We reached the point (some time ago) where the save icon being a floppy disk makes absolutely no sense to anyone born after a certain time. We could choose a more modern media format and use an icon of that instead, but we would run into the same problem once that media becomes obsolete.

What is a good icon for the function of saving something that can easily be understood by anyone regardless of language or the march of time?

Edit: I know it’s not really an answerable question and is hard but the question is what would you come up with if tasks to design an icon. Given the constraints of the question, what are your best shots at coming up with something that fills the requirements and why do you thing it would work?

  • Etterra@discuss.online
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    24 hours ago

    Just keep using the disk icon.

    Just because the original reference is outdated doesn’t mean it’s useless; the symbolism carries over. Changing it to the sake of future-proofing makes no sense because everybody already understands it now, and that knowledge will carry forward into the future. It has become the standard, even if it makes no sense, it even if it never made sense.

    Horsepower is still used to refer to engine strength, even though nobody uses horses. Qwerty is still the keyboard default even though it’s not optional, because typewriters had settled on that standard ages ago. The human skull symbol is commonly used as a shorthand to indicate a substance is poisonous, because it has been for a long time. Even the term “dial” when referring to phone calls is still commonly used, even though nobody but your great-grandmother still even owns a rotary phone.

    Tldr; If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

  • Klnsfw 🏳️‍🌈@lemmynsfw.com
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    I would merge the idea of saving and bookmarking, because basically they mean “I want to be able to retrieve this”

    ☆ (unsaved)

    ★ (saved)

    As a symbol, since the humanity is traveling, the stars are used to find what they are looking for or find it back (typically the North Star). And I’m pretty sure it will stay meaningful for a galactic civilisation.

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    Assuming people still know what a folder is, the most obvious would be a folder with an arrow going into it, like:

    or

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      I like it! No need to know the language or anything. Things collect in basins like rain in bowl-shaped rocks so even without our current level of technology it would still have some indication of saving/gathering.

      • Spiderwort@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        Thanks. Maybe a bit cryptic. Maybe add a couple dots to indicate stuff is being added and removed?

        And is there any way to underline the fact that it’s MY bowl that’s being taken from and added to? Is it necessary? I dunno. Mulling required.

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    2 days ago

    An AI with a billion samples to draw from might deliver the collective unconsciousness visual you’re looking for.

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    Seems pretty easy…

    You need an icon of a paper with text on it, an arrow pointing from the paper down to a larger box.

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    2 days ago

    I’m not sure if anybody said it yet, but I think a simple figure embracing something would be pretty universal for a “save” and then delete would be that figure rejecting something by putting his hands up and turning its head.

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    There is no correct icon, the floppy disk is at least popular enough to be used essentially forever

    Alternatives would be making an SVG that mocks a HDD, or an open drawer with an arrow pointing in

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      For long term (1000 years) I think an open drawer is best especially with an arrow. It suggests putting something in, loading can be the inverse

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        So people used to store stuff in physical space like drawers? You mean if they needed something they had to physically go there and get it out of something else? Man, early humans were crazy.

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    What are you doing when you save something? You’re keeping it in its current state, held in stasis, to be retrieved later. Maybe using freezing imagery (like a snowflake) could get that concept across, and it would retain its meaning over time.

    Another way to think of saving is storage - putting something in a convenient location for later access. A safe might be a useful image, but it implies security. Other types of storage devices seem too likely to change with time. Maybe a pocket? If there was a way to graphically represent putting something in your pocket that would be a fairly universal and durable image.

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    Maybe something like a document going into a safe? As things are increasingly digital, both of those technologies become somewhat less relevant. On the other hand, one could go with 保存 on a button. Chinese and Japanese speakers will instantly know what it does. Others could learn. At some point, kanji are just slightly more complex squiggles to represent an increasingly non-concrete thing.