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Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez urged countering the Trump administration’s policies by resisting at every turn, arguing that its incompetence makes it vulnerable.

Her remarks followed chaos caused by a rescinded executive order that temporarily shut down Medicaid portals nationwide.

She encouraged activists to take offline action, citing ongoing mobilization efforts.

Her strategy focuses on making governance difficult for Trump, calling his administration “dangerous and cruel” but also “shockingly dim.”

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    I also think we ought to stop being consumers at a broad level. It’s clear the rich don’t actually trickle anything down and instead hoard it to invest. So, they won’t spend to prop up the economy.

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    I’ve said it before, the Democrats need to take pieces out of the Republican playbook and stonewall the GOP at every opportunity. The problem is that they Democratic party is really a coalition, whereas the modern Republicans are a hierarchy, so getting everyone to lock shields and advance is damn near impossible. Especially since establishment “centrist” Dems are just Republicans from the 80s and unfortunately they’re the ones calling the shots. None of the progressives are stupid enough to tip the boat over while rocking it, so we’ve ended up here. Again.

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      For a long time, I thought the Democrats were fighting valiantly but just overwhelmed by the oligarchy and the Republicans. Then I saw that the Democrats keep losing fights they should win, and figured they must be weak and ineffectual. Then I kept seeing them backing off without putting up a fight at all, and decided they were gutless cowards. Finally I noticed that enough of them keep voting with Republicans to always make sure the Republicans more of less win almost every fight, and that they keep starting from a center position and bargaining to the right, and eventually it became impossible to ignore the only conclusion that fits the facts: The Democrats are not overmatched, they aren’t weak, they aren’t cowards… They are complicit.

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    I used to work for social services in Colorado. There was a Lady there that was fired without cause. She fought it, won in court, got her job back, and I’m pretty sure back pay. Beth, talking bout you, she said always fight, she has and it has always paid off.

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        A lot of times, the manager that caused all that trouble by firing you doesn’t get to be a manager anymore.

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        In that position you’re far more protected from retaliation than a “regular person” – it’s easier to prove with an established history and courts really don’t like have their judgments undermined. You’ve also shown your employer trying to screw with you is expensive.

        Go back and do your job to the letter. They’re either going to be very wary of pissing you off, or they’re going to do something stupid and you’ll get another payout.

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    I would love to start something in my city, and I’ve already been trying, but it’s hard to get people to mobilize. It’s disheartening at the very least. Any ideas on how I can be helpful to my country aside from voting?

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    He is definitely confused, weak and incompetent, backed by confused, weak and incompetent Republicans.

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      Let’s just hope they are so incompetent that they can’t do as much harm as they would like to. Fingers crossed.

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    Basically, resist. Do not comply in advance. Make them fire you. Challenge that firing in court.

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    I just hope she comes out of this unscathed. It only takes one loon with a shiv… and now there’s millions of 'em.

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      I thought this was obvious to everyone. Heck, Futurama had this as a joke 20 years ago when Zapp Brannigan stuffed his crew with nothing but loyalists who fall apart immediately.

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        That was much more “chain of command is incompetent but we have no choice but to obey” rather than “blind loyalty”. Did you forget the episode where he was dishonorably discharged by the DOOP for blowing up the space station with the ribbon cutting laser? His second in command, Kiff, is literally constantly pointing out how stupid and incompetent Zapp is. Hell, even “I sent wave after wave of my own men against the killbots until their counter overflowed”, arguably the worst case of being a loyalist to Zapp, ended in a win for Earth. They didn’t fall apart and collapse - they defeated the unstoppable killbot army and got a medal(show them the medal Kiff).

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    If only AOC didn’t have a battle plan to prevent the union strike when she voted to protect the rail corporation.

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      Oh no, this option isn’t perfect in every way for all people, and thus indistinguishable from being worthless?

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        Yup, get used to it, electoralism is an enemy of all but the strongest class

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      She deserves criticism for that, and she should apologize. Your downvoters either support strikebreaking or support AOC even when she does the wrong thing.

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        She deserves criticism for that but she still does a lot of good and should not be discounted. Saying “if only” kinda sounds like “I would like this good thing she’s suggesting (the subject of the article where they are responding “if only “), if only she didn’t do something I disagreed with once”. A more productive tact would be “I still don’t like that she didn’t support the striking rail workers but the plan she describes here is …”

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          She deserves criticism for that but she still does a lot of good and should not be discounted.

          Agreed. I like AOC and I want her to succeed, despite the efforts of her own party. Liking a candidate doesn’t mean you shirk your responsibility to hold them accountable when they do the wrong thing, though. Quite the opposite. You don’t want them to go all Fetterman on you.

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    Bit late. I appreciate her efforts to resist, and we all need to do that, but it honestly is too late now. The time to resist this was last year. Now we’re in disaster recovery, which requires a whole different kind of resistance, and it feels like even people like her don’t quite understand where we are now.

    Because of all the people who haven’t fucking listened to the warnings, we’ve entered actual fascism, and regular resistance won’t work anymore. Thinking it will only makes more of us believe small actions or Strong Words will save us. This isn’t 1930 Germany like we were warning last year, it’s 1939 Germany now, and der führer is beginning to build the camps.

    Are you going to keep ignoring us when you’re ruffling the ashes of your compatriots from your hair? I honestly believe you will.

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      You’ve convinced me. I was planning to start attending my local town meetings and lend my support to the few outnumbered progressives there, but instead I think I’ll just hoard canned goods and hunker down.

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        If that’s what you took from my comment, I’m sorry. Obviously those are things we should do.

        My point is we’ve been pushing people to do exactly those things for decades (eta and have been doing them ourselves) and it hasn’t worked. We need to do much more than that now.

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          Fair enough. I agree that we all need to do more, but I think that’s going to look different for everyone. For someone like me, it means getting off the Internet and actually showing up - not blowing up a federal building or whatever “much more” implies.

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            Much more is relative.

            For someone like me, it means getting off the Internet and actually showing up.

            Yes, thank you for that. That’s much more for many people. If you actually do that, it will be awesome.

            Might I ask you for even more, though? You’re already starting to do it, but will you speak out to people IRL like you’re doing with me? Challenge their views like you’re doing here? It really helps people to think critically.

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        I’m just saying we need different, more modern strategies. What we’ve been doing doesn’t work.

        We can do better. I don’t know the answer, but we can’t keep doing the same things.

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      I think both you and her are wrong. Dems lost big in this last election. So it’s time to take a fucking step back and ask why. What needs changing? The party is in trouble. And they are in trouble because they are listening to big business and political consultants and not voters and people like AOC and Bernie. Kamala was supposed to be easy ‘safe’ candidate to defeat Trump. How’d that work? Hillary was supposed to be the ‘safe’ candidate to beat him the first time. Safer than Bernie and his ‘crazy radical platform’ of actually making the country work for the fucking people who live in it. How’d that work out?

      Maybe having candidates that manipulate the primary process and count on superdelegates doesn’t work. Maybe putting someone forward who polled at 2% among Democrats before election season doesn’t work. Maybe ‘I’m not Trump’ isn’t fucking good enough to win the White House.

      Unfortunately I don’t see many Democrats talking about this lesson, let alone taking it to heart. So I am looking forward to four more years of complaining and hopelessly attempting damage control while putting forward no new ideas whatsoever.

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        I think both you and her are wrong. Dems lost big in this last election. So it’s time to take a fucking step back and ask why.

        We can ask all we want. The party’s about to appoint Pelosi’s choice for chair. Again. They’re never going to change.

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        So it’s time to take a fucking step back and ask why.

        Obviously we should ask why. But any answers we come up with in response to whatever strategy we’ve been using will be horribly outdated already because we’re no longer operating under even a veiled democracy.

        That was the biggest answer to ‘why’ this last time. Because this is outright, honest to dog fascism. That’s why nothing worked. Because you cannot fight fascism with normal discourse. Because Dems, the media, and everyone still tried to pretend we were working under the status quo when we absolutely were not, and anyone trying to call that out was treated as some kind of alarmist. And the fascists know this, and take advantage of it in their propaganda. Most of us don’t want to believe there’s a true, real, legitimate fascist movement, and fascists use that against us.

        It doesn’t actually matter how good Dem candidates are – Dems could run Jesus himself, seen by all as descending from on high and streamed simultaneously on TikTok, YouTube, and Twitch, and it wouldn’t have mattered. They would easily reject Jesus and get all the centrists to oppose him. We’re in an unprecedented age of propaganda owned exclusively by a handful of sociopaths who know they can buy sentiment, views, and votes. They did, and there’s little we can do about it.

        It doesn’t matter what democrats say or do at this point. We’re past that.

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    finally, a person with a STRATEGY. so sick of the whining.

    she needs volunteers for personal escort and safety. i think she is going to be targeted.

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    It isn’t chump and his taintsuckers you gotta worry about.

    It’s the army of Federalist Society lawyers and policy experts around him. They’ve spent decades figuring out the removed in the armor of our governmental system. Figuring out how to dismantle it piece by piece.

    Edit - wtf is that removed about? Wait…oh. bot thinks I did a racism.

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      I don’t mind removed, but the group of people I don’t care for is the removed. They’re almost as bad as removed!

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              I really need someone to explain all the random marxist leninists bogey-man bigotry that happens on this site at some point. Like this is a completely weird-o comment, about a political ideology that’s effecting a word filter for possible rascism? and on .world people still label it marxist?!

              I’m aware there is deep historical connotations which I haven’t spent years researching so I try not to defend or participate but it feels like since people push back against “instance hating”, we’ve gotta pour on any political hatred we could possibly see in the shadows. I’m just gonna assume this is another bad faith comment striking up fear and hatred till I learn otherwise.

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                Man, it’s just classic tribalism and confirmation bias. People assume the most obnoxious voices are representative of all Communist spaces and that’s poisoned a lot of perception here. Folks love having a villain to pick on and reddit.world here has decided “tankies are the bad guy”.

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                  .ml is Mali and marxist-leninists tend to use .ml as their hosting domain of choice the way that a lot of Generative AI domains are hosted in Anguilla because of the .ai domain.

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                  They’re asking what automod removing an out of context word has to do with marxism/ leninism. This kind of error can happen on any instance that automatically removes slurs, and that particular one isnt exactly commonly used either way.

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                  Am I still missing something? This is posted on the instance of .world, wtf are we talking about .ml and politics for? If your instance filters your comments on other instances than that’s concerning and something I didn’t know.

                  edit: removed the sarcasm in the hopes someone actually responds to what the problem is.

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      Ha. Reminds me of an Asian standup comedian who had this routine about how he grew up in the inner city where the basketball nets were made of chains and so the chains didn’t go ‘swish,’ they went ‘chіnk.’ So when guys wanted to play basketball, they said, “let’s go shoot us up some chіnk.”

      Thank you, Cyrillic letter і, for letting me bypass the bot to tell that joke. Because I’ve remembered that joke for years.

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      Fucken hell, that’s the correct fucking way to define a gap in armor. Bullshit. I really want to try a bunch of slurs out and see what sets it off.

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        Wait until you try the in-game chat in Rocket League. You can’t even type “Discord”. It’s a banned word. 🤡

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        I really want to try a bunch of slurs out

        This is surely the most rational reaction to being slightly inconvenienced by a word filter.

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          Anyone else remember Neopets? They had a filter that was extreme and multilingual. I can’t count how many times I’d write a friendly message, the filter would block it, and I would end up editing chunks of text trying to avoid whatever word or series of letters the filter thought was inappropriate. Sometimes it’d be a few letters embedded in another word (like “associate” being banned for the letters a s s.) But sometimes, I was truly stumped. The only explanation I can think of is that some letters in English words matched up to swears in other languages.

          Anyway, fun fact - I met my first boyfriend through that site. We decided to see how dirty we could talk while still getting messages past the filter. We used innuendos, slang, and other turns of phrase with each other just to see what we could get away with.

          In the end, all that filter did was make us more creative at communicating forbidden topics. Whoops ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯

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            Nintendo still does this. There are pokemon names you can’t use as nicknames because it gets filtered. Most recently: Moltres EX gets caught by the filter on TCG Pocket and you can’t label your deck after it. “Violet” was blocked on an older game because “viol” is French for “rape”. Lazy, overcorrecting filter.

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          SEE WHAT YOU’RE MAKING ME DO? NOW I HAVE TO SAY THE N WORD… I DON’T WANT TO BUT YOU GAVE ME NO CHOICE!

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              I’d be slightly curious about why a child would make that particular dying wish, why they think anyone really has the power to either grant (if the wish is to say it without anyone thinking badly of them) or prevent that wish (if they just want to be able to say it, they already can), but mostly just lose any sympathy I might have had for the kid because I wouldn’t expect any good answer to that first question.

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              “What if I come up with an entirely fictitious, nigh-impossible combination of circumstances to try and corner you into accepting my racial prejudice?”

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                also the answer is yes. Just because it’s a last wish doesn’t make it okay. it’s not like you can wish to do crimes for example.

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          I must be a classy enlightened centrist since I have never had my words removed.

          Entire comments removed & bans, on the other hand…

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          Jebus. I still haven’t figured out if .ml is government funded or true believers. Very strange to me.

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            It’s the home instance of the founders of Lemmy, who are communists. I don’t know their views on authoritarian communism like Stalin or Mao, but people who thought these were good leaders are the “tankies” you may have heard of. There are a lot of them on .ml.

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              I’ve basically only ran into 90% left wing, sporadic sprinklings of conservative, tankie, liberal, other. “A lot of them” is pulling extra weight here.

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    “Tyranny is eroded by a sea of small acts. Everything matters.”

    A lot of Lemmy users really need to understand this. Far too often I see people deride any action that doesn’t immediately fix all problems in the world as worthless or meaningless, simply because they lack the imagination needed to see how small actions can add up to big changes.

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      I strongly disagree. As in all things, you need to pick your battles.

      It’s absolutely possible to take a counter productive action with the best of intentions.

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      Even if the actions really do nothing, they get people active and organized, so that they can take more effective actions later on.

      I honestly think a lot of this criticism is people’s internalized rationalization for why they themselves don’t take action.

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      Incrementalism got us here. At some point, you have to realize that you can’t stop a flash flood by bailing with a solo cup and shouting “I’m helping!”

      It’s a stalling tactic to placate chumps while they sell us all out.

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        The difference being that the incrementalism was outsourced to elected officials. What I understand that sentence to mean to say is that it needs every one of you who is able to do anything of any magnitude. It adds up. And like kattfisk says, you get active and organized. You have more power than you think and democracy is more than just drawing a few crosses in a box every few years.

        I mean, who is going to do it if not you? What have the heroes from the Democratic party been up to since the peaceful transition of power? Some of the Dem senators voted for many of Trumps catastrophic picks. In a time where the White House is flooding the zone (as Steve Bannon put it some time ago), Shumer is giving speeches on the senate floor, that no one is listening to and Dem leadership is scheduling emergency meetings for after the reason for the meeting goes into effect. Finally AOC shows some kind of leadership and calls upon all of you to mobilize and resist fascism and you react with “it’s a stalling tactic”? Please realize that you want the same thing. But if you want a mass movement, you will need to be organized on a smaller scale first or else it will fizzle out quickly.

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          Finally AOC shows some kind of leadership and calls upon all of you to mobilize and resist fascism and you react with “it’s a stalling tactic”?

          AOC is not calling for incrementalism.

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            AOC is not calling for incrementalism.

            That’s what I’m saying. Because neither did the user you replied to. They didn’t call for politicians to take small steps over time, but for everyone to take action so it adds up. Big difference.

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              Because neither did the user you replied to. They didn’t call for politicians to take small steps over time, but for everyone to take action so it adds up.

              No, they just misrepresented the position of people who are sick if incrementalism for the sake of sliding right:

              Far too often I see people deride any action that doesn’t immediately fix all problems in the world as worthless or meaningless

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          This is like not believing in macro evolution.

          Ever hear of punctuated equilibrium?

          Actually, I think a lack of incrementalism got us here. We incremented in the wrong direction.

          Sure is neat how Republicans get to do what they want all at once but we need decades of baby steps and half measures.

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            The Republicans only get to push things this far after decades of baby steps and half measures to get there. Things like getting fox news going, getting to draw congressional districts, slowly getting courts set up to let their movements work, working smaller representative races to get a foothold, facing a rejection as they tried to go all out with the tea party. Finally their preparation has a house, Senate, supreme Court, that was ready and willing to enable this effort.

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              So, what were Democrats doing while all this was going on? What was their celebrated incrementalism setting up?

              Because it looks to me like they spent all this time moving to the right, incrementally of course.

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                The whole “If the Democrats don’t immediately and completely do everything I want I’m not going to participate at all” is a self-fulfilling philosophy.

                On the republican side, when the larger party was “too far to the left”, they didn’t just throw up their hands, they worked at it, slogging away at the relatively less glamorous task of mucking about within the framework of their party, getting small victories and parlaying them to broader victories and preparation to have their time when the ground was ready. But the entire time supporting the party closest to what they wanted while they worked things even as the party failed to move as far as they wanted. All the time learning lessons on how to advance even the parts of their agenda that kept getting rejected even by their own party. They were clowns, mocked, too ridiculous to really be feared, but they were ultimately pragmatic and as a result, here they are…

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                  The whole “If the Democrats don’t immediately and completely do everything I want I’m not going to participate at all” is a self-fulfilling philosophy.

                  It’s also belittling to anyone who isn’t 100% satisfied with everything Democrats do.

                  But the entire time supporting the party closest to what they wanted while they worked things even as the party failed to move as far as they wanted.

                  Progressives have a choice of two parties that are moving away from what they want. Republicans have two parties that listen to them.

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      That’s true, but it can also be used in reverse as a pacifying mechanism. For example, contributing to making the US the most incarcerated population in the world with ridiculously strict “tough on crime” legislation and then pardoning a small fraction of prisoners. Another example is forcing student loan debt to stick around through bankruptcy, but then forgiving a tiny fraction of loans. It’s a move to pretend change is in motion, but it’s so small and so slow that it’s never going to actually solve the problem. This is especially bad when the other party makes such huge moves in the negative direction while we’re supposed to be content with tiny steps toward “progress”.

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        What is this pacifying people from, do you imagine?

        Like, let’s say Trump gives the order to disband all DEI committees everywhere, and a lot of people who like theirs resist the order to do so at every turn. Malicious compliance, straight-up refusal, sleight of hand. This pacifying resistance means they won’t…?

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      People see comments like this and get discouraged to vote or do anything meaningful. Life is choosing the lesser of two evils. By not choosing you have chosen the greater evil thus making you complicit.

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        People see comments like this and get discouraged to vote or do anything meaningful.

        So shut up and be happy.

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        Bullshit. Electoral reform in the blue states must happen. Red states as well but we all know republicans stance on more democracy.

        Democrats have lost their “we are the only people resisting the republicans” privilege. They should have lost it long ago but we sure gave em every chance we could. No more chances, no more safe states/seats.

        This shouldn’t be hard to pass. Alaska already has a Ranked choice voting system. Plus Democrats are huge democracy supporters… right?

        Videos on Electoral Reform

        First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)

        Videos on alternative electoral systems we can try out.

        STAR voting

        Alternative vote

        Ranked Choice voting

        Range Voting

        Single Transferable Vote

        Mixed Member Proportional representation

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          If you do electoral reform in just the blue states, you strengthen the republicans who will then take all of the red states, and get a bit of some blue states

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            Who says electoral reform only happens in blue states? Alaska has always been Republican since the beginning of its statehood but they have better electoral system with its ranked choice voting.

            Fact of the matter is that most Americans are somewhere in the middle, and have more in common than you would be led to believe. Social media being controlled by powers that be divide and conquer the hearts and minds of ordinary Americans. If Alaska managed to even have a progressive system despite being a red state, then so are others. Get like-minded people in red states to also organise. Contrary to stereotype, there are many conservatives who are sane and also agree that money in politics is the major problem. You just haven’t found them.

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              Who says electoral reform only happens in blue states?

              The comment I replied to

              Electoral reform in the blue states must happen. Red states as well but we all know republicans stance on more democracy.

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        That lesser evil still don’t want Medicare for all, raise the federal minimum wage, and building more affordable housing-- all of which are actually what suffocate many Americans in the ever worsening wealth inequality. That’s why people took the chance to vote Trump who promised tax cut, even though most Americans know they it doesn’t actually benefit them but the 1%.

        Look outside of the American mainstream news bubble and discourse that want you to pick the two lesser evils, instead of thinking outside the box. The only way for ordinary Americans to win basic rights is to organise and mobilise by advocating both ranked choice voting and promoting third parties. It won’t happen in federal level so start on the local and state levels, and the changes will go up the chain to federal level. It’s not like Americans haven’t gone and out mobilised before for a better change. The people simply need to rediscover that they have the power.

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            Eight hour working day, even the basic implementation of minimum wage, forbidding child labour, abolishing slavery, women being allowed to work outside their home and even 14-day paid leave were once considered “not perfect”.

            Do you know how these aforementioned basic rights and privileges we take for granted were actually achieved? Organising. But of course liberals won’t get it. They benefit from the status quo. Either that or many Americans have been conditioned to think within an allowed frame of discourse by corporations and its media.

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              Hey, if you organise but vote D in the cases where it’s the best chance to keep R out, I’m happy

              If you don’t vote D in the cases where it’s the best chance to keep R out, you’re effectively supporting R regardless what you’re telling yourself. If you’re also organising, nice, but if your organising is to convince more people to effectively support R like you, we’d all be better off if you quit.

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                Who says vote D or R? Organise to have other third parties. They may not have a chance to win in federal elections, but they do well in local and state elections. Then work your way up to influence the federal government (and it’s not like there has never been a third party gaining seats in Congress and Senate).

                Read the quote from Noam Chomsky. You’re being bamboozled to think tribally. You probably just don’t hear about third parties in local and state level because the media wants you think within a spectrum of thoughts they allow people to have. Think outside the box. There are many other options.

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                  Go for it, but also vote D where they’re the only realistic option to R.

                  Otherwise, support for a third party becomes support for R, as previously with the greens

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          Bad Change - Republicans
          “Fundamentally nothing will change” - Democrats
          Change Americans need - ?

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            You will be happy with the breadcrumbs we give you or you are getting a bad change from Republicans. - Democrats

            Americans want Medicare for all, raising minimum wage and affordable housing, which Democrats are voting down. If you don’t recognise that then you benefit from the status quo and refuse to admit it.

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              You will be happy with the breadcrumbs we give you or you are getting a bad change from Republicans. - Democrats

              You will be happy with the bad change we give you because the bad change from republicans will be worse - democrats.

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                Hang on. You’re saying that Democrats want bad change. But the other guy says nothing will change. Do liberals want change or no change? I’m so confused. No wonder the Democrats would rather lose.

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                  Hang on. You’re saying that Democrats want bad change. But the other guy says nothing will change. Do liberals want change or no change? I’m so confused.

                  Two people can speculate differently concerning the same set of circumstances. I hope this clears things up for you.