Harris says she would appoint a Republican to her Cabinet if elected
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In a clip of a CNN interview scheduled to air in full Thursday night, Harris said she was committed to welcoming diverse points of view.

“I have spent my career inviting diversity of opinion. I think it’s important to have people at the table when some of the most important decisions are being made that have different views, different experiences,” Harris said. “And I think it would be to the benefit of the American public to have a member of my Cabinet who was a Republican.”

  • someguy3@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    No, it points out that things can get done if the politicians want to force them to be done.

    And what I’m saying is that it’s different for the GOP and the Dems. That’s the whole point:

    For the Dems to do pretty much anything (not all, most), they need all 3. They need all 3 to actually pass anything.

    For the GOP to do most (not all, most) of what they want to do, they only need 1. Most (not all, most) of what they want to do is block things.

    This difference in what they need is the whole point.

    If it’s pretty easy to pass tax breaks why isn’t it pretty easy for Dems to do anything at all?

    Dude, I just explained this. If you’re going to ignore this conversation is not going to continue. So here it is: They (GOP) get one house and they can demand tax breaks or they shut down the government.

    Ok? Need more? Dems by and large are not so eager to shut down the government. Nor to default, which is also what the GOP threatens to do. The GOP is wiling to burn down the country, they don’t care. The Dems obviously aren’t because they have a brain. Do you have any idea of what will happen if the government shuts down for long periods? Or if the govt defaults? It would be fucking bad. The GOP is willing and may even be happy to do that because they imo want to burn everything down anyway.

    ACA

    This supports my point.

    Yeah I’m covering the very few points where they need all 3. Most (not all) of what they want to do is block which only takes 1. In addition, I’m explaining that when the GOP has all 3 they can act quickly because they are not actually writing or constructing anything new. All they want to do is repeal. Ok?

    So having all 3 doesn’t guarantee anything if you haven’t been doing the setup well. Dems refuse to ever do the setup for left policies,

    … Ok you know this works both ways, right? Even when the Dems have all 3, people like Manchin or Sinema hold out and play games. Again, that’s why it’s harder for the Dems. And why we often get watered down stuff.

    And you do realize that this “setup” means it’s harder for Dems right? Whenever they want to pass something new, they need to figure out EXACTLY how progressive each Congressman is willing to be, down to the VERY specific detail. And if Manchin plays games, they get to start again. Again, constructing policy is wayyyy harder than braindead repeal.

    And now the same Dems are trying to pass a border wall

    Not the same border deal afaik. Is it a sweetheart deal? Yes. Still not the same. AND this is politics and 4 more years of Fox screaming about immigrants, Dems know it’s an issue they can’t ignore. So why are they running on it? Because they need to appeal to as many voters as they can. Why do they need to appeal to as many voters as they can? Because. They. Need. All. 3. Houses. And. They. Know. It.

    Were you shocked with this?

    What? I’m not shocked about this. Like nice attempt to turn this around. Again, this is about WHY the Dems need all 3 and the GOP doesn’t. It’s because the GOP is trying (and succeeding) at ruling from the bench.

    Why didn’t the Democratic party ever codify roe v Wade when they had the opportunity?

    Is this the “why didn’t they do everything, everywhere, all at once?” So they could have done this in the 4 MONTHS that Obama had a filibuster proof majority (MAYBE, if a dem senator like Manchin didn’t play games). Obama decided to get ACA through. You know that thing that people didn’t have at the time and desperately needed? I don’t blame him for going for the new desperately needed item.

    And this goes back to the difference between the nature of what Dems and GOP want to do:

    Dems need to carefully research, craft, and write new legislation. VERY detailed policy. This takes a ton of time, effort, and political capital.

    Compare that to GOP: All they want to do is repeal, like repeal the ACA. They don’t need to do careful research, or write detailed policy. They didn’t have a replacement ready. All they need to do is say “ACA is repealed”.

    But rather than try to pull it left with equal force,

    Dude. This whole conversation is how it doesn’t work as equally as you want to think. The whole point is that there is a MASSIVE difference between what it takes for what the Dems want to do, and what the GOP wants to do. Again, the Dems need all 3 to do much of anything. The GOP only needs 1 of the 3 to block pretty much everything, or as we’ve seen they can do it from the bench too.

    The left: To actually write and pass progressive legislation takes a ton of actual work, effort, and time. And all 3 houses to pass it.

    The right: Most (not all, most) of what they want is to sit on their ass and block things. And let Fox News whip people into Hysteria. It takes fuck all to do that.

    Slow down, read carefully, and consider what I’ve written. Don’t jump to just wanting to be upset. Slow down and understand how and why it works differently.

    the Democratic party runs rightward

    Guess how often the Dems have had all 3. Drumroll please, it’s 4 of the last 24 years. Want to go back even further? Then it’s 6 of the last 44 years. Read that again, Dems have had all 3 for 6 years out of the last 44 fucking years.

    That means for 20 of the last 24 years, they have been forced to reach across the aisle. Or if you want to go back further, that means for 38 fucking years of the last 44 year they have been forced to reach across the aisle.

    And you’re amazed that they reach across the aisle? And you’re amazed that they go to the center to find voters?

    You can never win like this if your goal is actual leftist policy.

    Take another look at those years. If you want things to move left, you have to do a lot fucking better than giving them control for only 4 years every 24 years. A lot better than 6 years every 44 fucking years.

    How do you move things left? By giving Dems consistent and overwhelming victories. That means all 3 houses, consistently and overwhelmingly.

      • someguy3@lemmy.world
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        5 months ago

        Exactly, It doesn’t matter if the Dems hold all 3 office or not, they cannot (or will not) push left wing policies

        So how do we solve this? Here’s an idea, give Dems huge overwhelming victories so that the fringe Manchin or Sinema don’t get the final say.

        choosing instead to build around “concessions”

        Dude, it’s not “choice”. It’s being forced. So how do we solve this? Again, give Dems huge overwhelming victories so that the fringe Manchin or Sinema don’t get the final say.

        Why do they assume that all the voters they need to gain are to the right?

        Dude, I already gave you the history. They’ve had control for 4 of the last 24 years. They have an abysmal win rate because the left never shows up. So they go to the center to find votes. Because the left never shows up. Maybe I’ll go into even more detail, we’ll see. (Yup, added below! Read that before responding.)

        The center vote BTW is worth double, because it’s a vote for you and a vote taken away from the other party.

        Yes, they chose to instead pass a…heritage foundation based healthcare plan…

        Ok even more detail on ACA.

        Ok Obama and ACA (or more broadly his first two years). He likely reached out for two reasons. One: he wanted to mend the divisions after Bush’s disastrous wars. Get the country unified and back on track and all that jazz. Two: any intelligent candidate knows it’s unlikely they’re going to have control of Congress for all eight years, so he wanted to come off as reasonable and could be worked with, so that he could still accomplish things later in his presidency. I barely blame him for those two. Who knew that the GOP was going to explode and become obstructionist to that degree because a half black man got elected. (BTW Biden learned from that and said nuts to it, he’s doing what needs to be done. Biden ran center, but is acting left. And it cost him.)

        Want more? Then show up. This is very simple. They will do what they can get by. Want them to get more through? Then show up and vote for them.

        Again, right wingers like manchin wouldn’t be a problem if the party didn’t constantly move right.

        Orrrrrrrrrrrr Manchin wouldn’t be a problem if he was the dead even vote.

        Soooooooo again how do you solve this? Again, give Dems huge overwhelming victories so that the fringe Manchin or Sinema don’t get the final say.

        Okay, so that should be used as evidenced that their strategy of ever inching to the right doesn’t work

        Yeah I guess we need more detail. I have this conversation enough that I have it saved:

        Ok let’s go through this chronologically.

        Jimmy Carter: Told people to conserve and got voted the fuck out.

        Bill Clinton: After successive Dem losses Bill figured out “it’s the economy stupid”, aka center policy, not left policy. And when you run against an incumbent (Bush senior) you generally run from the center. So that’s what he did. And he won.

        Gore: After the population hopefully warmed up with Bill Clinton, he stuck his head out left with climate change. And bam he lost the election. Thanks 3rd party protest voters! Aka: The left never shows up.

        Obama: So guess what Obama learned? Don’t stick your head out. He ran on vague “hope”, hoping the ambiguity would be enough considering Bush’s disastrous wars. And he won.

        More on Obama: so he enacted the ACA. That’s great, right? The thanks Obama got for that was to lose the House of Representatives for year 3 and 4. And lose the House of reps again for years 5 and 6. And then lose both the House of reps and the Senate for years 7 and 8. Thanks voters that can’t be assed to show up after the most progressive healthcare bill ever! Aka: The left never shows up.

        Hillary Clinton: So what did Hilary learn from the last 6 years of Obama? She learned that the left never shows up. So she ran a mostly center platform to get voters, BUT with a big position to left on the map room to climate change. She basically declared war on climate change. You know that big important issue that all the leftists care about, right? The big important issue that the leftists say they want and will show up for, right? And guess what happened? Bam she lost. Thanks protest non-voters! Aka: The left never shows up.

        Biden: Just like Obama learned from Gore, Biden learned from Hillary that you don’t stick your head out left on anything. And he was running against an incumbent, so once again when you do that you run center. He’s actually been governing more from the left, but he ran center. And guess what his poll numbers were before he dropped out? Yeah abysmal. He delivered many things on the left (need me to list them?), and: The left wing left him hanging in the polls.

        And people are amazed that they don’t run a big left platform? Every time they stick their head left they lose. Every Single Time. And the next guy learns to go to the center to win. Because the center voters actually show up.

        With this history, you’d be an absolute fool to cater to and rely on the left. Because. They. Never. Show. Up.

        So how do you get them to move left? By giving them victories first. Consistent and overwhelming victories. Show them it’s safe to take policy chances. Because when they lose, like they’ve lost 20 years out of the last 24 years, like they’ve lost for , they will go to the center to find votes.

        If you want to “make concessions to win elections” and you aren’t winning elections…you’re just conceding.

        Dude that means you win the election. What you probably mean to say you are not winning leftist policy. Well guess fucking why. Because they lose every single time they either run on left policy, or enact left policy. Because. The. Left. Never. Shows. Up. So how do you get leftist policy? By giving Dems consistent and overwhelming victories.

        There’s the history for you. I don’t know if I’ll bother to continue to respond. I notice you quietly shifted away from the main point how the Dems need all 3 while the GOP doesn’t. You shift away so that you can continue to be mad. Seems very much that’s all you want to do feel.

        Yeah on that note I’ll summarize Biden’s accomplishments in case I don’t want to respond: Green energy, EV investment, union empowerment, student debt forgiveness, marijuana pardons and likely rescheduling, infrastructure, drug price controls, Chips act, PACT act, etc etc etc. Non-competes banned (by FTC along ‘party lines’). Pardoning people kicked out for being gay. Supporting Ukraine, which is a big deal.