If you compare the same type of truck instead of comparing a regular cab mid size truck with a full size crew cab truck, you realize that they’re mostly higher than they were before but otherwise their dimensions aren’t that much bigger, especially if you compare with the evolution of car sizes. The mk6 Jetta was a subcompact even though it’s the same size as a mk5 Passat which was a compact.
I agree a bit more a direct comparison would be helpful. And you’re right, that besides height (which is a HUGE issue), their dimensions haven’t change much outside of safety norms.
The main problem (besides that height) is what’s being sold has changed drastically. In the 90’s, a regular cab was the default, now it’s special order or not even offered. A 2024 Ranger has way more power and can tow more than a 1995 F-150, yet so many people still get a F-150 to just tow the family trailer, if that.
So let’s compare a modern mid-size to a classic full size truck then. https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fmqo0vj17ytm61.png
Regular cab vs crew cab, try again.
Are there any small trucks available that aren’t crew cabs? I know the maverick didn’t have an option for it last time I looked and that’s everyone always suggests when I bring up that I hate all the available trucks these days. I don’t need to cart around a family of four. I need to haul lumber, tools, and furniture. Give me a single cab with a full bed that isn’t half the size of a school bus. Thanks to the fucking chicken tax and CAFE that’s impossible now.
Extended cab with 6’ box are a thing, regular cabs are available on full size trucks with the same fuel economy.
It could be 8ft if they ditched the extended cab and I do not want a full size truck. I’m short as fuck and they’re a pain in the ass to get things in and out of and just more of a pain to get around in general. I want a truck like the 1998 Ford Ranger. Unless something like that becomes available I’ll stick to my civic and borrowing my dad’s shitty Colorado when I need a truck.
The Ranger never had an 8ft bed so I don’t know why an extended cab + 6 ft bed isn’t ok considering that it means you have space to transport stuff outside the elements without needing a storage box inside the bed taking space.
And worst case, just get an older truck, it’s not as if vehicles just explode after 5 years on the road.
The Ranger never had an 8ft bed so I don’t know why an extended cab + 6 ft bed isn’t ok
I was just pointing out that they could do that and it would be better for me. If you need the stuff you’re hauling to be protected from the elements you can use a bed cover or a tarp. Even with my civic I just put groceries or whatever small stuff in the passenger seat. I have little use for interior space. There have been many occasions using that Colorado where a longer bed would have been great.
As far as old trucks go you’d have to go back a lot further than five years to find something that meets the criteria I’m looking for and hope you find one that was actually cared for.
Capitalists hate competition
I have one of those 2 seater pickups from 2010. Best vehicle ever, 7-8L/100km and the same size box as the whale behind it.
There’s no way you can get 7-8L/100Km on a pickup in the city. Are you living in the countryside so there’s no traffic?
I have a 30km commute of mostly 50-70km/h roads.
A Piaggio Ape with a 50cc engine and two seats manages 3-4L/100Km (>70mpg) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah even in my sedan I get 7.8 and that’s with a lot of long distance travel
You have a fairly large engine then right? A VW Polo V with 75hp does 5.5l/100km mixed
I would love to have an EV but there’s 0 charging station in a 15Km radius from my house, and way too much gas station. FML.
Home charging is not an option.
Home charging is not an option.
I am curious if you are rural enough to be that far from any EV charging station, why wouldn’t home charging be an option? Every rural person I know can do whatever the hell they want, and slapping a 60A circuit into their primary breaker box and running one meter of cable to an EVSE is easier for them than most city dwellers, that have parking restrictions or rental restrictions or HOA restrictions that drive them to either be unable or for it to require a much longer run.
Yes I am in the rural area and not in USA. My English is not good enough to explain in detail but I’ll try.
My house’s electrical system is almost 50 years old. About 10 year ago, I have to “upgrade” the fuse box just so it can handle one single induction stove of 2500W (the fuse would blown immediately when it’s turned on).
Even a home charging kit of 7,5KWh is out of the question, let alone the more common one of 11KWh (in my country).
A 3KWh AC charger is theoretically possible, however it would take >20 hours to charge a typical 50KWh EV.
I charge my ev on 240V 15A, so 3600W. It easily charges to 80% overnight
I don’t know how electrical grid work here, but I assume I can’t use more than 3300W at any given time (we use 220V and the fuse box said 15A, or is it 20A? I’ll have to double check). So if I were to charge an EV, I have to turn off everything else in the house? I can’t live without the Air conditioner. It’s a 800W unit that can do both cooling and heating.
On the flip side, the number of people I see towing an RV behind a mid-sized SUV with the front wheels lifting off the ground is astounding. For every guy that bought a truck that never tows anything heavy and never sees any dirt, there’s two idiots towing something 4x what their car is capable of putting you and everyone else on the road in danger.
Giant land yacht with the LED permanent highbeams tilted up to blind oncoming traffic.
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Those two vehicles are different. The one behind carries more people, can tow greater weight and with the right tyres probably has better capabilities off-road and in poor weather (floods and snow, for example). If the owner only needed it for the boot space then they’d be daft to get the bigger one (and probably wouldn’t, due to fuel efficiency) but how does anyone here know what the owners need them for? Judging by looks is rather passé these days isn’t it?
Most owners don’t need them. Else why is there not a single one of these cars on the roads in the entirety of Europe? Are we so different?
Europe licenses trucks and trailers differently than in the U.S. An American one-ton pickup can tow at a combined weight of up to 26,000lbs in most states on a standard Class D license. The same license you need to operate a Honda Civic. This weight would require a commercial license in Europe, raising the bar for entry.
The lengths of trucks and trailers is also regulated more heavily due to smaller European streets. A vehicle rated to tow a 26,000lb load in Europe would need to be much shorter in length to abide by these regulations. This is why you only see “cab-over” style “lorries” in Europe.
What follows is my opinion on some additional factors:
It’s more affordable for Europeans to hire a professional driver for heavy loads owing to the short distances between destinations. It’s also less likely that your average European owns land or has a need to haul a heavy load to maintain said property.
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So you’re not American right? Over here large pickup trucks are literally the most popular selling vehicles. But only a small portion of these people actually use these things for anything they’d need one for. Half of my apartment parking lot is large pickup trucks. They pollute, they’re less safe, they’re a waste of money, and they crowd parking space.
Even among the minority of people who regularly do things necessitating a pickup, only a small fraction of those need these huge heavy duties.
I’m not mad at the rural guys with these trucks hauling heavy equipment and trailers around out in the country. It’s the urban and suburban people who don’t need them at all is what gets me. If you need a pickup truck once or twice a year you can rent one for a day for ridiculously cheap.
I don’t think the spotless white f250 parked in what looks like a strip mall parking lot in a warm climate is doing any off roading or driving through snow.
You’ve got a point about towing/load capacity, but the large majority of the time I see those big 4 door pickups driving around, they have one passenger, an empty bed, and no trailer behind them.
Can we get AI to make a version with increasing recursion into city-sized monster trucks?
I saw someone in a Dodge Ram yesterday when I was out of a bike ride. Frigging huge it was. This is in rural England where the roads are really not designed for these sorts of vehicles. I’d imagine that it wouldn’t actually fit down some of the narrow country roads because it was so big.
Dickheads. Looking forward to meeting one around here on my tractor and making it reverse uphill into a T junction.
I remember reading a study done in the late 1990s (I’m pretty sure it was ford) that looked at who was most likely to buy a pickup truck so they could market them better, and they found the people who buy pickup trucks fall into 2 categories, one, a blue collar boss buying it for his employees, or two, an insecure man in his 30s-50s trying to compensate
a blue collar boss buying it for his employees
I assume this means for his business, to be used by employees? I can’t imagine a boss buying his employees a truck.
The guy that drives the land yacht once brought home a couple of two by fours in it from Home Depot, so he feels justified in owning it too. “Sometimes there’s just mo substitute for a good truck.” When his ac cannot handle the heat, he still won’t experience any introspection.
The beds are the same size too. It’s not even a better truck than the old one.
But it’s legal to manufacture today, unlike the old one. CAFE rules changed in 2012 to be based on footprint instead of vehicle class, so they essentially outlawed small trucks and gave auto manufacturers an easy way out of efficiency regulations by just making cars bigger every refresh cycle.
Thanks Obama!
But jokes aside that’s how everything geta done.
Industry writes rules for themselves and nobody knows how such thing happened but nobody is at fault and nothing to be done really … Kk thx bye
This was more of a misguided response to other manufacturer fuckery.
They would just classify everything as a truck before. The fucking PT Cruiser was a “truck.”
misguided
In tejas we called that corruption…
Meh. The Ranger, S-10, and Dakota were major sellers for the automakers and they’ve felt that hit . The Ranger has come back in name, but not in size.
The fact that a 2008 Ford Ranger with 150,000 miles can still sell for 12-15k tells you there’s still a huge demand for this class of truck. The manufactures don’t get another dime out of that S-10 that’s changed hands 4 times - often to people who would have gladly bought new if it were an option.
Another vehicle class just died to increasingly-strict CAFE rules on vehicle footprint - the small cargo van. The Nissan NV200, Ford Transit Connect, and Ram ProMaster City were all discontinued in the last few years. These were all hugely popular.
These were all hugely popular.
Because they did the truck job for kinda cheaper?
Why sell you practical good value product when they can sell you FORD HEMI 650 69 litre
we can talk about the product by product basis but if you look at the big picture, it now became clear what they did back then.
I hate these bullshit oversized trucks too, but to be fair the big one has a much bigger cab for more passengers, a much bigger engine, and a much bigger towing capacity.
This is the wrong sub for such comments… but I agree with you. If you need a truck and you have a family you can buy the smaller truck, but then you also have to buy a car to carry the family. The larger truck will let you haul your family and give you the pickup truck that you need.
Yeah, I don’t care about the downvotes.
The comment I replied to implied the vehicles capabilities were similar, which just isn’t the case.
It’s fine to hate cars, especially these oversized trucks, but let’s keep it real.
Aren’t some of these going to a 4.5 foot bed? I once had a bargain basement Isuzu pickup because it was the cheapest car you could buy new in the US (early 90’s). I’m pretty sure that had an 8 ft bed or close to it.
I have a similar comparison between my 2000 bmw z3 and 56 Chevy bel air with a 74 Chevelle engine and I have tested my z3 mpg and got 29mpg and knowing my z3 tank and bel air tank are the same size and every week of daily driving my z3 has about a quarter of a tank left and my bel air typically has half a quarter left so I guesstimate my bel air gets about 20 or 25 mpg but because I work at a dealership I get to see the mpg of every brand new car that comes in and I’ve seen 4runners tundras and Silverados that roll onto the lot rated at as low as 15mpg how the fuck is my car from the 50s more eco friendly than a considerable number of new cars on the road today if my car had a overdrive I could probably understand but I have a 3 speed automatic that it came out the factory with I should be needing to have at least a modern engine and transmission to make my bel air comparable but no just having a early 70s motor is enough to get better mileage then new 2024 trucks
Also remember that those trucks are both heavier and less aerodynamic than your Bel-Air. A well-equipped Tundra or Silverado is pretty close to the weight of your Bel-Air and Z3, combined.
I guarantee that your 70s motor isn’t really all that eco-friendly. Once all the emissions stuff is warmed up, those trucks are honestly pretty “clean” in regards to tail pipe emissions compared to even a car 20 years ago. Remember that CO2 and water aren’t the only things emitted, and while they’re worse on the CO2 front, anything without a catalytic converter is going to emit some pretty nasty stuff in addition to all all the CO2.
I used to own a 2012 Jeep Patriot. I swapped the air filter, fuel filter, spark plugs, plug wires, and coil pack. Chrysler sent technicians to me to verify that, yes, as long as I kept the tach between 1000 and 2000, I was getting 35/50 mpg.
I figured this out because I was a delivery driver at the time, and managed to go from Lexington, KY to a town in northern South Carolina that I cannot remember the name of, on one tank of fuel.
The bel air probably doesn’t have any emissions stuff. That’s why it gets better gas milage that you expect, whereas the newer stuff absolutely does. Plus trucks are geared for torque, unlike a car, which reduces mpg. A more apt comparison would be to older ('50-'70s) trucks, where you were probably talking more around 9-10mpg without emissions.
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What i don’t understand is how fuel efficiency does not seem to be a concern of an average buyer? It is a large factor for me, and I’m proud to have highly efficient car for its class. Are those large trucks somehow more efficient than older, smaller models? Or are average buyers just not concerned with efficiency?
Well not everyone has seen the light of factorio, so i might be over-fixating on efficiency.
Oh, they don’t care. Didn’t you know the price of gas is always the fault of the opposing parties last or current elected president??? That’s the AMERICAN way! Blame everybody else, and never accept the consequences for your own actions.
The diesel HD trucks can average nearly 20mpg, and the diesel half tons can get almost 30. The gas trucks will get 10-17mpg with good highway tires. Off road tires bring it down to 8-15.
I’m completely in agreement that the people bitching about fuel prices are often the ones driving something like this. My truck is an HD gasser and I pay 4.50 a gallon right now. Sure it sucks, but I have a need for a truck. Other guys just drive them to an office job where a smaller fun car could easily get the job done. In a surprising twist though of just efficiency and aero dynamics my twin turbo V8 sports sedan will pull almost 28mpg on the freeway. Both are not hybrid.
I have definitely said though that I wish there was a hybrid gas HD truck. It makes perfect sense. If I need to run a welder or other high power usage tool I would love to have that capability, while still being able to tow 17k pounds no problem and carry 6 people comfortably. They have already proven it works with the F150 power boost, and that gets almost 28mpg freeway.
Wait that’s still the mpg in the us ? That’s the same gallon we use in the uk ? (As I learnt the a us gallon can be different when talking about whisky or some thing along those lines…)
They are different standards, 100%! I hate that MPG in both English speaking countries means two different things. It’s like how Americas horsepower number is different than Britains. I feel bad for Canada too who’s caught between British units and American Units, and that’s before being dragged into the metric vs imperial. It’s unfortunate.
Eh, we Canadians officially use L/100km, which just make so much more sense to compare fuel efficiency. MPG can be so misleading.
Correct, but you use imperial units for home building. Which I imagine is annoying and confusing.
Different gallons. One US gallon is 0.832674 UK gallons, or 3.785412 liters.
UK mpg are different than US mpg, it looks like 1 mpg US is ~1.2 mpg UK
An imperial gallon is slightly bigger than a US gallon.
Full size trucks can get about 22 mpg highway. A 2011 Ford Ranger, the last year they were made, got 19 highway, with the v6…
They have gotten more fuel efficent.
With all due respect, those numbers are terrible.
Light truck fuel efficiency has slowly been dragged up kicking and screaming by CAFE “fleetwide” rate by .25 to 1.3 MPG per year over the last decade or so. If memory serves we get 1.7 more MPG on light trucks in 2025.
Not sure if you’re aware but Ford has resumed production of the Ranger, it’s just now the same size as the Chevy Colorado: huge.
Im aware. I dont consider it to really be a ranger
Fuel efficiency is a consideration but if you want a truck you really don’t have many options. You would think the mid size ones do ok but they really don’t, at least mine didn’t. I just got a full size diesel truck which can get around 30mpg on highway but usually the diesel engine costs more than the price difference of using a gas engine over like, a lot of years. (20mpg vs 30mpg but $5k more at purchase. Can buy a lot of gas for $5k).
Yeah all the people bitching about gas prices are getting 8-12 mpg in these things, filling a 25 gallon tank once a week. A lot of these folks aren’t exactly rich either and the trucks are expensive. They’re paying a mortgage payment in monthly fuel, insurance, and loan expenses on these things.
If they could keep their egos in check, they’d save a lot of money.
Or the fuckers rolling coal in lifted diesel pickup trucks. Like if you drive in that trash your opinion on gas prices is null
My coworker complains about gas every other day. Like asshole, you drive your pickup truck three miles to work behind a fucking computer.
It’s a 8 minute bike ride.
For people in modern countries - that’s about 28 litres per 100km that these selfish, thoughtless fuckers are going through. Cunts
My wee car uses about 5.5 for reference
Kept reading about the fuel costs but never bothered to do the conversion. I understood they drank a lot so didn’t feel the need to know exactly how much…didn’t realize it was quite that high. Fucking hell… And I thought 10-15 was a lot for a car.
Part of the issue is that, despite people whining about how “high” fuel prices are, they are extremely low compared to most of the world, even during periods where it’s higher than usual. Although a sustained period of higher than usual fuel prices can get some to switch, like the period around the financial crisis.
Got myself blocked by a friend who was bitching about the high cost of gasoline and pointed out how cheap gas actually is in the US because its subsidized so much. Wait, the block came later when he was complaining about welfare queens or something. I mentioned that was an interesting take from a farmer since they are the biggest welfare queens in the country.
To put this into perspective, current petrol prices are hovering just below £1.50 per litre in the UK, that’s $8.64 / gallon
My 91 Cherokee has better mileage than a lot of modern cars, I think the last time I did some basic calculations it came out to about 25 MPG.
What a comparison. Pavement princess evolution.
