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Former Israeli Knesset member Moshe Feiglin quoted Adolf Hitler as he called for Israel to resettle the Gaza Strip and create a “Hebrew Gaza.”
Feiglin, who quit Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud Party to found the right-wing Zehut Party and plans to challenge Likud in Israel’s next elections, made the comments during a panel discussion on Israel’s Channel 12 that was shared on social media on Sunday, as Middle East Eye reported.
“We are not guests in our country, this is our country, all of it…” Feiglin said, adding, “As Hitler said, ‘I cannot live if one Jew is left.’ We can’t live here if one ‘Islamo-Nazi’ remains in Gaza.”
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Time is a flat circle and irony is dead
Relevent Monty Python : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWVQZIH-B6U
… does he not see the irony in calling the other guys nazis while directly (and knowingly) quoting Hitler?
You want the truth or you want to keep what’s left of your faith in humanity?
It’s not directed at you or me or most others, it’s a rallying cry to his supporters.
I’d call it a dog-whistle but he said all of it out loud.
It’s the same projection play that the GOP and Russia use. Antifa are fascists. LGBTQ+ people are oppressing us. Ukrainians are Nazis, let’s abduct all their children.
They have become the thing they hate.
I get the impression with a lot of Israeli politicians, they didn’t hate the Nazis so much as they hated being the out-group of the Nazis. Since, as soon as they were able to establish a foothold of power they’ve largely followed the same playbook, but with themselves as the “Master Race” and everybody else as the vermin to exterminate.
Fascist thought is perfectly compatible between countries of different races. The philosophy is the “right” type of people should expel (or murder) undesirable minorities and take the resources they need. If those minorities go somewhere else and oppress some other people, that’s just how the world is supposed to work when it’s not corrupted by things like equal rights or respect for personal freedom. It’s how Aryan-supremacist Germany had no issues allying with Japan. They both believed in a world order where it was the natural state of things for racially homogeneous states to dominate lesser races and claim the resources for their people. Because they’re just better, and all the problems are from race-mixing and kowtowing to the undeserving.
One of the early anti-Jewish efforts by the Nazis (promoted now by some Israeli politicians) was encouraging Jews migrate somewhere else, Israel being one of the common destinations.
Zionists collaborated with the Nazis to try and create a Zionist Palestine, very early on. This is well documented.
Zionists collaborated with the Nazis to try and create a Zionist Palestine, very early on. This is well documented.
I mean, Likud is the successor organization to the original Zionists, so they’ve always been genocidal ethno-fascists. But this guy decided to form his own party because Likud apparently wasn’t ethno-fascist enough for him.
The “original zionists” were socialist and communists who tried to do things in the way of cooperation and peace, and were a defensive group.
The offensive groups splintered off the original one after Arab riots and massacres of Jews.
…and there it is.
Here’s a reminder that the right wing Zionist used to work with the Nazis, some of them even after the war starts.
Source?
Mentioned on page 94 (Chapter 4) of 10 Myths About Israel by Ilan Pappé. To be straight forward with you I couldn’t find the primary source of this statement in there but I think it’s in one of his previous books which are all referenced as sources for this chapter. In general, Pappé is considered credible by the academic community except by Zionists of course, though their opinion on this topic doesn’t count for much imo.
Internet archive is apparently somewhat of with the pages, page 94 seems to be in a different chapter there.
Scanning chapter 4 however, the only mention of collaboration with the Nazis is “[Hajj Amin al-Husayni]'s willingness to serve as a radio commentator for the Nazis and to help recruit Muslims in the Balkans to the German war effort no doubt stains his career. But he did not act any differently from the Zionist leaders in the 1930s, who themselves sought an alliance with the Nazis against the British Empire, or from all the other anticolonialist movements who wanted rid of the Empire by way of alliances with its principal enemies.” (page 65 on the archive)
This seems like a rather unspecific source for “right wing Zionist used to work with the Nazis, some of them even after the war starts.” (not to mention that njm1314 somehow forgot to mention that at least Palestinian leader also wanted an alliance with the Nazis and actually worked for/with them).
I’m starting to think that njm1314 is not as well known fact as they make it out to be…
Sorry, I have the ebook and in there it’s page 94. Here are the references, as said no primary source but he’s referring to his previous books and it may just be trivial to reference at this point. But I’m not from the field and haven’t read every book of him. In general though as I said he is considered credible by the academic community except Zionists.
The relationship of the Palestinian Mufti is also discussed in more detail in the same chapter. Highly recommend reading the whole book.
If you’re really keen on verifying this maybe just write a mail to Pappé? In my experience professors actually do answer to such questions.
The Story Of Lehi, The Jewish Terrorist Organization That Tried To Form An Alliance With The Nazis
He took Jabotinsky’s idea of a mass exodus of European Jews to Palestine and crafted an outlandish proposal: in return for Lehi swearing their allegiance to the Axis Powers, Stern wanted all Jews under the Nazi administration to be transferred to Palestine, 40,000 of whom would be immediately armed and trained to rebel against the British authorities.
Now while this was a smaller 200 member organisation their members obtained key roles in israeli politics later on.
The claim was “the right wing Zionist used to work with the Nazis”. The “source” is describing
- a splinter group (that was opposed by other Zionists)
- trying to get an agreement with the Nazis
- that would allow all Jews to leave the Nazi territories
Of course the right wing was opposed by other Zionists. They were radical fascists. That’s why I said right wing (the minority) and not all of them. The problem is the right wing is now the majority. Revisionist Zionists control Israel today. They did far more than try to get agreements and it was for way more than for Jews to leave Nazi territory. Stern was hoping to get Nazi backing to attack the British in Palestine and to help prop up the fascist ethno-state that would be established.
I’m not familiar with the factions in Zionism, but according to Wikipedia they were opposed by other revisionist Zionists, e.g. Ze’ev Jabotinsky. Also: still no sources
I did give you a source, you just didn’t respond to that comment for some reason.
Also I’m not sure why you think what you’re saying is inconsistent with what I said. The revisionist zionists worked with the Nazis and fascists in Italy. Then after the war started a splinter group continued to work with a Nazis, although there is evidence to say that the other group was also still working with the Nazis. Since you already read Wikipedia you must have seen that part.
Since you were unfamiliar with the factions of Zionism I suggest you learn about them and that would make you better able to have these discussions. Though keep in mind they’re all friendly with fascists left and right. Because Zionism is inherently a fascist principle.
You mean this source?
Opposed? Lehi’s members became big politicians in what would later become israel.
I have slightly edited my previous comment to include a bit more detail but here’s israeli Prime minister and leader of what used to be Lehi Yitzhak Shamir
There’s much more. What’s important to know is that Lehi while not the biggest organisation they were extremely violent. At the time they had massive impact on the direction of israel. Their radical Zionism played a big part in shaping israel and their “the end justifies the means” approach can clearly be observed to this day.
Bonus meme: Lehi also ran the newspaper Hamaas
Opposed?
Yes, opposed: “These appeals to Germany were in direct opposition to the views of other Zionists, such as Ze’ev Jabotinsky, who wanted Britain to defeat the Nazis even as they wanted to expel the British from Palestine.” Source
What’s important to know is that Lehi while not the biggest organisation they were extremely violent.
No, for the question of “the right wing Zionists working with the Nazis” it is not important. You can be extremely violent without working with Nazis…
Their radical Zionism played a big part in shaping israel and their “the end justifies the means” approach can clearly be observed to this day.
This may well be, but is also not the same as working with Nazis.
Bonus meme: Lehi also ran the newspaper Hamaas
Also no relevance for the question of working with Nazis.
I like the part where you fully ignored a Lehi leader becoming the Prime Minister of israel
You might try reading a bit about the Revisionist Zionist movment. Particularly the IZL (Irgun) and the Lehi (Stern Group). There are tons of great books on this. I’d recommend The Zionist Revisionism from Jabotinsky to Shamir by Lenni Brenner
Yeah, sounds like a great recommendation.
It is a great recommendation you should definitely check it out.
I used to kid about “You know, it’s only a matter if time before someone starts talking about a 'final solution to ‘the Palestinian problem’.” And yet, here we are…
After the war and genocide the Palestinians will need a homeland. I say we give them Norwich and arm them to displace the English
There’s actually a really good alternate history novel along those lines, after WWII, instead of Israel, they were given Sitka, Alaska.
The Yiddish Policemen’s Union
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Yiddish_Policemen's_Union
The Coen Brothers were attached to turn it into a movie but nothing came of it. :(
it’s got a rebbe mob boss? Neat
Really fun characters all through the book.
Jews just want to live in peace, everyone always wants to kill them
Downvote if you’re a nazi
Promotors and apologists for genocide seem to believe “rooting out the Nazis” is a claim they can make with no evidence. This ignores the entire point that most people could not give less of a shit how you label the indiscriminate murder of civilians.
I downvoted, now you’re doing Holocaust inversion.
Like, yeah, most people want to live in peace, Jews and Arabs alike. This guy is literally quoting Hitler as a guy who had the right worldview, so not him.
“Downvote if you’re a nazi”
Oh no, he cracked the code, how can we downvote now???
Actually, everyone and it goes many millennia back. If everywhere you go it smells like crap, look at your foot.
The Jews have a lot of awful history. But right now it’s Israel who are comitting Genocide. That’s not “living in peace”
Wow, Bibi wasn’t quite far right enough for this Jewish Nazi. And fucking ironic he’s talking about ‘Islamo-Nazi’ s.
Carlos Latuff was right
Holy based
And nearly twenty years old but still relevant.
You know what I’d probably be doing right now if I was a Palestinian who was 8 at the start of that graph? Not looking to shake hands with my neighbors that’s for sure.
wait, he ACTUALLY SAID HE’S QUOTING HITLER???
when i read the title i thought he said something identical or very similar to something Hitler said maybe without knowing… all fascism leads to the same destination after all, you don’t need to be deliberate about it. (remember how people said TFG was quoting hitler and he said, and i paraphrase, “i didn’t know he said it i just came up with the same conclusion on my own” as if that doesn’t make it worse… kinda like that)
but NO! he literally quotes Hitler by attributing the quote to Hitler without a modicum of irony. dude the israeli government has gone do far deep into fascism that they can’t even use the thinnest veils as cover.
He has never been part of Israel’s government.
Like I wrote in another comment, he was 36th on the Likud’s list 10 years ago, and later founded a party that didn’t even get 1 mandate.i shouldn’t have used the word “government” as what i meant was more along the lines of Israeli politics in general. not that the government itself is much better, they just haven’t name checked Hitler as much yet.
although natenyahu already has engaged in apologia for Hitler himself so it’s not far off anyway.
Yeah, he obviously can’t be a very good politician if he’s going around telling the truth like that
Yeah, his take seems to be “Hitler was right, races can’t coexist, if only he had been Jewish” from that quote.
Coming from a country which had a Fascist dictatorship until the 70s, I’ve started calling Zionism ethno-Facism, because it’s a far more rabidly racist strain than most Fascist dictatorships and unlike almost all of the others which were mainly Nationalist, claims to represent an entire ethnicity and justifies even their used of the most extreme violence as some kind life or death fight for the defense of their ethnicity.
Fascism as seens in places like Spain, Portugal, Greece or even Italy was mainly Nationalist (still authocratic, repressive and violent) and never anywhere as racist or violent, since it include claims of racial superiority and representing a whole ethnicity.
Amongst Fascists in Europe it’s only the Nazis that claimed, like the Zionists do, that they represented an entire ethnicity and who similarly committed extreme genocidal violence against specific ethnicities whilst claiming it was all in defense of their own ethnicity.
Any Fascism is bad, but ethno-Fascism adds to it the whole layer of ethnicity and hence is far more cold, calously violent and genocidal when it comes to other ethnicities - think Ku-Klux-Klan crossed with Fascism.
Pretty much the entirety of the Zionist propaganda follows the same ethno-Fascist lines as the Nazis stuff, from the “chosen people” and them claiming to represent a whole ethnicity to their claims that their agressive murderous violence along ethnic lines is “defense” and even calling anybody who criticizes their violence as being against their race, in the case of Zionists by calling the “anti-semites” whilst the Nazis would say that such critics were “against the Arian Race”.
Most of what the Zionists say is just Nazi propaganda with “Arian Race” replaced by “Jewish People” and “against the Arian Race” replaced by “anti-semite”.
So one kind a member of an ethno-Fascist ideology - a Zionist - directly quoting the leader of another ethno-Fascist ideology such as Hiltler, is not at all surprising.
Looks like they choose themselves. Nobody chose them.
It does seem like the TL;DR of right wing Israelis is “Hitler was right, but his only problem was that he was killing us.”
I’m most surprised by how little this development surprised me.
