I used to mainly vote third party as a protest vote for both sides to do better. Didn’t matter the party, really.
I voted for Obama out of genuinely wanting him in office. I thought he was decent overall but he did disappoint me.
I voted for Biden purely to keep Trump out of office. Even so, I think Biden has largely been a better President than Obama was, though the Gaza/Israel thing is really testing that. I would love to have a more progressive choice, but any time I am disappointed in Biden, I just remind myself the alternative and I would crawl across a mile of broken glass to vote for him.
So I would anecdotally say this election is outside the norm.
New baseline?! I have often gotten the feeling that you are an adolescent. It would explain so many of the shitty hot takes and bad ideas. But this really kind of solidifies it. Being young is not an insult however. We all were at one point in time. And we all matured and grew up.
This is so not a new thing though. Trump is literally Reagan part 2. And that’s just within the last 50 years that’s not even mentioning Nixon or all the others that came before him. The truth is this is been the way it has always been. It sucks that so much of the energy of youth is wasted tilting at windmills. Instead of actually understanding and working to improve things. Actively demotivating non Republican voters in an effort to get the Republican candidate to win. That sounds like a real good way to improve things.
It’s not just that people don’t like what you have to say. It’s that you don’t actually respond to what’s being said. Or have anything to actually offer to a discussion. And calling anyone older than you a boomer is such a juvenile thing to do. So you are at least proving my point I suppose.
Dude… why are you always rewriting everything anyone says to you? Is it because you know it’s obnoxious? Is it that you are trying to agitate people into losing their resolve and saying something you can report them for?
Because nowhere did they say anything they made you the victim you’re trying to be here.
They simply said that your points of view are incredibly naïve. Which would be the result of being young and inexperienced with politics and its nuance. Having said that… They could have just said that you are an ignorant brainwashed troll, but they didn’t. Because they probably believe this isn’t the case.
Dude… why are you always rewriting everything anyone says to you?
It’s called paraphrasing. I tend to do it when I’m on mobile. It quickly becomes an awkward pain in the ass to go line by line and quote the condescension and abuse that centrists use because their ideas are indefensible.
So I would anecdotally say this election is outside the norm.
as will be the next, and the one after that, as well as all of the ones following; meanwhile you’ll continue crawling over broken glass and giving a pass to ongoing genocides because you believe it’s better than the alternative somehow without realizing there’s one alternative.
no one knows the right answer, but there are plenty of wrong answers and 2 of those have been placed before and you’re told that you must select one.
Told? It’s just math. If you want to change things, you have to either do it from within an existing party or wait for an existing party to implode and then maybe there is an opportunity for change.
I’m fifty. I spent a lot of fucking elections wasting my vote on third parties, thinking I was sending some kind of message or making things better, but here we are. I wasted every single vote prior to 2008. Would anything be different if I hadn’t? No. Would anything be different if a bunch of people hadn’t? I don’t know. Maybe.
as i said before: no one knows the right answer, but there are plenty of wrong answers, we know they’re wrong because we’ve tried them and things don’t get better (and we sometimes try it again with the same results); we’re only allowed to pick from among those wrong answers only.
trying anything otherwise might also be a wrong answer; but we will never know because there are plenty who will shame you if don’t pick the same wrong answer they do.
I used to mainly vote third party as a protest vote for both sides to do better. Didn’t matter the party, really.
I voted for Obama out of genuinely wanting him in office. I thought he was decent overall but he did disappoint me.
I voted for Biden purely to keep Trump out of office. Even so, I think Biden has largely been a better President than Obama was, though the Gaza/Israel thing is really testing that. I would love to have a more progressive choice, but any time I am disappointed in Biden, I just remind myself the alternative and I would crawl across a mile of broken glass to vote for him.
So I would anecdotally say this election is outside the norm.
I worry that it’s the new baseline.
New baseline?! I have often gotten the feeling that you are an adolescent. It would explain so many of the shitty hot takes and bad ideas. But this really kind of solidifies it. Being young is not an insult however. We all were at one point in time. And we all matured and grew up.
This is so not a new thing though. Trump is literally Reagan part 2. And that’s just within the last 50 years that’s not even mentioning Nixon or all the others that came before him. The truth is this is been the way it has always been. It sucks that so much of the energy of youth is wasted tilting at windmills. Instead of actually understanding and working to improve things. Actively demotivating non Republican voters in an effort to get the Republican candidate to win. That sounds like a real good way to improve things.
“I don’t like what you’re saying, so you must be younger than me and therefore wrong” is the most boomer take ever.
It’s not just that people don’t like what you have to say. It’s that you don’t actually respond to what’s being said. Or have anything to actually offer to a discussion. And calling anyone older than you a boomer is such a juvenile thing to do. So you are at least proving my point I suppose.
I didn’t say you were older than me. I said you were acting like a boomer.
Dude… why are you always rewriting everything anyone says to you? Is it because you know it’s obnoxious? Is it that you are trying to agitate people into losing their resolve and saying something you can report them for?
Because nowhere did they say anything they made you the victim you’re trying to be here.
They simply said that your points of view are incredibly naïve. Which would be the result of being young and inexperienced with politics and its nuance. Having said that… They could have just said that you are an ignorant brainwashed troll, but they didn’t. Because they probably believe this isn’t the case.
It’s called paraphrasing. I tend to do it when I’m on mobile. It quickly becomes an awkward pain in the ass to go line by line and quote the condescension and abuse that centrists use because their ideas are indefensible.
No, it’s not paraphrasing. It’s purposeful misunderstanding so you can either victimize yourself, or build a straw man.
You’re not as clever as you think.
You’ve made it clear that you will believe the worst about me no matter what I say. There is no reason to change my tone to suit you.
That’s entirely your fault. Not mine. You teach people how to treat you.
as will be the next, and the one after that, as well as all of the ones following; meanwhile you’ll continue crawling over broken glass and giving a pass to ongoing genocides because you believe it’s better than the alternative somehow without realizing there’s one alternative.
no one knows the right answer, but there are plenty of wrong answers and 2 of those have been placed before and you’re told that you must select one.
Told? It’s just math. If you want to change things, you have to either do it from within an existing party or wait for an existing party to implode and then maybe there is an opportunity for change.
I’m fifty. I spent a lot of fucking elections wasting my vote on third parties, thinking I was sending some kind of message or making things better, but here we are. I wasted every single vote prior to 2008. Would anything be different if I hadn’t? No. Would anything be different if a bunch of people hadn’t? I don’t know. Maybe.
as i said before: no one knows the right answer, but there are plenty of wrong answers, we know they’re wrong because we’ve tried them and things don’t get better (and we sometimes try it again with the same results); we’re only allowed to pick from among those wrong answers only.
trying anything otherwise might also be a wrong answer; but we will never know because there are plenty who will shame you if don’t pick the same wrong answer they do.
If you mean “unique in 240 years of American history” I agree.