You heard #Adobe. Deep down you knew this was coming. Now all your art are belong to them. Time to move on to better things…

Kreative Suite
* Krita is your new design/painting app
* Kdenlive will give you video-editing powers
* glaxnimate adds 2D vector animations to you videos
* digiKam organises your collection images

https://kde.org/for/creators/
Also:
* Inkscape - create sophisticated vector-graphic designs
* Scribus - layout like a pro
* GIMP - need we say more
* Blender - ditto

@kde@lemmy.kde.social

  • NaoPb@eviltoast.orgEnglish
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    8 months ago

    Gimp might be allright but I prefer pixlr (an online app) as an alternative to photoshop.

  • BuckFigotstheThird@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    8 months ago

    Y’all dont block all the .exe files with your firewall? I been doing that for years. I anticipate being stuck with the near current version of Photoshop I have now. An update never occurs, but thats okay. Ive got windows update disconfigured and blocked, too.

    Ive found that originally, updates actually fixed problems, but it seems for the last few years, updates only benefit the company and not the user. They are either trying to reinvent the wheel, increase data mining, restricting access in the name of better services, to gear up towards changing to some bullshit form of a subscription service (again, to provide you better services! Better for them…)

    And, sometimes, updates just straight up break things. I’ve soured to allowing any updates when things are already working smoothly.

    • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
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      8 months ago

      Only problem is that by disabling all windows updates, you don’t even get security updates, which on windows, is more critical than anywhere else, from where I am sitting

  • Adalast@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    I have been searching for good alternatives to AE and Premiere for a while now. I have messed with DaVinci a few times, but always bounced off. Any suggestions. Bonus points if anyone can point me in the direction of a Lightroom alternative.

    • Max820@discuss.tchncs.de
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      8 months ago

      For video editing, Kdenlive is the best alternative I found so far, although it takes some time to get used to. For something AE related, check out Blender. It might be a bit overkill for most projects, but it is very powerful. As a lightroom alternative there’s Darktable. All of the mentioned software also has the advantage of being free and open source.

      • Hackworth@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        8 months ago

        I am super impressed by Blender, but there’s not really a substitute for After Effects yet, open source or otherwise.

        • Bro666@lemmy.kde.socialM
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          8 months ago

          there’s not really a substitute for After Effects yet,

          Have you tried Natron? This software still needs some serious love, but maybe you can appreciate its potential as tool for people used to AE.

      • bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        8 months ago

        Locked a bunch of the production industry/creatives/graphic artists/etc. completely out of creative cloud and all of its apps until they signed a new TOS. They gave no heads up about it and basically it lets them use all your media however they want, super invasive stuff.

        Two months ago I convinced my company to switch over to Da Vinci resolve and I am never going back. It is objectively the better tool in every regard for video editing. The only thing I will miss from Adobe is their audio enhance tool, but we will survive lol

        • Sentient Loom@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          8 months ago

          Good job. I already switched to Affinity for photo editing & design because they don’t have a subscription model, though they’ve been bought by a company that plans to introduce the subscription model.

          • bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            8 months ago

            Black magic design has proven themselves a pretty capable, reasonable, mostly consumer friendly company for a good decade now. I feel safe for now. But always gotta be on the lookout!

        • Bro666@lemmy.kde.socialM
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          8 months ago

          access and review

          and censor and re-use and use to train their AI… Basically they own your art.

          Edit: That said, most predictable scummy move of Adobe’s long history of scummy moves.

        • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          8 months ago

          In other words, Adobe is now fundamentally unsuitable for commercial use.

        • Lojcs@lemm.ee
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          8 months ago

          And the product director is openly lying about it:

          We are not accessing or reading Substance users’s projects in any way, shape or form nor are we planning to or have any means to do it in the first place.

          It’s either that, or their lawyers decided to put that in without asking him? There needs to be some serious legislation for when companies try to pull this off

  • Felix 🐊@woof.tech
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    8 months ago

    @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
    I support people trying new things! I hate Adobe!

    However, all of the tools here, save for Blender and maybe Kdenlive, are lacking somewhat in either features or UX. Inkscape is not comparable to Illustrator in my recent experience, and even Krita, while decent, has some weird decisions that don’t make much sense from a workflow perspective.

    I commonly hear criticism met with either “Add the feature yourself, it’s open source” (I am a visual artist with experience using digital art tools, not a C++ programmer) or “It’s not supposed to replace <comparable software>” (then your software might as well not bother competing if it’s not going to work much better than the other options). I have a necessity to switch, but I can’t use these tools yet if they don’t behave how I need them to, often how swaths of other competing software behaves. I’m willing to curb my expectations, I don’t expect things to be *perfect*, but the amount of configuration I need to do to get similar workflows like comparable software is rough. I think once that gets addressed, more people will be interested in switching.

    I’m so convinced it isn’t even a feature issue, more of a look and feel with sane defaults sort of issue.

    • Bro666@lemmy.kde.socialM
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      8 months ago

      Don’t take this the wrong way. While I appreciate the tact with which you have expressed your criticisms, but you may find that your objections all boil down to “I am used to a certain set of tools and now I have to change. The new tools do things differently and I am confused and it is messing with my productivity”, that is, the problem is not entirely with the new software, but with you, your workflow and your muscle memory.

      • cronosisma@feddit.it
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        8 months ago

        hi! this is a way of reacting to criticism that I feel very often, but this is misleading to me because it does not consider the most important structural factor, that is the environment in which it “grows”, also digitally. you are inhabited since young people to use the pc in a certain way, to use programs in a certain way. for me the FOSS software is a political issue, if it is important that people approach you should mediate through interfaces and beautiful workflows to see (and imo current ones are not beautiful) and easy to adopt for those coming from the most mainstream programs.

        if it is believed that the software foss is official remains in the niche in which it is locate (so that people outside the FOSS or should not approach or can do it hard to get used to a new way of using IT means, thus invisible the structural action of society and responsibilities and culpritizing the individual people without doing a collective and broad analysis, typical discussion brought by non-politicized or liberal people) while the rest of society is devoured by multinationals I understand it but I do not agree: I consider it part of a political struggle also anti-capitalist

      • Felix 🐊@woof.tech
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        8 months ago

        @Bro666 i appreciate your reply! I’ll link you to my response to a different post here outlining a bit more of my experience. tl;dr, I’ve used multiple programs in personal and academic settings. Some FOSS options are great and comparable! Some miss the mark, even if they get close. It’s not for lack of trying, it’s that out of the multiple programs I’ve learned over the years, the FOSS options tend to be the odd ones out.

        https://woof.tech/@crocodisle/112579981685976482

        Even blender is guity of this with its default control scheme being the odd one out among Maya, Unity, and Substance, but it can be modified enough to make up for this and has other attractive aspects to make it a worthy contender. Digital tools tend to be used in an ecosystem that they are integrated with. Learning new workflows if fine, but there’s value in being able to do what’s already being done well in a similar way without much fuss.

        • Bro666@lemmy.kde.socialM
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          8 months ago

          Even if you lack knowledge regarding development, advice from professional designers and artists is always appreciated. I think it would be helpful if you picked a project with receptive developers and offered them your insight.

          • Felix 🐊@woof.tech
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            8 months ago

            @Bro666 thanks for the encouragement! I joined a forum when researching some Krita features, but only because I felt the need to stand up for someone who suggested a good feature and ended up getting told it was a stupid idea, even though other painting programs had already implemented something similar… FOSS is tough, and all respect to the developers and communities that make it happen. I trust many of these things are already being worked on/implemented, or the groups have bigger fish to fry.

            • Bro666@lemmy.kde.socialM
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              8 months ago

              There are abrasive people everywhere and everyone has an opinion. In a community without a top-down hierarchical structure, every Tom, Dick and Henrietta thinks they know what’s best for the project and will tell you so. Don’t take it personally, remember everybody wants what is best, and, if you believe in your proposal, persevere. There is someone who agrees with you.

      • luciferofastora@lemmy.zip
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        8 months ago

        The issue comes when trying to convince many people used to the old tools to adopt the new one. Having to un- and relearn your skills is a massive UX hurdle. That’s not an issue of the users, but of the application not catering to that use case (encouraging people to switch and easing them into the new environment). Every difficulty, every extra step you have to take, every workflow habit you have to adapt is a detriment.

        The tools can be great in a vacuum, but when we’re talking about people switching, they’re no longer in a vacuum.

        • Bro666@lemmy.kde.socialM
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          8 months ago

          I agree. That said, users coming from proprietary tools may be gracious enough to meet the volunteers building free software at least half way.

    • bufalo1973@lemmy.ml
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      8 months ago

      Have you sent any tickets to tell them to fix what you think needs fixing? Just like you are a visual artist and not a programmer, they are programmers and not visual artist (at least not all of them) so any feedback is welcomed.

      • Felix 🐊@woof.tech
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        8 months ago

        @bufalo1973 I’ve gotten some mixed feedback by the community in the past that was discouraging enough to dissuade getting involved, but I’m reconsidering it now. Thanks for the input!

      • cobra89@beehaw.org
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        8 months ago

        If you want open source adoption to continue to be low, please, keep making comments like this.

        If you want people to switch, the apps need to be appealing not a chore. And relearning a workflow you’ve fine tuned over decades is a serious chore and may even be detrimental to your job.

        • manos_de_papel@lemmy.ml
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          8 months ago

          Well Foss or not, when you change tools, you’re going to have to adapt and change a few things.

          On top of that, not all graphics projects need more users, most are small projects, and and influx of new users who just groan about how its “not a free Photoshop/illustrator/InDesign etc etc” is pretty annoying.

      • Felix 🐊@woof.tech
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        8 months ago

        @manos_de_papel I’ve done a bit of that, but it’s difficult once you find a way that’s objectively faster/less keystrokes to get something done. Not all proprietary software’s got it figured out either, I just wish I had option to configure things how I want with the open source tools.

        Not to mention, people looking for alternatives may not be as patient as I am. I think the value of UX cannot be understated when it comes to creative tools

        • manos_de_papel@lemmy.ml
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          8 months ago

          Foss or not, if you’re changing tools, you’re going to have to change your workflow.

          If you don’t want to change , then you’ll just always be stuck with what you have.