How about you do something so people aren’t reliant on tips in the first place?
Progress takes time. Overton window and shit like that. Babysteps. Slow, but steady.
This isn’t progress. It is actively incentiving having compensation be tips in the tax code.
Yeah, it really seems like it will compound the issue.
Politics is funny, like an oversized truck driven by an oversized grandma whose reflexes have slowed with time. The truck is unwieldy due to its size, and the driver often unable to see over the steering wheel until there is a bump that causes her to glance at more of the road than she’s used to seeing. Even when Grandma does react, the truck is slow to move, and if it moves quickly it runs the risk of tipping over.
We do need bigger change. That change will NOT happen overnight, too much damage has been done. What we need to do is walk back the worst damage, reinforce codes and laws to stop them being overturned by holiday worshipping dick heads, tackle creating a foundation to work off of, and then work towards larger, more meaningful change. In that order. Maybe swap around the middle as needed if blocked by certain justices.
Every single inch will be fought for. Every real change challenged. Harris and the party she hopefully recreates will need our support. Even Old Man
WillowBiden bowed when we sang our song loudly enough, together.But this is not an improvement, this is dividing the middle and poor classes into two categories from a taxation perspective.
And we can effectively shift that balance. I will never willingly advocate for things that hurt people. Though I can be ignorant just like anyone else. What I will do is ask us to come together and seek positive change in the most effective ways, even if that means a temporary set back, so long as there are plans to shore it up quickly. This is because I recognize that short-term sacrifices will probably be necessary to achieve a more positive, bigger picture outcome.
HOWEVER, as we are seeing and experiencing, we as a united voice can help enact better changes and less sacrifices by all yelling into the wind. Seems that when enough people do it, our voices carry rather well.
Ok, so you’re just here to talk like a politician instead of talking about the subject of the conversation, got it 👍
That’s what they told us with Obama, and Clinton and look where we are. Fuck that. Either actually be a leftist or get out of the way for someone who will.
So creating two classes of low income people from a taxation perspective is being leftist?
Like someone else mentioned, all this would do is incenstivize tipping culture from a restaurant/worker point of view, rather then the better option… Company that employs the person should be paying them, crazy idea.
Exactly, it’s just a non-solution
That’s what they told us with Obama, and Clinton and look where we are. Fuck that. Either actually be a leftist or get out of the way for someone who will.
It takes exactly 4 years until the term is over and nothing gets done.
This is stepping backwards. It actively since tivizes companies to not pay a liveable wage because tipped income doesn’t get taxed.
surely you mean incest ivises /s
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Maybe we should talk about the history behind taxing tips…and Social Security checks. Hint: it was Ronald Reagan and he raised them to pay for cutting taxes for the wealthy and corporations
Thank you! I did not know that.
It always comes back to Reagan. This is what happens when you elect an actor celebrity with fucking active dementia to office. He becomes a useful tool to enact policy that the general public does not benefit from because he can remember the lines and deliver it in a package that they are willing to swallow.
Let’s not do it again.
So many people worshipped this fucking asshole for decades. All it takes to impress a large number of Americans is a couple of cruel quips.
So much that is wrong with our country now was put into motion by that shitstain and his cadre.
Why shouldn’t people pay taxes on tips, though? I pay taxes on 100% of my income…
My answer would be that there shouldn’t be tips. Everyone should be receiving a living wage and tips should be relegated to the vulgar past.
I agree, but that’s not an answer to my question. It’s an answer to a different question.
Because, in the vast majority of cases, those who are getting tips don’t even get guaranteed standard minimum wage, but something substantially lower. Most of the time, these are people who are going to get an EIC anyway, so just let them keep it in the first place.
Doesn’t make any sense, income is income is income, if it’s a remuneration you get for work you accomplish your should pay taxes on it. You’ve got waiters making 100k a year (before you say that doesn’t happen, I worked with a bunch of them) that would pay taxes on 15k and the rest would be tax free while you make 60k a year and pay taxes on everything?
And, if we get rid of tipping and pay them a fair wage then all of the smoke and mirrors / abuse goes away. Further, maybe you shouldn’t be paying much if any taxes on 60k/year…
Quit falling into the logic trap that this is a fight between those who don’t get enough. The rich need to be paying a hell of a lot more and the poor need to be paying a hell of a lot less.
You’re mixing issues there, this is exactly what eliminating taxes on certain forms of income would lead to, fights between people of the lower classes, I can tell you from experience because at my previous job we were in this exact situation, salaried employees knew that tipped employees didn’t pay taxes on everything they got and would work against them when negotiating to renew their collective agreement instead of joining hands and fighting against the employer.
The fact that rich people don’t pay their fair share is a separate issue entirely and even if then did it wouldn’t make it ok to eliminate taxes on certain work related forms of incomes instead of adjusting tax brackets.
Most of them don’t already. They just don’t report cash tips on their taxes. This was a cheap way for Trump to gain votes, so Harris went along with it.
Good. Taxing tips is bullshit. Even 45 can be accidentally right once in a while. Do Tax on Wall Street Speculation instead.
Why is it bullshit? Just because your income comes from clients instead of your boss doesn’t mean it’s not income.
Hell, the US became the US because of the “no taxation without representation” thing, should people who with for tip not be eligible to vote?
Because employers use tips as a reason to pay workers less, even less than minimum wage. It’s a tax on the lower working class. Meanwhile executives like Bezos pay almost zero taxes.
So why choose the wrong solution then? Tax billionaires fairly. Don’t arbitrarily make the waiter not pay taxes but the cook in the back has to? That’s not equal, that’s not fair.
I think tips in general are bullshit and the real answer is to raise minimum wage much higher, so it keeps up with worker productivity. I would prefer that, and to do away with tipping culture entirely. However, passing a tax relief thing is always much easier goal in the US than raising minimum wage, so I’m not letting an ideal internet reply guy solution get in the way of something that actually helps workers. As for it not being fair to the cooks in the back, different jobs pay differently. And believe it or not, some wait staff do share tips with the cooks.
Ok but you said so yourself, it’s work being paid, it’s earnings, are you saying people shouldn’t pay taxes on their earnings?
They will still pay income taxes, just not on the tips portion. This is not at all different than the tiered taxes we already have.
It is different though… At the moment they’re paying on all their income based on tax brackets, with the current they’ll only pay on the regular salary part.
I worked for tip for over a decade, it would have meant not paying taxes on about half my earnings, with tax brackets that would have meant (where I’m at) 3500$ in taxes instead of 13000$ because two thirds of the first half would have been under the minimum taxable amount.
Tips aren’t a gift, it’s salary that comes from customers in exchange for services. You’re creating two classes of lower income citizens if you say that some people don’t have to pay taxes on what might be the majority of their income while the rest pays taxes on all their income.
It’s a bad solution.
I would be thrilled if Harris announced taxes on Wall Street shenanigans.
But I highly doubt it
I think we might start to see CEOs working for tips.
They would totally do that. It’s not far from the $1 salary with millions in stock incentive scam.
Typically they do, just they call it a “performance bonus” and it’s baked into their contract
A CEOs income really isn’t what they’re avoiding paying taxes on.
The difference is, I believe her.
Why don’t they just fix the minimum wage problems and stop allowing tipped jobs to have a lower minimum wage. Also stop letting million plus “charity” organizations employ disabled workers at $0.25. ( Goodwill is a scam)
Yeah why don’t they just fix it?
I’d rather not further cement tips as a fundamental part of our economic system. It’s gotten so stupid to the point where you get asked for a tip before any service has even occurred and then the “service” is often just counter service which used to not be tipped. By not taxing this income, you’re encouraging more income to be paid through tips to avoid taxes. When you’re making all these little exemptions and special cases, maybe it’s time to rethink the fundamental system so that it works better as a base case rather than having all these poorly-applied bandaids.
This will be the gateway to removing tipped minimum wage and eventually minimum wage. People often forget it is not just the employee that pays taxes on tips, but also the employer. This will also hurt an already struggling SSI system. I’d really like to see a detailed breakdown of a 10 year outlook on this plan.
Anything to not pay people a living wage.
I would rather outlaw asking for a tip. And force all restaurants to pay a fair wage and price that into the food price.
This is dumb. Stop incentivizing a tipping economy. Fuck tipping.
Cool. Now let service workers get paid a living wage. Then set the minimum wage to a calculated value based on the rate of inflation and regional cost of living, instead of the idiotic fixed value system. $15/hr is at least 10 years too late.
But that would leave the elites with less money to be trickle down to the economy. Don’t you see the flaws in your proposal?
This is dumb but politically necessary. Big issue in Nevada, good signifier of who is “on the side of the working person.”
But specifically making tips non-taxable encourages more employment to be tip-based.
Makes more sense to cut taxes for these same people by expanding the tax bracket that goes untaxed (currently first $11k).
This sounds like a reason for companies to rely even more on tipping to compensate their workers… How about instead we make the companies pay the taxes on worker income earned through tipping? Then we can finally do away this ludicrous system we’re all pressured to abide by.
Wow I actually really like that idea. I don’t think I would’ve ever come up with it myself. It’d be cool to have a candidate platform made up of the best crowdsourced policy ideas.
Bingo, if they don’t have to report tips every employer is going to say minimums and say they must be lying if it’s more or less.
That doesn’t make any sense, it’s part of income
I’m thinking in the political game theory, it makes sense because it’s going to force Republicans to either support it or oppose it, either of which will make them look silly as trump supporters.
The revenue losses would need to be made up in another way, which would ideally be closing loopholes and more dependably taxing the wealthy. That is assuming that the segment of revenue from tips is even substantial enough to matter.
Anyway it’s going to force the Trump camp to respond. And pretty much every time you do that it provokes more unforced errors from them because they are clueless.
It’s just going to let him parallel his abortion stance where he claims Dems are for his positions until he does them
Just another note, Biden has also mentioned he would sign this into law. This would be even better for Dems than Kamala’s promise. For an election cycle, it would basically delete any value of Trump’s promise to tip earners.
I’ve seen “no tax on tips” on Trump billboards on my area. Clearly Trump thinks it’s an important issue. Having made them waste money would be a hilarious win, also preventing undecided voters from turning out for Trump on this single-issue is a clear strategic design.
" . . . echoing trump vow"
FY AP.
