• FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
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    24 days ago

    This is why every anti-nazi protest needs to have everyone armed. Those bastards won’t show their faces around people who can and will fight back.

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      24 days ago

      Protests in general should be heavily armed and (more importantly) well organized. Whether it’s the Nazis or the cops (insert ‘same picture’ meme here), they’re scared of an actual fight

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        Everyone is scared of a fight at this point it seems. Only reasoning how it could get this bad before change.

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          Yeah but the cops have been scared of a real fight forever. They’re cowards who like to attack people who can’t or won’t fight back, but shy away from anything where they might meet organized resistance; the Black Panthers proved it, long before I was even born

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            23 days ago

            I met a couple of those OG Black Panthers recently. I like them a lot, they are surprisingly chill dudes that like to smoke weed

            Admittedly I don’t know how much fight will be left in me when I’m in my late 70s and early 80s

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            the Black Panthers proved it, long before I was even born

            Exactly why Reagan passed the Mulford Act when he was governor of California.

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              If you didn’t, I was about to. California is anti-gun because one time black people had guns and Reagan didn’t like it.

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    Surveillance states and mobile recording devices in everyone’s pocket, plus a media machine that portrays any violence done as barbarism means that the people delivering haymakers to skinhead fucks are no longer safe themselves

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      Yeah maybe it’s changed recently with the growth in popularity but as someone who’s gone to raves and festivals for well over a decade it’s always been one of the most welcoming cultures.

      I know the more major festivals have gotten less so over the years but it’s more just generic assholes not Nazis.

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        The oddest thing to me was: even Bronies. Even Bronies have/had a Nazi problem.

        I present, ‘Aryanne’:

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          I think; if you dig deep enough in any larger fandom, you are bound to find some neo-nazis. A very loud minority of bronies painted a very large target on the rest of us with these beliefs. Especially because the outrage-fueled media ran off with a half cocked story again…

          I still haven’t found out whether Aryanne was originally created as a joke or not. Unfortunately it’s hard for a brony to really-really hate a cute fictional pone like that, and there are a couple of great stories with her as a character (on the bad guy’s team of course).

          I of course hate nazis with a passion, but nazi characters in fiction can be a useful vehicle for storytelling under the right circumstances.

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              A couple of nazis coincidentally being fans of a specific franchise does not constitute a “nazi-problem” within said fandom, in my opinion. I’m pretty sure bronies were quick to shun said individuals. It would only be a “nazi-problem” if that belief was a common trend in the group…

              I always found it mind-boggling how some neo-nazis, could somehow identify with a show based around friendship and inclusion. There is some cognitive dissonance there…

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                  That anecdote is true, but it’s also a bad comparison. You can’t really kick someone out of the internet… Or really stop them from claiming association. And like I said they were shunned after their beliefs became clear…

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            I still haven’t found out whether Aryanne was originally created as a joke or not. Unfortunately it’s hard for a brony to really-really hate a cute fictional pone like that, and there are a couple of great stories with her as a character (on the bad guy’s team of course).

            Lol wtf??

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            Most furries are very anti fascist. And most of us have jobs in aerospace , IT or other stem fields.

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              Most of the modern world runs on furries, we’re one downed plane headed to yiffcon from the stone age

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                Yeah furries are to tech what the bdsm community is to medicine. Can we recover? Maybe but we’re gonna have a real rough time if we lose these people

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    Furries took up the baseball bat of justice and drove the nazis out so that they had to form the (short-lived) fashcon

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    the only* solution. ive been coming to understand talking them out of being fascists rarely works if they are that deep into it.

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      You cannot logic someone out of a position that they didn’t use logic to get to.

      Only two options really, play on their emotional reasoning to make them feel the victim of their own beliefs, or you know, make their physical safety in question.

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        i’m familiar with option 2, violence is straightforward.

        but how does option 1 work?

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          Manipulate them basically. Essentially weaponize the shift that conservatives have when they are personally affected by something. Think McCain turning around on gay marriage because his kid was gay or whatever.

          If trump and maga can manipulate using emotion because these people only use emotional reasoning, surely a competent person can weaponize other grievances in the opposite direction.

          Just make them more mad about something else that we can all agree on.

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      I don’t really keep track of fashion for punks, (it feels like there’s a hole where fashion knowledge would go-i just can’t be arsed to pretend to care) but as an almost entirely bald guy (very short buzz) now I’ll have another paranoia to think about.

      It won’t make any sense (hence why I call it that) since I almost always just wear cargo shorts and a plain solid color tee, but now that annoying part of the brain will have this to latch onto.

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      Yeah, appearance is a form of communication whether we like it or not.

      In my case, I’m a big white guy with a beard living in a 3/4 red area. So things like red hats, mirrored sunglasses, and camo/punisher/tacticool clothes or accessories aren’t allowed anywhere near me, lol. I stick with thick framed glasses too.

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      Your assumptiom would most likely be wrong. The vast majority of punks in general are anti-racist and would gladly punch a Nazi. The ones that are most likely to actually deliver the punch are the bald guys in typical punk attire.

      The original skinhead movement was very progressive, anti-racist, and there are plenty of skinhead punks still representing it in the exact same way. All of the skinhead punks in my area identify as SHARPS or Skinheads Against Racial Prejudice, and I don’t live in a super progressive place or anything.

      Nazi skinhead punks aren’t seen in public much, nowadays, mostly thanks to the guaranteed violence from the people mentioned above. If they are brave enough to be in public, they will make it known with some sort of asshole patch, asshole tattoo, or doc marten boots with white laces, but I’ve never seen one at a normal punk show.

      Source: Lifelong enjoyer of punk music and shows.

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      I know a dude who was a hard-core punk in the 80s. He’s covered in Circle Jerks tattoos and has all kinds of stories about curb stomping skinheads. Poor guy went completely bald =/