Summary
Bill Gates criticized Elon Musk for his support of far-right politicians, including the UK’s Tommy Robinson and Germany’s AfD party, calling it “insane shit” and accusing Musk of destabilizing political systems.
Gates questioned Musk’s focus on divisive politics while managing global businesses like Tesla and SpaceX.
Gates also expressed concern about wealthy individuals influencing foreign elections.
Musk has faced backlash for controversial actions, including a Nazi salute.
One oligarch calls out another for brownie points with the public
Bill Gates really doesn’t want to get eaten. Remember he is not one of us, he is one of them.
He can avoid the oven by being more vocal.
Right thing for the wrong reasons is still the right thing. We’ve got bigger fish to fry than him.
For now.
I bet you he’d be great with some malt vinegar.
Every single billionaire is a policy failure. By hoarding that much wealth, they are literally bad people. But that doesn’t mean they can’t do good things, or even give away what they don’t need, like the ex-billionaire Charles Feeney who redeemed himself and donated most of his billions, anonymously.
Oligarch Wars
I never expected the end to be so boring: White Collar Apocalypse. Wait, what collar colour are billionaires?
Disclaimer: >!I don’t actually think it’s “The End”!<
Horizon zero dawn did it better
Preferably red…
Your spoilers are wrong.
I think spoilers on Lemmy use triple colons:
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Reminds me of comments made when Colin Powell resigned (ie “…bunch of fucking Crazies!”) [referring to the republican administration atvthe time].
This is exactly what he wants, for you to see him as a good guy billionaire. There’s no such thing. He is one of them not one of us, this is just PR and lip service
If this is a tactical move purely for selfish reasons, its not a good one considering the power Musk now wields. I think this is genuine from Gates. Saying it out loud maybe is a degree of performance, but I think he likely legitimately finds Musk’s fascist support a morally bad thing.
Assuming all billionaires are constantly playing some kind of 4D chess game is just as bad being overly charitable when a billionaire says or does something that could be seen as good. Remember, Elon Musk has put himself in the spotlight constantly despite it often times hurting him financially, his desire to be liked/beloved as a genius is also genuine its just fueling frequently terrible decisions.
That said, Gates is still an egotist and obviously pretty conventionally selfish (at what I’d describe as a pretty human level, if an average joe/jane came to have billions of dollars they’d probably treat the money in similar ways as Gates). Gates doesn’t deserve his wealth and Gates is no genius either, I just don’t think hes a fascist or a sociopath like Musk is.
I don’t think you’re wrong in general, and I could give you a list of criticisms of Gate’s actions even today. But if we’re going to have wealth disparity, and we probably always will, I’d rather it be pragmatic self-interest clothed in good will than rabid self-interest clothed in freedom.
I don’t think that way, sorry
He is probably just envious he didn’t get to do it himself. Or that it doesn’t fit his made-up persona.
The insane shit is probably Musk’s obsession with trying to impress gamers with his (pretend) gaming skills. Having characters in Diablo 4 or PoE2 being clearly played by other people, while acting like this is his work alone.
Grindy shit. Call me when he wins a Quake 3 tournament.
I for one wouldn’t rule out that, when Musk talks about working 12-hour days, what he really does is to let others work, while he sits on his ass tweeting and playing video games like the pathetic fraud that he is.
Did he do that for D4? I thought I heard he could actually play that, but he just absolutely n00bed up the PoE2 play.
From the sounds of it he just sucks at all games. The one game we know he plays himself is a little puzzle game that’s on the level of tic tac toe. It’s just a dopamine generator.
If he’s so desperate to impress about something as inconsequential as gaming, what kind of lies is he saying about everything else …
Like if anyone ever screamed “overcompensating for a small dick”…
Like we probably don’t have the scientific equipment to actually locate Musk’s cock if it’s size is relative to how much he’s overcompensating.
That’s the vibe of the whole Trumptard government, SDE
Wasn’t he kissing Trump’s ass a week ago?
I have to question the judgement of Bill Gates when he calls Musk “super-smart”. Maybe if Musk started out with no money, that would be fair in some sense. I think he was just lucky and unencumbered by ethics or self-doubt.
Bill Gates has also been riding an unearned “genius” appellation for decades. He didn’t make DOS. (His charitable work on vaccination is also questionable - iirc there were concerns over intellectual property rights)
The tide is turning against billionaires, and he’s just recognizing that Musk is making them all look bad.
It’s a compliment sandwich. You have to include the two pieces of compliment bread even if it’s bullshit or else you’ll be accused of not offering constructive criticism.
To be fair there are plenty of ruthless greedy people with zero morals out there but Musk is far more successful than any of them so something has to differentiate him. He might not be intelligent enough to recognise what a crigerworthy loser he is but let’s not pretend he isn’t smart.
Mate, he is on a very self destructive spiral doing those nazi salutes at the inauguration. That’s not a smart move. He’s let his fantasies get the better of him. If he was really smart he would shut the fuck up about politics. He has everything, And consequently he values nothing.
A person doesn’t become not smart no matter how much he flirts with neo nazism. They might be an immoral piece of shit but pretending he isn’t also smart can be extremely dangerous, lest people think we can now just let him wreck his brand and become irrelevant.
Smart can mean many things. My dentist is smart, but he is not well rounded. Most people aren’t well rounded smart.
Musk is a good investor, and expert con artist. He is smart in those ways.
He’s about as smart as trump is a successful businessman.
Trump is worth billions now though…
Maybe if Musk started out with no money, that would be fair in some sense.
Why is this american obsession on weighting the value of men with the money they made? Musk is an idiot regardless of his money or how he made it.
because maybe those american values are fundementally poisoned?
Quite a lot of americans equate money with success and ability. Elon musk must be the smartest guy because dumb people dont make money like that.
I think its reverse engineering though, americans see his worth, and work backwards claiming all his choices are genius and well thought out.
It’s absolutely reverse engineering. People want to believe that the world is a meritocracy, and that means believing that those who have succeeded at meritful.
People avoid internalizing that the world is a kleptocracy, because that would mean having to confront that if they want to get ahead, they’ll have to actively amd knowingly fuck other people over, and most of us are not psychopaths
People who have fully bought into the hard work+talent=success line cannot stand to have that belief shaken by realizing that someone dinner than them lucked/exploited their way to more success than they did.
Americans equal money with power, the more power you have, the more value, etc. That is basically it.
Money = Speech don’t ya know.
Mo’ money is a bigger voice in their system. Other countries call that “corrupt to the core”.
I’m not sure what you mean. I’m not American, and I don’t place much value on enormous wealth accumulation. I’m just acknowledging that there is a difference between gaining enormous wealth with a hefty leg up from family wealth versus doing it from scratch, like growing up in poverty for example.
You can’t get that amount of money without exploitation. If you start from 0 it just means you have to actually work for it but end result is still the same.
I agree. If you started from 0 and got rich you became a class traitor.
you should define the word rich better in this context. Personally I have started to think word “rich” as negative thing, someone who has more than they need at expense of others, but I dont think that is very common way to think.
I think a lot of people don’t consider the exploitation angle. Often they see someone like Bill gates as having invented windows and see his wealth as earned by goods provided that they don’t think would otherwise exist. It’s what capital teaches is the justification for wealth
You’re right, the term is very subjective. The lower bound for me is owning multiple properties, owning a business and making money from the labour of others.
If you want to nudge the ketohead narcissist, you have to pander to the ego.
You can’t become the richest man in the world and the most powerful billionaire in the world by accident, even if you start with a golden spoon. Most millionaire child will just spend the rest of their life being spoiled and unconcerned with the world, very very few spend their money helping others and building society, but him? He spend his time and money resurrecting nazi and making those dystopian scifi real. That’s some insane dedication right there. Smart or not, dude is dangerous.
not by accident, but certainly by luck, and then you can argue whether someone makes their own luck or not, musk hit the jackpot of being at the right moment at the right time and having the right skillset.
There are plenty of alternate universes out there where he became a nobody after paypal.
I think he is dedicated, dangerous and awful. I just don’t think he is smart. I’ve known people who achieved wealth, started successful businesses etc. They had domain expertise and ambition. But they also neglected and fucked up other critical aspects of their lives (like their relationships with partners and kids). I didn’t consider them to be smart. In my mind, smart implies a well roundedness, and the capacity for self reflection, and empathy. Musk just has the personality traits, and family wealth, to enable him to “succeed” in our current society.
See? Bill Gates is one of us! /s
Only abroad?
Mr Gates actually has some power to do something about the crazyness and shittines of the world we live right now.
I don’t discredit his philanthropic work, some of the things he does is actually good, neither that he calls out the insanity, any sane person should do, but, and this but is as huge as the Titanic, Mr Gates, is able to do something about it, and has been for a long time before shit hit the fan tbh, actions speak louder than words, specially the lack of action lmao.
If Mr Gates really feel this way, he should do something about it, he has the money.
Dont mistake his philanthropy for some form of altruism. He setup the Gates Foundation for tax avoidance pure and simple. The fact he tries to do good with it is a side affect.
Okay? So he does good, your point being? He could’ve done what everyone else does in his place and don’t contribute.
You’re letting g perfect be the enemy of good.
your point being?
It’s not nearly enough, he does it to look good more than to actually do good, and he shouldn’t ever have had that much money in the first place
Don’t let someone doing a few good things make you think they don’t deserve to be killed, eaten, and their wealth redistributed
Bill Gates isn’t a good person
Do what? Governments need to do more.
You’re saying Bill Gates should meddle in international affairs to stop Musk?
Yeah, he cares so much about “polio” and hiv which is fine and all, but he is trying to justify Trump ffs, who is, and was, a covid denier! Calling out musk is the bare minimum, and its just so crazy that nobody has done so yet
Maybe it’s no coincidence that Twitter has been pushing all the “Bill Gates Microchip Vaccines” lunatics over the last few years, in order to discredit a rival.
He actually does:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gates_FoundationMeanwhile Muskyboi donates mostly to organizations that align with his business interests, such as those doing AI and STEM stuff:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musk_FoundationMoney’s great and all, but where exactly would his spending help right now?
Trump’s brown-nosing billionaires have trillions between them, let alone foreign governments actively supporting the destabilisation of the western world.
The far-right has the market cornered on information & infrastructure control currently. Even Gates’ would struggle using his money to influence any meaningful change. It’s depressing.
Attacking their fragile egos of Nazis… Now that’s free and plentiful.
And if he starts meddling in politics he would just prove the nut jobs right. Nothing would change since the people that need convincing already believe he is pulling strings. They would vote for Trump either way.
What are the rules on offering a reward and legal counsel/protection for someone providing verifiable information about things like how that anonymous Twitter employee said shit happened.
Tbh I don’t really believe that report, it’s too easy to just write shit up like that anonymously, but I don’t doubt there is some shady shit going on that money would maybe convince someone to leak legit data or knowledge on.
Pistols at dawn. One less billionaire either way.
Actually we have a hydra situation here. There would be more billionaires if any of them died.
Could be two!
Nosferatu says Dracula has gone too far
I feel like it’s the other way around.
Dracula can at least fit into polite society.
We’re safe now, we have a good boy up there who will rotect us against all those bad guys 🤮
Count Chocula is my buddy
Meanwhile Microsoft is assisting the fascist state of Israel in genocide.
So is every US taxpayer.
Unlike the US taxpayer, Microsoft has a choice. But as far as I know, Bill Gates isn’t involved with MS any more.
Isn’t he no longer in control of MS?
