know who would go there besides Abraham Lincoln.

        • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          3 days ago

          I’d go there.

          Elect me.

          I totally promise not to be an asshole.

          (Oh, I’d totally be an asshole.) (but I’d happily ram a progressive agenda down people’s throats anyway…) (still. Don’t vote for me.)