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The prehistoric megalithic structure in England has been targeted by activists spraying orange powder paint, social media footage showed.
Environmental protesters sprayed paint on Stonehenge on Wednesday, with footage showing an orange powder covering some of the stones.
Two protesters dressed in white were seen running towards two of the megaliths, spraying paint, as another person attempted to stop them, in footage released by Just Stop Oil, an environmental activist group focused on the issue of human-caused climate change.
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So… they deface a wonder of the world? WTF did Stonehenge ever do to these weirdos?
Big stone is increasing carbon into the air and it doesn’t care!
/s
lol.
The most effective method of protesting would be to find a way to get the masses to turn against the lawmakers in such a way that they convince the lawmakers to solve the problem that the protest is focused against.
But most of these protests just piss off the masses. They run their day with traffic, they destroy heritage sites that people care about, and while they do get in the news and get some publicity, people’s memory is quite negative. And there are zero focus on anybody who could actually change the situation.
“destroy heritage sites”
It’s cornflour lmfao. It’s probably been washed away by now.
I hate this kind of idiot shit, how do they think this will help their cause? Vandalising a fucking historical monument that does not affect in any way shape or form the environment will just hurt their cause!
A bunch of old ass rocks that you have to pay money to look at. I hope all that ancient ass shit goes away at some point and humans can look forward.
All these idiots make me want to do is go dump crude oil into the ocean just to spite them!
(Sarcasm kind of.)
Paint washes off bro
Not always homey, but, not really the point.
Congrats on your ancient druid curse.
i feel like druids, if forced to pick a side, might be on the side favoring protecting nature :)
Good. They should block the roads too.
I still subscribe to the theory that these people are hired actors from Big Oil. They are experts at being unlikable and naturally pushes me towards the opposing side. It sucks.
I remember hearing claims that this was the case. I have no idea how true that is, but I would be 0% surprised if it was.
If a small group annoying you pushes you towards not caring about the climate, you never cared about the climate.
Don’t worry, it’s not like I’m yielding. The point is that I find them to be detractors rather than attractors to join our common goal of not eliminating ourselves.
genuinely i used to subscribe to the same theory
and then it switched. i think they’re here genuinely. not even sure what happened to change my mind. your mileage may vary? but i get where you are coming from.
Just be skeptical about it from both perspectives.
Bad actors do exist but they’re not to blame for everything despite almost any organization or movement these days attempting to scapegoat any poor publicity they experience as bad actors.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Environmental protesters sprayed paint on Stonehenge on Wednesday, with footage showing an orange powder covering some of the stones.
Two protesters dressed in white were seen running towards two of the megaliths and spraying paint, as another person attempted to stop them, in footage released by Just Stop Oil, an environmental activist group focused on the issue of human-caused climate change.
The prehistoric structure dates back to somewhere between 3100 BC and 1600 BC, according to archaeologists.
Just Stop Oil has drawn criticism for targeting public treasures in the past, including the vandalism of Van Gogh’s Sunflowers with tomato soup in a publicity stunt at London’s National Gallery in 2022.
Less than a year later, two protesters from the group disrupted play during the Wimbledon Tennis Championships, running onto the court throwing confetti from a picture-puzzle box featuring an image of Wimbledon’s famed Center Court.
On the eve of that tournament, celebrities including Richard Curtis and Emma Thompson had called on Wimbledon to end its partnership with Barclays Bank over the institution’s multibillion-dollar support for fossil fuel projects.
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a reminder that the people complaining about how awful it is to desecrate stonehenge also want to build a motorway right through it
Guilt by association fallacy. Both of these things are bad. Not wanting to see an ancient monument be defaced does not make you a Tory.
who is wanting to build route-stonehenge?
Is it? Is it those same people?
Yes exactly. Everyone on earth that doesn’t like the idea of paint being sprayed on it is also pushing for a motorway to be built right through it. No exceptions, no questions, no quarter
the people complaining about how awful it is to desecrate stonehenge also want to build a motorway right through it
I can’t be the only counterexample of this ridiculous generalization.
This makes me want to go club a seal.
Seal clubs are bangin. I don’t blame you.
Ffs just blow up a pipeline or sabotage parts of their infrastructure or follow the higher ups home and deface their homes.
And they did, literally destroyed a couple fuel pumps at two gas stations: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/apr/28/just-stop-oil-protesters-sabotage-petrol-pumps-on-m25-motorway
Did you hear about that on the news? Did you see this being posted on Lemmy?
Now you know why they have to do what they do.
All they do is make people not care about their cause.
No, those people already dont care. They just need an excuse for their inaction.
Sure made me care.
Or go sabotage a monument in Saudi-Arabia, they produce more oil than anyone.
Throwing orange corn starch on the Black Stone in Mecca would be amazing press.
They won’t do that. That would involve being killed. There is a reason why Peta throws red paint on old ladies wearing fur and not on biker gangs wearing leather.
The very worst thing the UK government is going to do is throw them in jail for a few months, maybe a small fine.
These are all felonies.
This is the UK. “Felonies” 🙄
But yeah it’s a lot more severe and they’d probably be out of activism forever.
Fucking so sorry my second language isn’t up to par to your standards.
What’s the right term here, “a proper naughty twat?”
That would be “crime”.
A felony is a type of crime which doesn’t exist here.
You can’t just get upset if someone points out you’ve used a word wrong. Words have meanings and while getting it wrong, especially as a second language, isn’t bad, it’s still incorrect and can be confusing (e.g. most people would assume you’re talking about US law when you talk about felonies).
I can get upset when instead of correcting me in the first comment, you mocked me.
Assuming everyone’s aware of the US/UK law and their nomenclature is too much sniffing of your on farts.
Or is it flatulence. Toots?
Oh and lastly, the person I replied to, listed random crimes/felonies, and didn’t specify the country those crimes/felonies should be done.
From context, it’s clear that it’d be UK action, considering JSO is a UK group.
Climate activism isn’t limited to JSO
Spray painting someone’s house is not a felony. Also who cares.
Property damage over a certain sum is
Stalking is.
Who cares? I’m sure the people who trying to protest without becoming felons. What is this take…
Following someone once is not stalking. For stalking there has to be a persistent pattern. Or else women would be able to get stalkers arrested a lot more often instead of being killed by them.
Fucking thank you for the nitpicking. I’m sure you can deduct where people live if you followed them somewhere once.
Christ almighty the thickness.
Encouraging people to do crimes IRL, while posting on the internet anonymously, sitting on your fat ass consuming resources that accelerate climate change.
How do the boots and assholes of the Uber wealthy taste btw? From the way you are munchin down I would guess pretty good but I would like to know your first hand knowledge.
Explain the correlation between you not understanding what a protest is and me supposedly “munching boots”.
Sit the fuck back down, basement-dweller, and enjoy people doing the hard work of resisting the status quo for you.
,they said, sitting at home, doing nothing.
Nothing is preferred than destroying cultural artifacts.
All this does is drive people away from the cause.
None of the people clutching their pearls about this would have done anything anways.
Spent the whole day doing things about it at my job.
That would be ideal.
So they did just as much as the protesters in this case.
The amount of knee jerk rage I’ve seen over paint whenever one of these incidents happens. Its paint. It comes off. Its an extremely effective strategy to get attention while causing little to no damage.
In this case it’s actually dyed corn starch so this would literally wash off from the first rain. And yea, this actually gets attention, when they spray painted car dealerships of some of the heaviest polluters, protested oil companies and when a guy set himself on fire to protest climate change it gets almost no coverage.
Bullshit. It’s an archeological site. The now faded ancient paintings risks being ruined as a result of this idiocy.
If dyed cornstarch could destroy anything on the stonehenge then it already would have been. You know it’s outside, right?
Paint and ‘being outside’ are two very different things.
You slow or something?
Are you? Something just left outside for a long ass time will take more damage than even a spray of lead paint can do. And this is just corn starch, not even paint.
“They are sensitive and they are completely covered in prehistoric markings which remain to be fully studied,”
So the archeologists are worried but not you, since you, being the goddamn genius you are, are sure it’s all fine.
I don’t even know why I start these arguments with the all-knowing wizards on Lemmy.
How about check the source of the quotes: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cw44mdee0zzo
The reporter first on the scene was concerned. The archaeologist was worried about the lichen growing on the stones, not the stones.
The quote is not in the link you provided. Where did you get that quote?
yknow what fuck it, i support this. i was a little on the reactionary side back when they were throwing soup,
but after seeing hundreds of comments saying “just do <insert violent felony> if you want something done” and then seeing those same people turn around and say “but safely blocking streets in protest is an affront to my rights, stop being annoying”
…i get it now. it’s cornstarch and will wash off. calling for “optics” is just concern trolling. people are hearing about it. that’s the point. fuck oil. keep up the messaging. people are going to starve and drown and bleed from war caused by climate change. we are gonna survive a few people yeeting nonpermanent shit at public art.
The people up in arms about the protests have never given a shit about the things the protesters “destroy”. It’s all just an optics game to make any dissenting opinion from the norm look batshit. Fuck the pieces of shit getting up in arms about this without knowing what’s up. Theyre the problem. They make the world worse every day they exist. They stop change. They allow for the atrocities to be committed.
Yeah I’m on board now.
These stunts are a harmless way to keep climate activism in the media. It’s fine.
Sadly, I don’t see human kind changing course and I think it’s inevitable that this kind of activism deteriorates into environmental terrorism.
Even if they did damage anything their message is that anyone getting mad about damaging works of art or heritage sites through direct action should be just as mad about people destroying the actual entire planet indirectly and calling for their immediate imprisonment too.
As annoying as I find them and as much as I want to preserve these things, they’re exactly right that paintings and rocks mean fuckall if we ruin our only home.
It was coloured corn starch, and the stones have lichen growing on them that has helped them survive this long.
Nobody knows what the colouring agent was.
If it causes lasting damages they will and should be prosecuted for exactly what happens. I’m hoping they did their due diligence but hey, if not that was dumb as hell of them and they should pay for it.
Again though, the sentiment remains that people are going to die. That damage is also irreparable and far less redeemable. I support this kind of action.
If it’s cornstarch that will wash off, then the headline is a lie and your quarrel is with whoever wrote that, not the people who believe the headline and believe stonehenge is getting actually defaced.
my quarrel is with people who tell me what my real quarrel is thank you very much 🥱
That’s not even half as clever as you think it is.
dude im not trying to be clever i just don’t like people telling me what i believe. do you?
True, but also there’s the more general point about “I support the cause but not the method” naysayers being absolutely counterproductive. Climate protesters are finding themselves cut off from every method of protest, violent or not. Because lots of people want to continue business as usual in peace without those pesky tree huggers complaining about, y’know, the fact we’re already well past the Paris 1.5 °C target with no end in sight
You would have to be the laziest dumbest motherfucker who has ever lived to not be able to get a job in recycling or renewable energy sector right now if you want one.
People have the right to do as they please, even if it means choosing a path toward their own demise.
People aren’t unaware of climate change. Everyone knows about it. What you’re seeing is a manifestation of the average human’s ranking of climate change in their own list of things to be concerned about.
You have no right to tell someone that climate change is more important than the things they choose to focus on instead.
If you think they’re mistaken about what’s on the table, like they underestimate the danger or something like that, then the right move is to inform them. All this protest activity is implicitly based on the assumption people just sort of … forgot about climate change.
They didn’t. They just don’t prioritize it over the other problems in their lives. Which is their right.
If it’s your personal choice, don’t fuck up MY planet then
If it’s your personal choice, don’t fuck up MY planet then, dickhead.
On top of that, one of the biggest problems with climate change is that us as individual citizens have absolutely no control over it no matter how many people try and guilt us into taking action.
No amount of individuals recycling, driving less or with a more efficient vehicle or with an electric car, or drinking less water is going to change the fact that container ships, factories, manufacturing facilities, cruise ships, private jets, etc. belch more pollutants into the atmosphere by so many orders of magnitude that anything we can do as individuals is completely and utterly inconsequential in comparison.
Me recycling my plastic doesn’t mean shit and it never will. Same with me driving an electric car vs. a gas powered car, hell even me driving a car with good fuel economy vs one that has bad fuel economy. Cargo shipping is responsible for more than 20% of the greenhouse gas emissions in the world while passenger automobiles are responsible for 5%-7% at most based on recent estimates. If every single person in the world stopped driving fossil-fuel powered cars and moved entirely to renewable fuel sources for their transportation, it would still be a drop in the bucket – and that’s never going to happen.
But the media keeps pointing the shotgun at everyday citizens like it’s our fault that cruise ships belch shit into the atmosphere when we haven’t been on a cruise in 10 years, or it’s our fault that the shipping industry refuses to use more ecological and eco-friendly fuel sources.
Tell me more about how me as a single person recycling is gonna save the world, lol.
that container ships, factories, manufacturing facilities, cruise ships, private jets, etc. belch more pollutants into the atmosphere by so many orders of magnitude that anything we can do as individuals is completely and utterly inconsequential in comparison.
In my area they were talking about building a natural gas plant. We have some of the strictest laws on earth about air pollution. People protested against it. The planet got moved to a different state, one with less regulations.
I mentioned this to one of the people organizing the protest. I point out exactly what was going to happen and my prediction was correct. If the decision is already being made to do the wrong thing I want it done by the best person I can find, because they will do it in the least offensive way that they can.
It’s shit like this. It’s not being able to look at the whole picture that is the most devastating.
Just Stop Oil is specifically pointing to governments to stop new oil projects. They aren’t blaming you, why are you so defensive?
Because most protests are about making the lives of normal people miserable until they’re pissed enough to hold someone to task.
Are the Tories gonna care that Stonehenge was dusted, from in their mansions? Most of them would love to dig up the stones and use them as new countertops, simply as a bragging point at their parties. But normal people that care about landmarks like these will be pissed and, maybe, bitch to the government.
Because most protests are about making the lives of normal people miserable until they’re pissed enough to hold someone to task.
And how is that working for you? How is diet-terrorism panning out?
Amen. Plus some of us do prioritize it. We’ve minimized our carbon footprint, we’ve dedicated careers to environmental awareness and protection, and we spend countless hours in our own lives to communicate the reality of the situation to others, but we resent the fact that these protestors push people away from the rest of our messaging by making us look like a group of unhinged, attention-seeking morons.
“Carbon footprint” was invented by BP as a marketing ploy.
I didn’t say it wasn’t.
Brave and Important
I’m all for their cause but they’ve been going about it the wrong way every single time. They do nothing but piss the general public off. The very people you actually need to get on your side.
Hehe, I see what you did there.
MLK on climate change (probably):
[…]that [humanities] great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the [oil company] or the [billionaire] but the white moderate, who is more devoted to ‘order’ than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: ‘I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action’; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises [climate aware] to wait for a ‘more convenient season.’
When they block oil terminals, spray paint car dealerships of the heaviest polluters or set themselves on fire the news doesnt cover it so no one will even know, while this actually works.
‘Rocks, don’t fight back’ - Bruce Lee.
Something like that.
Enter the Dragon quote 🙏
