I just wish more of the reddit escapees would understand and embrace that, technologically speaking, Lemmy is not Reddit and that this is a good thing, actually.
There will be splintered communities hosted on different servers. There will be servers that decide to defederate from each other, be it for understandable reasons or stupid ones. And you will, probably, end up having to create more than one account because of drama that had nothing to do with you.
This isn’t a bug, it’s a feature. For everything you lose in convenience by not having “the everything site” where you go for literally all things, you gain flexibility and freedom. If my home-instance decides it doesn’t want legal trouble and bans talk of piracy… I can just get an account at one that has no such qualms. My browser/phone will remember my passwords for me.
A community’s culture shifting over time is inevitable, but these newcomers seem to want to change Lemmy on a technological level, and change it in ways that would rob it of the things that make it interesting, yanno?
I also wish it’d be less US-centric around here. But I guess that is inescapable.
I would like everyone who came over in the reddit migration to move back to reddit, as they clearly like it more over there than over here. I would like them to stop trying to force Lemmy into being something that it’s not.
Ban obvious actors Mods stop being little bitches
That would clean things up nicely
Personally I’d like to change the fact that every memes comment section is just serious conversation. Where’s the whimsy, where’s the tomfoolery folks
Be the silliness you want to see in the world. Start a pun thread or a switcharoo or all the things that used to make the old place fun. Lots of people will take that bait and run with it.
Thats what me and my 7 alts do
And those 7 alts has different password right? Right?
It’s time to be silly then :3
Yeah. I’ve seen so many rabidly political responses to memes. Lighten up folks!
fewer reposts from reddit, fewer reddit copycat communities, fewer redditors.
100%. I don’t know why people, who are presumably banned from Reddit or left Reddit for reasons, want bring over the same garbage they left for.
I’d love people on Limmy would quit posting links to Reddit.
I’d love people on Reddit would start posting links to Lemmy
Didn’t mods/admins throw bans at people doing that? I don’t recall because I’ve not been on Reddit for a good while.
You actually get downvoted anyway
I’d like to see fewer angry communists. Regular communists don’t bother me, but don’t be so aggressive about it.
Well, whenever the actions of capitalists stop affecting me and start being more escapable, that’s the exact minute I’ll stop being so angry. Sound like a deal?
Giving some real “live your life however you want but don’t jam it down my throat” energy and that’s… Nah, fam. That’s not the wave.
We all have problems.
Edit to add: yelling about them on the internet doesn’t do anything to solve them. Talking about it might.
Edit to add: yelling about them on the internet doesn’t do anything to solve them. Talking about it might.
People do talk, sometimes talking doesn’t work, and yelling does.
Okay, do you think people have the right to get angry at problems they have in their life due to an incredibly violent and inefficient system?
Yes, there’s plenty of anger all over the world. Plenty of people who have been wronged. The type of stuff I’m referring to is more like “owning a house and having people pay you money so they can live there is criminal”, but in an “all caps” sort of tone. That sort of thing.
Feel free to talk about how rent is too high, we need legislation, etc. etc., but if you go straight to some sort of off-the-wall ideology and you’re very loud about it without discussing the nuances, my preference would be for the culture of Lemmy to not be that.
owning a house and having people pay you money so they can live there is criminal”
The system that makes housing operate that way is criminal. Housing should not be a commodity
but if you go straight to some sort of off-the-wall ideology and you’re very loud about it without discussing the nuances
Honestly in most discussions I find the communists to be the more nuanced of the bunch.
but if you go straight to some sort of off-the-wall ideology and you’re very loud about it without discussing the nuances, my preference would be for the culture of Lemmy to not be that.
Well, it’s a nice strawman you erected to put on a piñata show for the class. Let’s hear what you think is “some sort of off-the-wall ideology”; 'cause at this point, I’d bet my left eye you’re about to say some shit that eventually terminates at “I’m okay with the global north murdering anyone they need to to maintain hegemony”.
Where are you finding non-angry Communists, except in Communist spaces?
Not on Lemmy, hence it’s what I’d like to change.
Hexbear.net is generally pretty happy until a liberal walks in.
I think I have that instance blocked.
You may, or your instance may not be federated with them. You can browse it anonymously or make an account that is federated with them if you want to see it.
My instance doesn’t block it, but I blocked it with the recent feature added in 0.19.3 or 4, give or take. I think I got tired of seeing the angry people.
happier communists? do you mean slrpnk.net?
HackerNews has one of the best downvoting rules I’ve ever seen - you can’t downvote someone replying to you. I think that simple change massively changes the way karma works.
They also arbitrarily don’t allow you to reply to lots which is annoying. I often have follow-up questions (legit ones, not comebacks or other crap) that I can’t do anything about :(
But I agree, its generally terrible etiquette to downvote something someone has contributed to you if its goodfaith and also, assuming your thing is visible people are gonna see it and your interests are linked so its just silly, bottom-line
Low-karma accounts are rate-limited. I don’t know what the threshold is, but that goes away after you gain some karma.
I def have some(not quite 1000) but had some pretty popular comments
From what I can tell, all the karma thresholds are dynamic and probably only knowable by admins. If nearly 1000 isn’t enough to avoid rate limiting then they sound pretty aggressive.
From my perspective HN’s approach seems to do pretty well at mitigating bad behavior, but might be a little too hard on newcomers and casual users.
Id like more right wingers. Not in a i like them kind of a way in a i want lemmy more representative of the population kind of way. I also think we really need to be pushing harder on the free speach free marketplace of ideas we have created.
I don’t think you deserve to be so heavily downvoted, but also Christ it’s nice to have a refuge where I don’t have to constantly hate humanity. Particularly when so often it’s simply not possible to have a genuine conversation because folks are spitting out talking points and ignoring facts. Which the left does as well but at least they don’t make me want to go on a murderous rampage. Usually.
Yeah i get what u mean about the extremists. But honestly the tankie extremists are just as bad. Their denial of genocide by the ccp is particularly bad. Ive been told that people are willingly choosing to go to ccp reeducation centers.
That last bit feels very unlikely or a total distortion. Not because I’m looking to argue, but I also happen to be human (meaning I think this applies universally to all humans regardless of any particular philosophy) and that sounds incredibly tedious and I can’t believe that’s the sort of thing any other human would spend their valuable time doing. I’d rather fold my laundry, and I fucking hate folding laundry.
I get what you’re saying but I like that Lemmy has a left wing bias (with a dash of libertarians). If it was the dominant media site, I’d agree about the echo chamber risk but so much media (in the English speaking world, anyway) is under right wing ownership now. Having a handful of sites that are a refuge from it all is a feature for me, not a bug. It’s an escape from the echo chamber.
I like that Lemmy has a left wing bias
it currently feels exactly like pre-2014 reddit. in a good way
No, it absolutely does not. Lemmy has a LOT of groupthink, just a different type of groupthink than the norm.
Reddit pre 2014 was the wild fucking west. You’d have some girl posting about why she likes sticking goat intestines up her butt and the comments would be all “it’s not my thing but I can see your point of view”. People were selling heroin on a public forum. There was a sub called something like “fiftyfifty” where you click on a link and it’s either a cute bunny or some dude getting beheaded, no blurring or censorship just full gruesome decapitation. The most popular sub was called “jailbait” for chrissake.
Like, kids today cannot comprehend how sanitised everything is. You are locked in a box. Lemmy is a different box than reddit is a different box than Instagram is a different box than Facebook is a different box than Twitter. You don’t know what freedom is. You will never know. It’s exhilarating and terrifying. But all you can do nowadays is pick a different box.
Exactly. Like I said
It’s just a different echo chamber though.
I think generally the community-driven, communal decentralized open concept kind of clashes at least with far right & neo lib thinking.
How its the ultimate embodiment of free speach the marketplace of ideals and competition. Id classify these as liberal ideas but ive notices a lot of the Americanised left wing doeant seem to agree with these anymore.
Leftism refers to collective ownership of the Means of Production, Rightism refers to individual ownership. Reddit is Capitalist, Lemmy is the Leftist answer to it.
There is no “competition” on Lemmy because there’s no profit and no production.
There’s no monetary profit, but I could absolutely see competition for whose ideas gain the most support.
And the Fediverse does not collectively own all the instances. Each instance is created and supported by an individual or small group of individuals.
You can even see the failures of unregulated capitslism in how lemmy (especially lemmy.ml and lemmy.world) are consolidating users and engagement. Unregulated capitalism trends towards monopoly.
It’s an extremely apt metaphor for capitalism.
There’s no monetary profit, but I could absolutely see competition for whose ideas gain the most support.
Capitalism is not “competition,” it is a specific mode of production. Competition exists outside Capitalism.
And the Fediverse does not collectively own all the instances. Each instance is created and supported by an individual or small group of individuals.
The source code is open and free, ergo people can do what they want. The underlying tools are accessible to anyone, the instances are not “production” nor do they exist for exchange.
You can even see the failures of unregulated capitslism in how lemmy (especially lemmy.ml and lemmy.world) are consolidating users and engagement. Unregulated capitalism trends towards monopoly.
There is no Capitalism on Lemmy, lmao.
It’s an extremely apt metaphor for capitalism.
No it isn’t.
The source code is open and free, ergo people can do what they want.
You really don’t see the parallels between this statement and “anyone can become a millionaire”?
Not everyone has the opportunity or the skillset to “do what they want” with the source code. I’m not a coder. How can I do whatever I want? I’m beholden to the structures that other people build.
You really don’t see the parallels between this statement and “anyone can become a millionaire”?
There’s a chance you could stumble onto a point if Lemmy was profit-driven.
Not everyone has the opportunity or the skillset to “do what they want” with the source code. I’m not a coder. How can I do whatever I want? I’m beholden to the structures that other people build.
You don’t need to be in order to be able to download the source code. Skills are not ownership.
(neo) liberalism isn’t really a leftist ideology, not sure about american specifics.
More here than R**dit. As a pro-gun Libral (pro-pistol), I had a great chat with a hard-line anti-gun person on here. On Reddit, I would have risked being permabanned for being a maga racist by an idiot mod, then had zero recourse against the idiot mod (totally not a bitter anecdote…).
Here, if I have a heated debate with a conservative, as long as it doesn’t get hostile, I can keep communicating and trying to help them understand my points instead of suddenly talking to [deleted] about [deleted] because some shit mod didn’t like their views.
Hey for the record ive been banned for saying this perfectly proving my point.
nice, good work mods
Lemmy is pretty international. We have right wingers here, but it’s not really representative. The USA right wingers only make up a small portion of worldwide population, so don’t stress. It’s not an echo chamber.
Yea, I think the American bubble makes people think their political spectrum is normal… while the Democrats would be a right or centrist party pretty much anywhere else in the world.
Dems are center right for sure
It’s not an echo chamber.
Right, it’s more like a reverberation chamber.
I want less big general instances, and more small niche ones like StarTrek.website or MTGzone.com.
I’d love it if we let it develop organically.
Totally with you. Just want to say that there is certain growth that comes organically that isn’t necessarily desirable.
For example many subs would start out cool and informative and then as they grew it somehow attracted an idiot crowd that was only capable of sharing memes. Or they group shift into some extreme perspectives.
In what way(s) is it not doing precisely that?
You know what never develop organically? Corporate social media platforms.
I think they’re referring to people casually mentioning that growth is desirable, which comes across as corpo think.
As you say, that perspective doesn’t have any direct relevance, but is does have impact. For example regarding the decision to defederate from threads.
Reddit is too US-centric and male-dominated. Lemmy must change that
lemmy.world has a massive Zionism problem. Most people appear unable to handle any criticism of their cult.
I wish we could have a higher level of discussion, with an expectation that claims should be supported by evidence. Less ad hominem and conspiracy theories about everyone with a different point of view being a bot. And much less “I heard someone from [group I dislike] say [comically evil thing],” being accepted purely off hearsay with no source.
I think lemmy unfortunately inherited some toxic reddit traits in that regard. If you make something up, whole cloth, that tracks with what people want to believe, you get upvoted, if you make a case with strong supporting evidence but it doesn’t fit with what people want to believe, you get downvoted - it’s circle-jerk-y.
Also, people just seem generally incurious about the world and it’s rich, diverse history, and just want to rehash the same talking points over and over again. Too many big communities are focused on news or current events, not enough on broader historical context or philosophical discussion. I don’t really want to rehash the same discussions about the US election over and over again for the thousandth time. When history is discussed, it’s at a meme level, with a handful of historical events being referenced exclusively, oversimplified and weaponized to own your political opponents. The world is filled with color, depth, life, and wonder, but when site culture is so focused on scoring points, the result is everyone’s too guarded and defensive to appreciate that.
I’d much rather read people randomly gushing about some special interest or rabbit hole they went down, or even just rambling thoughts about whatever, compared to the latest story about the latest thing and discussions where everyone knows where they stand based on their camp. It gets boring.
The anti-Americanism. We are not all the same.
You guys just had a war criminals cheered by the congress ofc I’m anti-american.
I wish we could filter their ridiculous lemmy.world-level takes. They are fucking annoying.
You’re just not paying attention
It’s more anti-America than anti-American.
Still, dogmatism in any form is a plague. Pro Americanism, anti Americanism, whatever. Ignoring facts to suit your chosen narrative is gross.
Who says people are ignoring facts in order to have a strong stance?
Me? Just now?
Why do you believe people who have a strong stance must be ignoring facts to have a strong stance?
Straw man. Or misunderstanding.
You admitted it, that’s why I am asking.
