Young voters did this, ironically enough, according to BBC World News. Young people struggling to get jobs after graduation think that right wing parties will fix that.
So as older generations are trying not to hand-off a burning planet to the young, the young are signing up for a burning planet under some delusion that right wingers will get them jobs. Schools have apparently failed to teach kids that the jobs they get under conservative governance are shit jobs – lousy pay and lousy benefits.
The Nazi Party’s popularity increased in the early 1930s partly because of its pledge to do what no other political party had been able to accomplish: pull Germany out of the Great Depression and put Germans back to work.
put Germans back to work
Well they weren’t wrong … :-/
They did it by putting women out of work
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I think the most important topic right now is confronting the climate change and the problems it is going to cause, on every level local, regional, national and international. This looming crisis is going to affect everything and everyone on an existential level, and requires every of these government levels, even every individual, to fucking work and to fucking stand together.
And now my compatriots elect AfD.
One is easy to perceive as bad and the other takes some thinking about to really appreciate.
Yes but have you considered that brown people are to blame for all these things? And that they are also fictional lies by The Left ™ to scare you away from the horrible brown people?
And the homersexuels. Can’t forget what they did to help the brown folks.
Also, it’s clearly way more important that we let Chinese Intelligence Operations in broad daylight tell our youths to vote for nazis to destabilize the regions rather than peacefully coexist and solve our problems. After all, how else will we get communism if not that? /s
The whole “Fascism is coming from china!” thing is a conspiracy theory though, isn’t it? Private media in the west are owned by western private media, not by Chinese psyops, and the funding that right wing influencers get in social media isn’t from China either. The problem doesn’t come from outside, it’s literally inside.
China benefits from destabilizing the west (and India). Their online campaigns on various social media networks tend to promote misinformation, which correlates highly with conservative and far-right ideologies. TikTok in particular served as a pipeline into far right radicalization.
I’m not denying there is a problem within, and I’m not claiming China only pushes far right, but to claim that Chinese operations aren’t noticeably impacting western politics in the most negative ways possible is just pure ignorance.
TikTok is originally Chinese, but most other social media is from the US. Would you argue that the rise of far-right content in YouTube, Facebook or Instagram is also a consequence of the Chinese government?
China’s policy hasn’t been to destabilize Europe, it’s been to get closer commercially, for example with the Belt and Road initiative. Unless you bring further evidence than “TikTok is Chinese” (with it being the only Chinese social media we use), or “China benefits from it”, it’s nothing but speculation, which is absolutely unnecessary since the very far-right content creators from Europe and the US are from those countries and also funded by western organizations such as the Atlas Foundation.
I can’t say exactly the scope of Chinese influence on YT or FB/IG, but we know they’re 100% present. In fact, some time ago, CCP propaganda was flooding YT Shorts with machine generated content. We also know that FB have in the past been used for largescale campaigns to influence elections, they were fined 5 Billion USD by the FTC over the Cambridge Analytica scandal alone and pay similar fines frequently in Europe.
Yes, these sorts of operations are pretty commonly carried out by all of the world powers, but that’s the highest form of whataboutism. It’s a problem now that negatively affects us, it’s not hypocritical to want to solve the problem. And China is #1 most problematic, in part because it’s a top world power and a dictatorship and also because of the scale and frequency of their attacks on democracy.
China has been closing off it’s commercial sector, recently. It plans to import less to allow their local corporations to dominate markets.
I can’t say exactly the scope of Chinese influence on YT or FB/IG
We also know that FB have in the past been used for largescale campaigns to influence elections, they were fined 5 Billion USD by the FTC over the Cambridge Analytica scandal alone and pay similar fines frequently in Europe.
And China is #1 most problematic, […] also because of the scale and frequency of their attacks on democracy.
Thank you for proving exactly my point that you’re talking out of your ass, and you’re capable of contradicting yourself in one comment
Climate change is literally on position 4 out of 5 for voters. People are absolute fucking morons and at this point I think we should just go extinct. This is ridiculous.
If you can’t afford your bills you don’t care about climate change.
Edit: I know, that climate change will only worsen your financial situation, but a lot of people don’t see the long term effects on them and the economy.
If you can’t afford your bills you don’t care about climate change.
Well, then you should even more care about climate change. Like I said, morons. But we all know that the rise of the far right isn’t because of people’s bills.
The Bad financial Situation of people is one reason why people tend to vote for the right wing parties. Its not the only one, but its part of the problem.
The main & absolute biggest reason is racism. And again:
Like I said, morons.
Because I’m sure your house getting swept away in the third flood to break records that month is REALLY gonna help your bills!
Well, the conservatives will sure help the little man to have more money in their pockets. (PSA: they won’t)
Also, if the land you live on is flooded or dries out, you can’t live there anymore. That’s the far greater threat to peoples’ existence. They just think they’ll be among the lucky survivors and only some nasty brown people will die.
It seems anti-immigration is driving all these right wing votes. And xenophobia manifests from the naïve idea that immigrants will somehow reduce incomes.
What is the priority then? I guess the sensible option would be to tax the rich more, and fight for a better distribution of wealth, right?
But that is not at all what the blue and right parties are standing for, quite the contrary.
Part of the reason why you can’t afford your bills is climate change and it’s going to get worse, doesn’t prevent people from taking their car to drive 500m to drop their kids to school!
society was a mistake. just make it end fast.
Humanity can go extinct. We deserve it. I feel bad for all the animals we kill along with us.
It’s difficult to extinct us. If will take a thousand years of volcanoes, bad harvests, pandemics without vaccines, etc.
We’re just so many now.
What’s a lot faster is to wipe away the achievements of civilization, pushing us back into a state where starvation, disease and suffering are the norm and not the exception.
And now the right will go and ignore the migration issue (as solving it will cost them votes) and go ahead and make other shit right wing policy.
Farmers that do not grow crops for direct human consumption should not get subsidies.
You act as though they could “solve the migration issue” even if they wanted.
Oh they absolutely could and would but they know “solving” it would expose them for the fascists they are (case in point there have been several “isolated cases” of AfD politicians behind closed doors literally demanding migrants be shot at the borders)
Why are nonaligned shown to the right instead of in the middle?
Unfortunately they’re not the non aligned of HoI4
Most likely because they’re at the bottom of the list and the seat color follows the same order
Not really? Then the left would also be on the right
Derp… maybe I should have taken another look at the picture before commenting. I think my brain just picked out yellow near the top of the list and yellow a few colors from the left and went “sure that’s the same order”
Where is Volt?
Edit: green
Are you sure? I thought they were part of renew
They fucking switched after I checked! I’m not joking!
I’m saddened by the result. I wonder what the cause is for this.
Lots of reports of massive funding by Russia in influence campaigns.
Is this why people say Putin is evil smart? While making mistakes, it doesn’t matter in the large scheme of screwing with the opponent
Putin is a former KGB agent. He’s good at the things that the KGB were good at, because that’s how he was trained. Foreign influence is one of those things that he’s very good at thanks to that training, and Russia has been good at for a very long time, actually. So it’s kind of one of Russia’s core competencies.
Looks like Russia influenced the bigger countries more and got far right in. Meanwhile Nordics had cleaner elections and Leftists rose the most
Idiocy and xenophobia.
I don’t know the causes, but dark times lie ahead of us.
This is what neoliberalism ignoring the needs of anyone who isn’t a billionaire for couple of decades gets you.
Well, that and the political left selling out.
Look at all those parties! The American mind struggles to comprehend this.
While I am all for laughing at the 'Muricans for making themselves out to be the prime democratic nation on the planet while having the choice between a conservative and an ultra-conservative party only, this time, we cannot indulge in this kind of thing to feel superior. We need to make sure we actually stay superior now, which… isn’t a given anymore.
‘Haha you guys only have the choice between conservative and far-right’
only elects conservatives and far-right
-us europeans rn
The 2nd biggest fraction is center-left, and the third is mostly-center (although one might argue that one quite a lot)
Centrism is your feudal lord agreeing that serfs have rights.
Yep…
That one hurts.
And those are just the party coalitions, where the different national parties that are sent from all 27 countries form groups based on common agendas
Wonderful
I know! It looks like a fkn rainbow!
As a latent American, apparently, I also struggle to make sense of it (I’m planning to research those parties, but haven’t gotten to it yet)
Also, naming of parties seems often misleading, maybe even on purpose
Could you recommend some resources I can use for a crash course on who’s who in EP, or maybe someone can summarise the projected results and what are the expected problems?
Traditionally, the EU has been governed by an informal coalition of the two largest groups/parties, centre-right EPP and centre-left S&D, both being pro-EU. After the last election where they underperformed, they were joined by the third largest group, centrist, pro-EU Renew.
This election, pro-EU groups collectively have lost a lot of seats while right-wing EU-sceptic groups gained seats. The most radical of these groups, ID, made the biggest gains. This will make coalition building and therefore governing way more complicated.
European parties are alliances of national parties from various member states. Those representatives elected to the European Parliament for the national parties form so called groups. Typically, these groups correspond to the European parties. Usually, it makes more sense to talk about the groups rather than the parties.
These political groups are formed by members elected by national voters. A group can be formed as long as they have at least 25 members from at least one quarter of EU countries. They’re pretty much analogous to a party, they work in broadly the same way. In the Image above they’re broadly organised from Left to Right politically:
The LEFT group is, well, pretty left. They include Communists and Socialists, and in their own way can be a bit eurosceptic, although they typically want to reform or replace the EU rather than just disbanding it.
The GREENS are also pretty left, with a focus on Climate, Animal Rights, Income Equality, Feminism, that sort of thing. They are generally pro-Europe.
The S&D group are center left. Members tend to be from say, the Labour party of various countries. They want things like fairer employment and more regulated market. They were the largest party in the EU until 1999, now the second largest.
RENEW are Center, pretty Liberal (in the Phil Ochs sense). They’re pro-business and want a strong economy, but they at least talk up things like civil rights and social welfare (I don’t know enough about them to judge how well they do in practise). They’re very pro-EU, and have billed themselves as ‘the Pro-European political group’.
The EPP are center-right, pretty conservative. Lots of ‘Christian Democratic’ representation. Neoliberal, want more defence spending, pro-Europe, pro-Ukraine. They say they’re focused on the climate, but the Greens say that that’s a lie. They’ve been the biggest group since 1999.
The ECR calls itself center-right (but is really a bit right-er), and ‘soft-eurosceptic’. This Eurosceptism is their main thing: They support the idea of the EU, so they say, but they want to prevent it from going ‘too far’, with too much oversight, integration, and immigration. Some members are your standard conservative types, some are far-right.
The ID group is far-right. They don’t like the EU, and are opposed to it interfering with the ‘sovereignity’ of States. Anti-immigration, anti-‘islamisation’, pro-nationalism.
Nonaligned (technically ‘non-inscrits’) are just that - they haven’t joined with any of the above blocs.
These projected results broadly show increased support for the right over the left, but more sharply show gains for the Eurosceptic ID and Non-Inscrits (who often are Eurosceptic, but not always and I don’t actually know the individual cases here) at the expense of the pro-EU Greens and Renew. So it doesn’t look great for fans of the European Left.
Thanks, it looks like the right are really on the rise as of lately, I heard about this happening in the Netherlands, in Spain, now the EP :(
Also, I hope we’re not going to see another Brexit(s), especially considering how the UK citizens seem now to think it was a mistake
Portugal is also sending for the first time our dear fascists to the europe. It’s all imploding in our lifetimes.
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because?
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What makes one a European?
And why should Europe be only for Europeans?
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Can we take a moment to consider that everything is the fault of the Italians. The Italians, and only the Italians:
Why the hell are your polling stations open until 23:00? Who the hell votes at that time? Is it one of those “not cappuccino after 11 – no voting before dusk” kind of superstitions? You’re the reason we don’t have proper projections yet!
Considering the next elections one should form a national party to expand pause times to multiple hours as well, so that we can bear 35 degree celcius in april 2029.
Either spains siesta approach or adapting italias layed-back attitude both sounds promising!!
You want to make it harder to vote just to get faster unofficial projections?
We’re already done counting. They’re actively not updating the results because the Italians can’t be bothered to vote during daytime. On a Sunday.
EDIT: State results are in. Well, almost completely.
Italy has taken in a lot of refugees and will thus probably have rather high right wing voter turnout.
Why the hell are your polling stations open until 23:00?
That’s just barely in time to vote after dinner!
Then vote after your morning espresso!
Or like me: Go to vote whenever, visit the Italian ice cream parlour on the way back.
I was just in Rome, and when I started getting hungry there was still an hour left until most restaurants even opened (19:30). Pure insanity to my Scandinavian habits.
I was in Stockholm and I felt horribly when I started feeling hungry and I noticed restaurants were already closing 😂
Everyone complaining about the right wing people should take another look at the +40 to 102 non aligned seats.
Those votes went to parties exploring interesting new directions instead of 1) evil or 2) boring old stuff.
afaik German AFD is now part of non aligned. That’s 16 of those +40 seats.
You’re right. They were a bit to open about how Nazi they really are.
Too Nazi for the EU Nazi block
sadly that won’t stop people from voting for them
Wait, like what?
Disgusting.
The growth of the far right isn’t that terrible on a vacuum, since it’s just a small growth anyway. The real bad news is this:
This is, traditional conservative parties starting to talk about cooperation with the far right, rather than with centrists. If you thought far right euroskeptics were cringe, just you wait to see the far right that wants to remodel the EU to their taste - and are capable of passing reforms.
Wow, who woulda thunk that the right would ally with the far right in policy :0
I don’t know about EU politics but how are conservatives reformists? (I should mention that I am honestly asking)
Along the lines of “Reform the EU to strengthen national authority”
Comedic answer: In the same way, “Republicans” are standing for “State’s Rights” instead of the rights of the Federal Republic: By name only. Real answer: It’s all around the idea that to keep the EU “in check” and nation states sovereign (which is their main deal, aside from ‘controlled immigration’ as they call their specific flavor of Xenophobia), the EU needs to be reformed into a more powerless organization basically.
