The technology that managed to accomplish what NFTs couldn’t.
Snipping tool is for snipping, screenshots are for cropping.
Just change the extension to PNG
Do people really think this changes the file type?
No I don’t think it does but it works. Specifically I download webp pictures on pc and when I try to send them on WhatsApp it does not recognise them so I change the extension to JPG or PNG and it works it sends them and they can be viewed.
Sounds like the file type verification on WhatsApp is not on mime-type but only on extension. Some receivers might have trouble opening these though.
Is it still a meme when you feel it in your soul?
I don’t know why, maybe because it’s Sunday morning and I’m just drinking my coffee and browsing around while the rest of the house sleeps in, but this triggered a rabbit hole for me. I already have a lil plugin just for quickly saving direct to PNG or JPG when I right click a WebP in my browsers, but I SHOULDN’T GODDAMN HAVE TO.
WEBP as a wrapper (as coupled along with AVIF/AV1/VP8/etc) seems all about reassertion of corporate control of web file formats by pivoting codecs back toward patent encumbrance as a control factor, just without universal royalty hooks attached to anyone that touches even free and open software utilizing it. We were actually FREE of that bullshit for a short time. PNG has no patent encumbrance. GIF, MP3, MPEG-1, MPEG-2, MPEG-4 Part 2 all have expired patents and can be used freely.
[Don’t get me wrong, MPEG as an org was and is pure corruption and greed, and MPEG-4 Part 2 adoption was fully diminished outside of ‘free’ circles based on their stated intention to apply a ‘content fee’ to the royalty requirements. It’s obvious why VP8 -> AV1 had to happen one way or another to break their royalty cabal insanity, but it still doesn’t taste good at all. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-4_Part_2 ]
The consortium of companies behind WebP and AV1 are all taking part in the enshittification of the entire technology sector, from web sites and web apps, operating systems, and application ecosystems. Why would we ever trust them to not rug pull the ‘irrevocable but revocable’ patent license scheme? They only put it together in the first place to end run having to pay someone who was ‘not them’ any royalties for image/video/audio encoding.
References:
WEBP is patent encumbered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebP
https://github.com/ImageMagick/webp/blob/main/PATENTS
Google hereby grants to you a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free,** irrevocable (except as stated in this section) patent license** to make, have made, use, offer to sell, sell, import, transfer, and otherwise run, modify and propagate the contents of these implementations of WebM, where such license applies only to those patent claims, both currently owned by Google and acquired in the future, licensable by Google that are necessarily infringed by these implementations of WebM. This grant does not include claims that would be infringed only as a consequence of further modification of these implementations.
GIF is not patent encumbered since 2004.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIF
In 2004, all patents relating to the proprietary compression used for GIF expired.
PNG was never patent encumbered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PNG
PNG was developed as an improved, non-patented replacement for Graphics Interchange Format (GIF)—unofficially, the initials PNG stood for the recursive acronym “PNG’s not GIF”.
AV1, VP8, VP9, and other modernized “open source” or “free” Video Codecs all appear to be patent encumbered.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23747923
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AV1
This grant does not include claims that would be infringed only as a consequence of further modification of these implementations.
IANAL but what they’re saying here seems to be “if you download our code and modify it and, with that modification, touch some other patent of ours we can still have your ass”. That is, the license they’re giving out only cover the code that they release. Which shouldn’t be too controversial, I think.
The issue with codecs in general is that there’s plenty of trolls around and coming up with any audio or video codec is probably going to hit one of their patents, so the best that FLOSS codecs can do is “we don’t have any patents on this” or “we do have patents on this but license them freely, also, if someone else goes after you we’re going to detonate a patent minefield under their ass”. Patent portfolios have essentially reached the level of MAD.
Personally, IDGAF: Software patents aren’t a thing over here. You only have to worry about that stuff if you’re developing silicon.
Shit, you’ve got me mad too
AV1, VP8, VP9, and other modernized “open source” or “free” Video Codecs all appear to be patent encumbered.
MPEG LA(patent trolls, not to be confused with ISO MPEG) tried to claim that AV1 uses their patents, but failed.
It doesn’t have to be!
“?” in a URL often means “Delete from the ‘?’ until the end to avoid garbage”
Lemmy.ca defaults to: https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/d751342c-5d83-4a5e-9b6b-9817e03db780.jpeg
But if you’re on .world, you can do a little snip and things still work:
https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/5441af5c-19cd-4ffb-aad8-94da9ea361a9.jpegRecursivity is always funny.
I do this little trick where I change .webp to .jpg
I do this little trick where I change .webp to .jpg
its not hard to extract the image or video from the webp container.
webp is better than jpeg, png or any other file format
Even if it wasn’t, you could just convert it to .jpg if you felt strongly about it. Not as though there’s a compatibility issue.
The complaint people are having is with resizing/manipulation after download. They want these enormous uncompressed files floating around on every website, in the off chance they plan to download it and manipulate it. 99.9% of the web needs to be full of megabyte sized image files for the 0.1% y’all want to play with.
But the best image format to download is the original one it was uploaded in, without the recompression of server-side conversion to a lossy webp which we’re seeing all over the place.
Webp works fine for me now.
The problem is AVIF. I mean I love AVIF (almost as much as JPEG-XL), but it doesn’t work with anything except browser web pages, even after all this time.
My only concern with jpeg xl is… how do you know if the encoded file is losslessly compressed or not?
with jpg and png, one is lossless, one is not. But if all the files have a jxl extension, you can’t know unless the encoder adds metadata for it, right?
I felt the same way about webp when it came out.
In practice it doesn’t really matter:
- if you’re encoding the file you know how you’re doing it.
- if you’re receiving the file, you get the pixels you get no matter how it was encoded.
- if you’re sending the image through some third party service, they’re going to reencode and mangle it anyway so there’s no point in worrying.
Also, it turned out that even if it’s quite good, lossless webp is rarely seen in the wild because svg is more convenient.
For me webp is always some gif I’m trying to text people, and now I have to go convert it.
Is this some windows problem I’m too FOSS to understand?
Don’t think so cause if I change the extension to PNG or JPG it works just fine
Windows can only display .bmp images apparently. It’s an old problem.
Skill issue, the only actual drawback is that some legacy systems whitelisted image extensions and haven’t been updated. Even then just take a screenshot and upload that.
Not really? Just lucky.
Go back and eddit this comment when you download a webp and nothing can use it.
I have plenty of WEBP and every image editing/viewing application I have installed can use it fine. Including, but not limited to:
pdn, GIMP, Krita, Aseprite, InkScape, OpenToonz, IrfanView
I think Apple users have issues with Webm & Webp? But the issue here is using Apple products in the first place. Losing 90% of basic functionality is what you expect when using one of those.
Maybe then I’m the unlucky one that want to use things that don’t support it.
And I’m not on Apple lol (linux)
Name one program that doesn’t support WebP.
All the memes I send to my friends on messenger basically come from Lemmy. I always have to download the image and use the phone image editor to crop it by one pixel. It then let’s me save it, and it saves as jpg/png by default.
Yeah but memes don’t need high quality?
I don’t understand what people’s problem with this format is except in the case of animated .gifs. I can view it. I can reupload it. It’s still an image and it still works. The exception is animations. Animations always end up as a still image when saved in that format.
Snipping tool
But the quality…
Use greenhouse to capture a region. Thats how I pirate all my memes
Greenshot?
Fucking autocorrelation!
I remember when autoconcoct used to be god
*autocorrect
Old meme.
Pretty much everything supports it now, and in case you haven’t noticed pretty much all the images on Lemmy are webp because it lets instances save tons and tons on bandwidth and storage.
The next “better but not yet supported” image format is .avif.
Not avif, but jxl
Okay can someone please explain why Facebook Messenger on my phone keeps saying it can’t support gifs? Yes yes I’m an old man, but on the other hand what the fuck, fucking gifs? Are they devolving faster than Google?
(Also like, the gif feature built into Facebook Messenger itself. The longer I think about this problem, the more I think the app is just throwing the wrong error)Messenger is just crap.
I’ll change my mind about .webp when Microsoft Teams can recognize it as an image and display it correctly.
I’ll say the same thing about teams as I did messenger.
The format was introduced 13 years ago. MS had the time, and we know they have the resources.
This is 200% on teams being shit piece of crap software.
What doesn’t support avif? Even Apple devices support it and they are usually the last to adopt anything. I’ve crushed all my website using it and it turns a 1MB image to 80KB without quality loss, absolutely amazing compression!
In websites it works great, there isn’t browser around that can’t deal with it. Same how with when webp we’re new you’d run into them all over the web because there they were just better and worked fine.
It’s everything else that isn’t ready yet. My older android device can’t deal with them in apps, no AV1 decoder maybe? Dunno.
Not many processors have AV1 hardware decoders yet (Apple thru them in on their M3’s last year and latest iPhone 15 Pros) so I can’t see it being that. There’s also software decoding that works fine. My wallpaper on macOS has been avif since last year (Sonoma) and works without issue. I don’t think it works in Windows 10 tho. No issues with the latest Ubuntu and I’m not familiar at all with Android OS.
In any case, I think it’s the best thing to come out in a long time. My website with raw PNGs was about 120MB. I crushed those PNGs with noticeable quality loss down to 50MB. I then crushed the original 120MB down to 60MB with minimal to no visual quality loss using webp. But I got it down to 25MB without loss using avif at 85% compression. Just insane performance, couldn’t be more impressed!
.avif is supported by all major browsers but application support sucks.
Indeed. Ready for websites, not everyday media files.
Not the end of the world, but out of the few apps that don’t fit in the ‘pretty much everything’ group, messenger is one of them and I can’t share a good bunch of memes on Lemmy with my friends because of that. I usually end up screenshotting my own screen because of that.
Avis Libre gallery can convert images from/to WEBP.
The format was introduced 13 years ago. Meta had the time, and we know they have the resources.
This is 200% on messenger being shit piece of crap software.
Every time I have to fire up my Fb account, I’m stunned at how shit React is. It’s appalling how bad that framework has become. Maybe if they cared about implementing solid code and less about raping your life of metadata in order to sell you the worst products on the planet thru their “partners” things would be better.
Heh, AOMedia Video Image Format
Yeah it uses the AV1 video codec for compression. Which go figure, works reaöly well for images, too! And the format can do animated images, too.
I actually decided to use avif on my project. But both this and webp is as fast as I know, not supported in any default image viewer on windows. Which is rater annoying, but I moved on to better programs for tgat anyways.
Avif is second to jxl though, some of the downsides of being a video format is that you loose progressive loading (only top to bottom iirc), degrades on re-encodes, and some other things I can’t think of. Avif gets a win because if you have a av1 decoder you already have a avif decoder too! But since it is a video frame essential there are some downsides since some image specific features can’t or won’t be added.
Also if you have video in AV1, you can rip out Group Of Frames from it and package in avif without any loss.
Cool, a replacement for GIFs too.
Next you’ll tell me you can add sound to it and make AVIFs with sound, won’t you?
spoiler
Someone once said something to the tune of “Imagine if GIFs could have sound”, to which people pointed out that those are just called videos.
As is webp. Animated webps have been a thing this whole time.
Animated webps have been a thing this whole time.
Reading this in Sam Reich’s voice.
Now we just need a Brandon Lee Mulligan flavored fully charged rant about the billionaire class of corporatists forcing webp with its patent encumbrance on us all.
