cross-posted from: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/17713638
““If we jail Trump, get rid of Maga, end the electoral college, ban voter ID, censor free speech, we’ll save democracy,” says one meme in a QAnon channel on Telegram that depicts Biden in a Nazi uniform with a Hitler mustache”
Apparently they at least understand their opponent’s view .
Maybe you let them go to war. Then at least you can get rid of them for another few hundred years.
Under threat of what? The wrong people being in charge? The wrong people are ALWAYS in charge. The labels and speeches mean nothing. The fact of the matter is that power seekers end up with power because decent people won’t stoop to that. Literally a random number generator would pick better politicians.
Even if you did, the random people would be corrupted by power.
The best thing to do would be to divide power as much as possible - instead of having a few very powerful people you have hundreds of times more people with much less power.
How about the logical extreme of that? Anarchy!
I am an anarchist, so yes, that’s what I mean. I just worded it in a more accessible way
I put this on another post from another account, but I found it, and I’m going to paste it here:
Do it! DO IT!! Shut up talking about it, and let’s get the civil war started!! Because I suspect it will be over before supper time.
In reality all they’re going to do is talk about it, because they’re small weak little people. Look at the big bad Proud Boys. When faced with the consequences of jail, they cried like little girls and begged the judges to take pity on them. Only one defiantly yelled “TRUMP WON” on his way out is the courtroom, but that was even after he cried and groveled.
Yep. Actual coup plotters don’t stand on street corners with signs yelling about it.
They’d shit their rascals the second bullets started flying.
Point the first: no. War is awful no matter how short or long it is, just no.
Point the second: folks said the first American civil war was going to be short, too.
In summary, no.
folks said the first American civil war was going to be short, too.
And we’re still going through it! 😭
People love looking at the first civil war in conversations like this, but the next civil war is going to be nothing like it. For a likely comparison, you’d have to look at the Spanish Civil War and The Troubles in Ireland.
Americans have no fucking clue what they’re asking for.
Or for a more recent events, Syria. I enjoy following modern history and geopolitics, but fuck me that is a mess of proxy forces, non-state actors, and local warlords.
If it pops off, somebody on the world stage is going to co-opt and prolong any US civil war/sectarianism to keep the US broken or distracted with a prolonged insurgency and COIN. Russia is already working to highlight any existing and/or astroturf internal division, and we’re seeing right now how effective proxies can be at causing an enemy to hurt itself in its confusion.
Iran knew that Oct7 would demand a firm response from Israeli civic and political society, and Netanyahu/the government fell for the trap. See also, 9/11.
It drives me insane that every “you just have to vote!!” liberal thinks that a civil war is two armies meeting on a battlefield. That’s not how it works at all! There are no armies. It’s literally guerilla attacks meant to make the state ungovernable, and the enemy is very possibly your neighbor who saw your anti-trump post on NextDoor.
I agree that a Civil War 2 would be vastly different, all I’m saying is that it would be anything but short.
Gotcha. Very valid point.
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Do you think it’s going to be easy to exterminate all the hillbilly terrorist cells that are supported by their local communities and sheriff’s departments?
Certainly not if the federal government supports them…
Might be a good time to arm up(unless you’re mentally ill in a way that will make you hurt yourself or make you hurt others before any actual conflict has begun). Just in case of course.
Edit/Addendum: If you have kids, please get a gun case and please educate them about proper gun safety and how to properly check if there’s any ammunition in chamber, etc. In fact, might as well take a gun safety course yourself.
How will arming up help anything? Honest question.
Parity is important. Why did the Soviets need nukes? Why did France?
The right sees the left as defenseless, because they see the left as the anti-gun crowd.
I will give up my 2nd amendment rights at the same time as my neighbor up the street with the “stop the steal” flags.
What would you do with the guns? What will they do with the guns?
What is the envisioned game plan here?
No war is a good war.
Gotta love Lemmy… my post gets removed because it’s “misinformation” and then, I’m called names, harassed and threatened… and the mods just laugh… Reddit 2.0 in full effect, as rumored…
This is the perfectest demonstration of how Kahneman1 mind, imprint->reaction mind, ideology/prejudice mind, works to displace considered-reasoning Kahneman2 mind.
There’s no point in appealing to considered-reason within any ideology, left or right, religious or ideological or political…
The imprint->reaction has already defined everything.
The only antidote to such is to have invested, through the previous decades, heavily in competent unbiased education, to make considered-reason/Kahneman2 mind the automatic default for more of the population.
Too bad it’s too late…
“proletariat dictatorship” / “populist dictatorship”
both displace considered-reason.
Yes it’s war: it’s war against considered-reason because ideology’s addiction to its own supremacy is all-consuming.
It’s too bad…
Fascism is when voting different
We are under threat, by the domestic terrorists known more commonly as the Republican party. Maybe they could attack themselves and save America and democracy.
“the call is coming from inside the house”
Silly, no one is mobilizing. Another scare tactic to make people vote Democrat.
“We have no intention of invading Ukraine.”
Heh, no, we vote Democrat because Republicans are indeed crazy, sycophantic, brainwashed people who helped take rights away from 150 million women. Whatever this article says is immaterial.
They’re not wrong that democracy’s under threat. But maybe the threat’s from the guy who has literally said he’s going to murder political opponents - y’know, the guy they support.
Your daily reminder accelerationism posts are likely 70% Russian propiganda
The other 30% are criminally stupid Americans who either want fascism or are too dumb to see how their actions promote the end goals that they pretend to fight against.
I’ve seen more than a few with post histories that legitimately make them look like they oppose fascism, but GeNoCiDe JoE makes them help the other team light a fire in the engine of the fascism train.
Do you realise that there are political options beyond voting for either Trump or Biden? Maybe the people who are antifascist but opposing Biden are advocates for one of those alternatives?
and I’m not (only) talking about voting for the Green Party either.
Do you realize that alternative political opinions are immaterial to electoral discussions about who can win on a first past the post electoral system? Maybe those alternative opinions should understand that 3rd party voting historically favor the right, which is currently running an antidemocratic fascist who wants to rev up the friers on the current genocide and spark new ones close to home?
I’m all for alternative political options and work on those locally myself. But if you’re only voting red party every 4 years, you’re directly contributing to the slow erosion of our democratic process.
alternativepolitical opinions are immaterial to electoral discussions about who can win on a first past the post electoral systemIt doesn’t matter what you vote for in the end. The same people will be in power.
too dumb to see how their actions promote the end goals that they pretend to fight against.
GeNoCiDe JoE
The irony here is palpable.
If you’re holding your nose in November like I am, I have no problem with you. But if that’s your single issue, know that the alternative is much worse. For the sake of harm reduction, it’s better to vote blue and stem the bleeding with someone who might bend to pressure vs the alternate option of ‘finish the job’ who wont.
If that’s your single issue and you vote third party, that’s the behavior I’m calling out, because like it or not, our system has only 2 parties that remotely have a chance in November. They’re lining up behind a convicted felon who wants to bomb Palestine harder and all the shit that’s in project 2025 while we argue and promote accelerationist behaviors to punish or try to make the party ‘learn it’s lesson’ when history shows they only ever move right in response to losing the left.
I fucking hate that I have to vote Biden again, but I understand electoral politics and know that accelerationist stances only harm the most vulnerable among us. Harm reduction sometimes involves doing things you find objectionable because the only other option is magnitudes worse. Biden sucks in a lot of ways, but he can somewhat be reasoned with and doesn’t want to take away my family members’ basic human rights.
It’s a shit choice, but life is full of shit choices. And more often than not, not playing the game defaults you to the worse option.
Hey look it’s the comrade we’re talking about
It’s quite funny how the rhetoric has devolved to the point where comments like yours are almost indistinguishable from MAGA supporters who talk about people being “paid by Soros” all because I don’t support funding and arming people in their pursuit of genocide.
Salem Media Group and InfoWars are not Russian.
Wait info wars is not Russian? I’m dubious
It isn’t. Russia may be using or imitating them, but InfoWars is just the result of a guy trying to cash in on Limbaugh by imitating him.
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Hey give some credit to America’s other enemies: China, North Korea, and Iran
So when are all you “enlightened centrists” going to finally admit that radicalizing fascist rhetoric is not protected free speech? When are you going to admit that broadcasting blatant lies for political gain is in fact enemy combatant and insurgent behavior and that those rhetoric mills- created by the 1996 Telecommunications Act- must be shut down with extreme prejudice?
They never will. It was rarely in good faith, and even then it was merely earnest stupidity.
When are you far left communists gonna admit that we shouldn’t be teaching children how to “make prison hooch”?
When are you extreme anarchists going to fess up that we shouldn’t be melting the elderly?
When are all you far leftists gonna admit to things you already probably agree with?
Probably never. Not because I necessarily disagree with you in spirit. This speech is damaging and without redeeming value. My only problem is that the process of deciding what speech is and isn’t permissible is more dangerous than this speech.
It’s not hard to figure out. Are you representing a blatant lie as truth? Are you doing it to destabilize democracy? To the cage you go.
And how do you feel about a Trump stacked executive deciding what is a blatant lie in 9 months time?
Ah everything you e never actually tried to do seems easy. Especially when you’re 14.
Given Trump’s failure to maintain power when he had it, I have little faith the gravy seals will rise to an occasion while his opposition is in power.
Not saying it shouldnt be taken seriously… Saying it should be televised 🍿
Meal Team six is reporting for duty. Just after they hit up the all-you-can-eat buffet at the Kountry Kitchen.
I will never not chuckle at gravy seals
Meal Team 6
y’all kaida
Agreed. I don’t fear the thicc morons assembling on a large enough scale or being organized enough. These are Walmart shoppers who vacation in Florida every year for the most part, they’re not going to be committed, adaptive, intelligent, resilient. They’re not loyal enough to any one cause by nature, most are just vocal karen types over a bunch of superficial bs.
Will/can some of them be a problem? For sure, but… Yeah
The Guardian is a UK source and isn’t the best at US news. They don’t quite understand US voters, so read the facts but ignore their opinions and analysis.
UK readers: Trump voters are like your drunk uncle down the pub who’s always shouting at footy on the telly. They’re going to talk big, but it’s doubtful they’ll ever actually get off their arse and do anything they claim.
The Guardian has an international writing staff.
The author of this article, if you click on her name, for example:
Rachel Leingang is a democracy reporter focused on misinformation for Guardian US. She is based in Minneapolis, Minnesota
Here’s her LinkedIn, saying she has 10 years of reporting experience after going to the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and Mass Communications in Arizona for 4 years. https://www.linkedin.com/in/rachel-leingang-6a044b2a
Didnt they launch an attempted coup d’etat last election? Granted an incredibly shittly planned and executed one, but they stormed the capitol trying to hang government leaders.
I think the point they’re trying to make is that the second they met actual opposition (when the secret service fired on the mob trying to breech what I think was the legislative chamber, don’t recall exactly) the mob dissolved immediately.
I fear that those who favor the rule of law and maintaining peaceful order are even more complacent than the Q-tards. So if they have a sizeable portion of the cops on their side…
this is peak white privilege.
random Muslims were tortured for looking like they might have been in the vicinity of a terrorist, but these guys are represented in the government.
This is 100% overblown. It’s also the same article circulating. This type of crap is to sell newspaper subscriptions.
And fear. They are bullies who want to be feared.
