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Because it fucken sucks and its plain to see even through the legalese.
When was the public ever in favor of this?
At no point in time. But it seems the public was largely ignorant, and thus apathetic, of it. The more knowledge, the more resistance.
Never was. Their goal was to sneak it past the voters, that’s why they keep lying about what’s in it and concealing Trump’s connection to it.
Sure, in language that obfuscates their actual goals and after all the other subversive shit like installing their puppet judges to the supreme court that led to those goals becoming remotely achievable against the will of voters at large.
Even if they don’t get these goals passed at a federal level, it works as a playbook for state lawmakers. Some of us are already living under those kinds of rules, and the next legislative sessions are going to see lots of these kinds of things pushed in states.
This isn’t a one and done thing. P2025 is the Heritage foundation, long time conservative economic think tank funded by the Kochs. They’re pushing this agenda and it doesn’t matter who knows since this is a plan to seize power. They put out these demented sounding policy agenda and they stick to the plan, more or less, in working toward. Trying out different wordings, spamming out policy proposals and voting agenda items like the ones in this plan; copy pasted from existing bills written for other States. Look at how trans legislation is going in this country.
In the media they’ll try out different framings of these issues, start bringing in grifters in the media to frame these issues “creatively” to the public. Most of these framings will be terrible, awful, but one will catch on and then it becomes part of public consciousness almost over night.
And they’re doing this for all of these issues. People sometimes say that the capitalist class only cares about the next quarter, but these think tanks funded by the capitalist class, are able to look ahead decades. A good example of this is the Powell memo, written in the 70s by the chamber of commerce. Compared to when it was written they’ve gotten maybe 85% of what they asked for, and the mechanisms to get that last fraction of whatever is left of the US labor movement have been working and are written into law by our conservative supreme court.
Project 2025 gets rejected by a mostly ambivalent voting base. Big defeat, Democrats patting each other on the back. But the machine keeps working for decades as long as there’s funding coming from major donors; unless it gets completely defeated, as in the people responsible are put on trial, Nuremberg style.
This seems like a good place to link Robert Evans BTB episode: “How Conservatism Won” in which “Robert sits down with David Bell to discuss how a consortium of rich failsons got together to fund a network of right wing think tanks and shift American culture in a fun new direction. (note: it was not actually fun at all).” The tl;dr is basically the rich hated FDRs New Deal and immediately set to work to undo everything he did.
The above commenter has nailed it, it’s not even a conspiracy, it’s all easily verifiable. These people do not share our American values. They do not value freedoms (speech, press, religion, etc) the same way that many of us do. They want a return to the gilded age with them as the robber barons and gentry and everyone else as a permanent, toiling underclass.
it’s not even a conspiracy
It’s literally a conspiracy.
He meant conspiracy theory. There is nothing theoretical about this conspiracy.
Maybe, but there’s a weird stigma around “conspiracies” like they are politically unserious, or something that only people having paranoid delusions believe. Conspiracy theories often appear around very real evidence that is contradictory to the official story, or coincidences that are too frequent and conspicuous to be ignored. The milieu that has grown up around conspiracy theories is practically a consumer identity at this point, and often accomplishes little more than masking antisemitism, or providing passive revenue streams to mysterious grifter entities, like Q. But nothing will make you seem like more of a nut than telling your friends three things that the CIA openly admits to doing. Misinformation is and always has been rampant.
I don’t have a lot of patience for conspiracy theories, but if you look at history there are a lot of incidents that were denied by the official story, and the people saying them were humiliated or had their careers destroyed or worse; that later it turns out they were correct when files get declassified decades later. So I’m just speaking to the stigma against the idea of conspiracies, they exist. People with similar interests “conspire,” sometimes diabolically, to ensure their interests come to fruition. And to deny that is dangerously naive.
The duality of their situation.
You got the people who know the score and the true objective: To leverage a tenuous victorious position to tilt the scales persistently in their favor in a rather undemocratic way. For them, this is something to shut the hell up about and do on the down low.
Then you have the true believers, who think this is a plan to clean up some perceived “deep state” conspiracy to cheat the elections, and only fair to “fix” the problem that the popular voice is not being honored. Those are the folks that wanted a big ol website for it and to shout it from the rooftops.
Now of course, you’d think the true believers might get a bit rattled at the apparent eagerness to bury it and keep quiet and not tell the voters about it too much.
And then we have the legions of young men who worship Andrew Tate that either openly support P2025 because “women bad” or act like it’s not a real thing.
Yes, a 900+ page manifesto made by a think tank was made for the lulz.
act like it’s not a real thing.
or they think it is “real” but would never get through congress because “congress are too divided on everything”, while also complaining that the president has too much executive overreach…
Like… do they even hear themselves? Hitler didn’t wait for the parliament to grant him power, he just declared it… and everyone just went with it.
Like… do they even hear themselves? Hitler didn’t wait for the parliament to grant him power, he just declared it… and everyone just went with it.
Really shows that checks on government actions only works when the checks do something and have the power to act on it.
This is something inherent in Parliament based governments. In theory, the Prime Minister is suppose to be held accountable by their own political party. However, in reality the Prime Minister’s party just goes with whatever the Prime Minister says.
First time I’ve ever said this but thanks, Heritage! You showed your hand :)
This is getting people in my life who aren’t even active in politics to go, “wtf?” in the biggest shake-up since Roe’s reversal.
rapidly souring implies that they liked it at one point
They didn’t know the details. Now that people are learning more about it, they’re souring on it
How am I going to lock down my eighteen year old trad wife now?
You misspelled fourteen.
Eighteen? Have you SEEN how hard they push to drop the age of consent?!
To the Gilead crowd, if she’s not on her 2nd child by 18 then they send the council around to find out why.
I think states with 18 is already a minority
and oh my it is so amusing to see the politicians from such states defend it with weird scenario after weird scenario while still shuffling off their underaged daughters to wealthy middle aged ranchers.
Eighteen year old? Really?
cuz a christian theocracy regime plan doesn’t sound like much fun
i bet hexabear mods have the proj2025 tattoo.
Nah, those guys want an entirely different flavor of authoritarian regime.
If you can trust their words at all, they want 2025 to destabilize the US so China and/or Russia can expand more.
why is that flavor cum?
Pretty sure their flavour preference is boot polish.
Thier favourite flavour is Red, but they’ll take any Polish they can get
I’m all about freedom of expression, freedom to be who you want to be, etc…
But Jesus Christ on a cracker scrolling all and sorting through the hexbear bull shit just got so old.
I blocked the entire instance lol
Hated to do it. But man.
Removed by mod
Its not surprise they want to ban books and sites that give people a chance to learn that their normal aint normal
Like realising you are sawing off your good leg mid-way.
Good for you that it “only” took you this long?
No shit, the vast majority of the public hates republican policy. Most people are too lazy to vote or vote against their best interests because of stupid reasons like racism or wanting to hurt others.
My kids are all IVF. We spent a lot of money on that. Money comes from countless work hours. On the sentimental side, it was a horrible rollercoaster ride of having to follow an injection schedule, going to the doc for check-ups or for removing eggs or for jacking off into a cup right next to the doctor’s office. Lots of embarrassing moments. My kids are awesome and I would do it all over again. Fuck these project 2025 assholes. If I want to be gay and get IVF done, I will. I don’t need to ask others for permission or legality. That’s what freedom is about. That’s what American is about.
I was with you until that last sentence. You guys need to cut that shit out and get real.
That’s what American is all about? LOL 😂. I just tossed that in like salt on a dead cow 🍔 burger. Or a salad 🥗.
Sorry that you still have a king. American exceptionalism is alive and well, trust me.
Okay, sure, there’s definitely American exceptionalism. But freedom? Most of American freedoms had to be fought over and are relatively recent. Woman’s rights and gender rights have declined recently, so please, keep striving for that exceptional ideal.
People having basic human rights isn’t what I’d call ‘exceptional’, especially when many places already do far better.
That’s the problem.
When the public pays any attention to conservative policy.
That’s the issue is most people don’t even do the most basic level of research, they just tune in to whatever news network they’ve listened to for their life, and do whatever they say, and its pathetic.
It’s funny. When you laid out the individual points of Obamacare and ran some polls without the context of the name, they were quite popular. When they’re bundled together and called Obamacare, the popularity plunged.
In this case, you drop an 922 page pdf full of conservative agenda items, people will largely ignore it, because who the fuck has time to wade through a 922 page pdf? But somebody reads it, and its agenda items start to be laid out individually, and everyone hates it.
So basically, progressive policy is popular until conservatives give it a nickname and pretend it says something else. Conservative policy is not popular, and they can only get it through by obfuscating it.
No one wants to be a part of your fascist religious cult! Humans want freedom, not oppression.
Humans want freedom, not oppression.
Hey! Republicans are human, too.
Prove it!
[Citation needed]
I think its funny that the more shit like this they push on me the further away from their ideologies I want to be. Vote blue and be done with leadership provided by conservatives, they only want to control us and I’m sick of it
Fuck Nazis
NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF!
Call them punks is an insult to punks, they’re just scum
Nazi Punks are neo-nazis in the punk scene. They are an insult to the scene, so people would say this before they punched a Nazi punk in the face.
I know, I just disown them from the punk label
They are soo… republican!
I’m so sorry I said the R word! I swear on my mother’s tits I won’t ever fucking say it again. I’m just such a filthy mouth. But I’ll try not to say that r word again 😭👿.
(its a Dead Kennedys reference for those who don’t know)
