Ja, es ist alles ganz anders.

Yeah, sure clean all yards but start with your own.

Do you say that to Europe, to China, or both?

It’s obvious you’re addressing only Europe. Why?

This is what I meant with ‘The West bad, China bad okay’. It’s hypocritical. It’s double-standards. It’s ignorant and disgusting.

What about cleaning all yards? This ‘the West bad, China bad okay’ stance is dehumanising and ignorant. [Edit typo.]

Ja, und Fakt ist nunmal, dass China von der Krise in Griechenland profitiert und den Hafen von Piräus übernommen hat, nicht Deutschland, wie von Dir irrtümlich gepostet.

I posted this elsewhere already, but it also fits here goven many of the posts in this thread: It is not just about data/privacy concerns (which are underestimated imo, as China pursues an own agenda with collecting your data through Chinese tech) and ‘unfair’ subsidies, but about gross human rights violations.

In short, some parts of the cheap Chinese cars are made in concentration camps where people are forced to work under catastrophic conditions.

Bitte gerne. Bei all der Propaganda ist es nicht immer einfach, den Überblick zu behalten, selbst bei einfachen Fakten. Da sind dann oft kleine Sachen wichtig. Schrittchen für Schrittchen sozusagen.

Done.

@hsdkfr734r Der Hafen von Piräus, der bedeutendste und grösste griechische Hafen, gehört jetzt China, nur um ein Beispiel zu nennen. Denn er ist nicht der einzige.

nachvollziehbaren Informationen.

Ja, genau. Deshalb braucht es u.a. auch unabhängige Audits. Dann wäre alles nachvollziehbar.

Das ist nicht nur eine Frage des Zolls. Viele Produkte -in der Auto- ebenso wie in praktisch allen anderen Industrien- werden in Zwangsarbeit hergestellt, und zwar auch, aber nicht nur in Xinjiang. Solange China keine unabhängigen Audits seiner Lieferketten zulässt (was u.a. VW kürzlich offen gesagt hat), sollte sich die Frage nach Zöllen gar nicht erst stellen. Produkte, die unter solchen menschenverachtenden Bedingungen produziert werden, sollte es gar nicht geben. Europa braucht u.a. auch ein viel strengeres Lieferkettengesetz.

Zudem gefährdet China durch seine Unterstützung Russlands im Ukraine-Krieg und sein aggressives Verhalten im Südchinesischen Meer die internationale Sicherheit (auch das wird in letzter Zeit wiederholt angeprangert, mittlerweile sogar von Politikern in Europa).

Was?

Naja, streng genommen nicht. Ein Kommentar soll ‘nur’ alle Seiten eines Themas beleuchten, aber nicht die Meinung derer, die das schreiben. Die Meinung der Journalisten und -innen sollte belanglos sein. Daran hält sich nur (fast) niemand in der Branche.

Naja, das hängt wohl von der Meinung ab. Wenn es um konservative Meinungen geht, dann sind die öffentlich-rechtlichen vorne dabei: https://www.tagesschau.de/kommentar/chatkontrolle-eu-102.html

This isn’t an Italian problem, there are bad people everywhere. In Italy it’s not better nor worse, so there’s no reason to pidgeonhole a nation.

Die ARD wird halt immer mehr zu dem, was die Programmdirektorin draus macht?

It’s a bot with a funny human touch 😅

And one detail here is that mainstream media don’t report on this. They do as if it didn’t happen.

@zecg

What a garbage! This comment doesn’t make sense for a lot of reasons, but the most obvious one at first sight is the ‘useful idiots’ argument. These ‘useful idiots’ are exactly the far right-wing officials who get repoortedly bribed by China and Russia, and are criticized by their own party members for their incompetence.

Criminals have already been using alternative ways to exchange data for a lo.g time, especially those who are exchanging images and videos (such as CSAM) as everyday messengers are completely inapt for transmitting such large volumes of data. And these algorithms will yield a lot of false positives too.

And it is the wrong signal to authoritarian countries as it makes people and companies extremely vulnerable. As Markus Hartmann, Chief Public Prosecutor in the German state of North Rhine-Westphalia, said not long ago on chat control:

“From the point of view of information security there is to assume an increased risk [of hacking]. There is no special expertise [demonstrated by politicians] in this area with regard to the signal effect for authoritarian states.”

[Original link in German, translation my own.]

Chinese orgs love signing MOUs

The CCP - or, better, the China Scholarship Council (CSC) under the rule of the CCP - forces Chinese students and researchers to sign ‘loyalty pleadges’ before giong abroad saying they “shall consciously safeguard the honor of the motherland, (and) obey the guidance and management of embassies (consulates) abroad.” The restrictive scholarship contract requires them to report back to the Chinese embassy on a regular basis, and anyone who violates these conditions is subject to disciplinary action.

In one investigation,

Mareike Ohlberg, a senior fellow working on China at the German Marshall Fund, sees the CSC contract as a demonstration of the Chinese Communist Party’s “mania for control.”

“People are actively encouraged to intervene if anything happens that might not be in the country’s interest,” Ohlberg said.

Harming China’s interests is in fact considered the worst possible breach of the contract.

“It’s even listed ahead of possible involvement in crimes, so effectively even ahead of murder,” she noted. “China is making its priorities very clear here.”

[…] Kai Gehring, the chair of German parliament’s Committee for Education and Research, says the CSC contracts are “not compatible” with Germany’s Basic Law, which guarantees academic freedom.

In Sweden, for example, universities have already cancelled the collaboration with the CSC over this practice.

There is ample evidence that China uses scientific collaboration with private companies as well as universities and research organizations for spying. You’ll find many independent reports on that as well as of the CCP’s intimidation practices of Chinese students who don’t comply with the party line, e.g., in Australia and elsewhere. It’s easy to find reliable sources on the (Western) web.