You may have noticed a distinct lack of return2ozma. This is due to their admitting, in a public comment, that their engagement here is in bad faith:
I’m sure there will be questions, let me see if I can address the most obvious ones:
- Can I still post negative stuff about Biden?
Absolutely! We have zero interest in running an echo chamber. However, if ALL you’re posting is negative, you may want to re-think your priorities. You get out of the world what you put into it and all that.
- Why now?
Presumption of innocence. It may be my own fault, but I do try to think the best of people, and even though they were posting negative articles, they weren’t necessarily WRONG. Biden’s poll numbers, particularly in minority demographics ARE in the shitter. They are starting to get better, but he still has a hell of a hill to climb.
- Why a 30 day temp ban and not a permanent ban?
The articles return2ozma shared weren’t bad, faked, or from some wing-nut bias site like “beforeitsnews.com”, they were legitimate articles from established and respected news agencies, pointing out the valid problems Biden faces.
The problem was ONLY posting the negatives, over and over and then openly admitting that dishonest enagement is their purpose.
Had they all been bullshit articles? It would not have taken anywhere near this much time to lay the ban and it would have been permanent.
30 days seems enough time for them to re-think their strategery and come back to engage honestly.
So you’ll be banning people that post only negative news about trump?
The mod already answered a similar question:
We have negative posts on here when Trump as much as farts. If there is anything bad faith it is claiming that there is a balance in positive and negative posts about Trump.
No one claimed that.
But…. mUh WHaTaBoUT!
Check the mod logs. FAR more posts are removed for arguing WITH leftists than posts BY leftists.
And no one here believes R2O is even a leftist. Dude is a straight up propagandist.
So the rule was spamming? They should make that an actual rule then instead of banning people for posting articles supporting their opinion.
That’s not what he said.
I guess it’s a combination of spamming plus one point of view. That still doesn’t really strike me as bannable, as most people will post articles they agree with and hence want to share that way. As long as the posted articles are true, then the only issue I see is the spamming part, which is the only thing I agree could be an issue.
It’s not bannable if you do it once, or even a few times per day. Not even for a few weeks or months on and off. But when you do it 10-20 times per day, every day of the week, for months and months on end, and the shtick is always directed at a particular narrative, and if you bomb comment sections below each thread with combative, dismissive rhetorical punches that show you’re just trying to push a narrative, and if you openly admit you’re doing it to favor one narrative over others, then yeah. That’s pretty classic trolling and definitely bannable. Just take a look at the number of posts R2O has made since they created their account. It’s actually insane to think of the daily rate that entails.
Do you think this ban is fairly nonpartisan?
Would you also ban a user that only posts negative Trump stories and admits to that?
I agree r2o was getting to be a bit much, and the temp ban seems appropriate, but I’d want to see a policy like this applied fairly and evenly.
If someone pumped the gas and was posting dozens and dozens of pro or anti Trump stuff? Yeah, I think I’d do the same.
We did have quite a few pro-Trump posts as he was winning primaries, which made logical sense. I’m also planning on megathreads in July and August for both conventions.
You should make spamming too many articles within a certain X time a rule then. I think it needs to be more objective. This is getting into partisan territory.
We did end up doing that in World News when one user dominated the front page by posting 19 articles at once(!)
I don’t think Ozma quite hit that level, and it wasn’t really the volume that was the issue, it was the desire to be continually, relentlessly, negative.
I generally agree with your reasoning. In a ranked choice world, they would likely have a candidate they would back, and support. I think many of us here would be happy to be in that world.
Reminder for everyone to vote every election, and local and state are super important, it’s where you have a chance to get ranked choice in the discussion.
I agree with this take on r2ozma. They obviously criticized Biden and the DNC relentlessly, but to me it came from a place of frustration from wanting better representation. It’s a good case study in how the 2 party system generally fails us all.
Yup, yup. Fixing elections is a tall order, but if freakin’ ALASKA can get ranked choice, why not everyone?
Alaska is notoriously anti-establishment so ranked choice is almost a perfect fit for them.
Absolutely! Make note of your election dates and vote in all elections.
You deserve representation.
Unfortunately, implementing ranked choice nationwide requires politicians who are responsive to the will of the people.
If we had that, we would already have what we needed ranked choice for.
How is that in bad faith?
Theres lots of blind support and promotion for team blue on here that I think Ozma was providing a needed counter balance. You say you dont want an echo chamber but I think this acomplishes the opposite.
So whats the ratio of good to bad news that we must share in order to not be banned?
I see it like this, and naturally, I’m biased…
Today I made three threads about court case updates. 1 about the Georgia case, 2 about Florida, because it was new and newsworthy.
If I did a deep dive on Cannon and posted every single misdeed she’s done since becoming a judge, people in the group would be right to go “Hey… um… you OK? Working through some issues?”
If I did it day, after, day, after day and then posted “Yeah, I’m only interested in bad things.” Someone would be right to tell me to go touch grass.
I still cant see how Ozmas posting was in bad faith. Obsesive? Sure, it could be seen that way but it says nothing about their intentions other than they were prioritizing negative/critical news of biden and the dem. party, and I can see why, since theres a strong push back on the fediverse against those types of news.
Coming out and saying “sure there’s some good things, but I’m only interested in bad things” means he’s disingenous in his posting. As I mentioned in another comment, we don’t allow Fox or Newsmax or OANN because it’s clear they have an agenda.
Openly admitting that agenda becomes actionable.
Agree to disagree.
They explicitly said “I prefer to share the bad news” not that it was their only interest and, as I already pointed out, theres a legitimate reason as to why that could be.
Nothing of what ozma posts and comments makes me think they have a pro-trump agenda. I believe your personal opinion of Ozma is influencing how you interpret their words and their banning is based solely on the your assumption of what they meant.
All this said, I could be wrong to since im not inmune to my opinions shaping how I see things but even if I thought they were pro trump, i think the comment in cuestion is not evidence enough of their agenda (or lack there of)
Theres lots of blind support and promotion for team blue on here
Every time we have this conversation, this same point comes up, and it’s always totally imaginary.
The whole board is full of people giving Biden shit (chiefly for Israel at this point; honestly it might be a different story if he wasn’t giving them weapons, but as it is, I think you’d be hard pressed to find any story about US aid for Israel that doesn’t have its top rated comment as giving his war criminal ass a hard time for it. As well they should.)
But the trolls like to create a reality where they are the only ones that are willing to criticize Biden, and anyone who’s taking any note of their particular brand of wildly dishonest and repetitive-almost-like-someone’s-doing-it-as-a-job anti Biden postings, just is part of some kind of imaginary monolith that doesn’t want any criticism.
The fact that it’s never true and looking at the comments for like 2 seconds will illustrate that it’s not true, somehow never deters people from saying it.
The whole board is full of people giving Biden shit
And more often than not is followed by a variation of “vote blue no matter who” or its heavilly downvoted or gets several replies all telling them how dumb and wrong they are. Thats what I meant, but I admit that it isnt as one sided as my comment might imply.
Anyways, I dont think their descicion of only sharing negative news about biden is not inherently in bad faith. In fact, I believe them admitting to doing so proves the oposite, they were telling people directly what types of news they are sharing and what their view of the situation is, instead of pretending to be objective when theres clearly a bias.
And more often than not is followed by a variation of “vote blue no matter who” or its heavilly downvoted or gets several replies all telling them how dumb and wrong they are.
Brb, I’m gonna look for the most recent “US does something pro-Israel for some fuckin reason” and total up how many of the first few top voted comments got followed up by a variation of “vote blue no matter who” or is heavily downvoted or gets several replies etc etc.
Edit: It’s actually kind of tough, because most of the stuff in !politics@lemmy.world is about domestic things. The first thing I found that was big enough to have lots of replies, and dealt with Israel as pertains to the US’s policy, was this. Top comment is critical of Biden, i.e. not too heavily downvoted. Then, the top reply is me, defending Biden saying he has nothing to do with this and explaining why. Lots of discussion about who actually is to blame including people saying it includes Schumer, other people saying no it doesn’t that’s misinformation, and an official mod opinion that yes it absolutely does, the Democrats at least some of them are definitely to blame here.
So… are you saying that that’s an okay conversation? Or would it only be reasonable if my reply didn’t exist or was different? Is that all something you would characterize as “vote blue no matter who”?
Thats an ok conversation I guess. But, in order to make your defense, you had to willfully ignore the fact that biden (and both party leaders) have a very pro israel/netanyahu stance and all of them are sponsored by pro israel money which, I believe, is what the comment you replied to was saying, even if this specific issue wasnt directly related to biden Thats what I would call blind/dishonest support for team blue.
Thats an ok conversation I guess
Okay cool. That is my point though! People are painting /c/politics as this weird echo chamber of pro-Israel pro-genocide lovefest for Biden’s policies when it is the total opposite, and then using that as an excuse to be just as partisan and dishonest in the anti- direction as they are claiming (wrongly) that people are being in the pro- direction.
you had to willfully ignore the fact that biden (and both party leaders) have a very pro israel/netanyahu stance
I absolutely do not do that. I actually probably would have been in the comments as one of the people talking about what a bunch of shit it was that Schumer was pushing this stupid idea, except that I got distracted by the totally weird and bad-faith attempt to link it to Biden.
I do think that it’s notable that Biden has nothing to do with this effort. Biden’s actually been deliberately snubbing Bibi from this kind of thing for quite some time, refusing to meet with him in the White House and meeting him in some hotel instead when he finally did sit down with him, and courting his political rivals, all of which I’m sure pisses him off.
That doesn’t honestly mean all that much to me one way or another for as long as he’s providing weapons for the genocide. But if you’re gonna get all up in arms about the US government inviting Netanyahu and giving him honors, I think it might potentially be relevant that Biden actually goes out of his way to do the opposite, and definitely is relevant to call out if someone is trying to link Biden to this thing when he has nothing to do with it.
And again, like you said, the conversation seems fine. It’s an exchange of views. Some I agree with and some I don’t. I don’t see where this “oh no without ozma where we will go for the voice in the wilderness that will say anything against Israel or the US government… on LEMMY…” attitude even comes from, which makes me likely to see it as a disingenuous effort to promote a very, very, very slanted viewpoint as a “counter” to the imaginary attitude.
That is my point though! People are painting /c/politics as this weird echo chamber of pro-Israel pro-genocide lovefest for Biden’s policies when it is the total opposite.
There are certainly users who would prefer that c/politics be what you just described, and enforced as such.
And more often than not is followed by a variation of “vote blue no matter who” or its heavilly downvoted or gets several replies all telling them how dumb and wrong they are.
Or baseless accusations of being a Trump supporter or a Russian shill.
Or just straight up abuse.
Sometimes the accusation is just cowardly implied, as mozz is doing here.
PS: But for some reason is Ozma the one arguing in bad faith.
Pretty sure I was engaging with you purely on the merits of your arguments, in a decent amount of detail, and I actually thought we reached a point of okay not seeing eye to eye but hey I said my bit, I read up what you said, I went and looked and we talked about how the discourse was, and it was all cool to move on. I mean I called you out for the pure strawman of “lots of blind support and promotion for team blue”, but again, purely on the merits, and I thought we had moved on from it and actually had a pretty factual conversation about it.
But sure, if you took me including you in my hey-look-the-instance-distribution-is-hinky list to be a specific accusation against you that I was too cowardly to make directly, I’m happy to talk more about it. I looked over your user; you’ve left 5 messages in this thread, which is more than you’ve ever left before in any thread. You’ve never left even 4 messages in a thread before. Mostly, it’s one-sentence-in-one-message quick takes. Somehow, out of all the possible things to care about in the whole universe of political or technical or societal topics, you suddenly decided that saying that there’s lot of blind support and promotion for team blue and ozma was providing a needed counter balance, was the thing you cared about most out of any conversation you’ve ever had on Lemmy, and started getting super passionate and talkative about.
Also, the longest conversation you’ve ever had other than this was posting another grouping of shill talking points – here, in this thread full of blind support and promotion for team blue. Not voting, and ozma’s user, are apparently the only two things you’ve ever cared about enough to write more than a handful of sentences about in all the time you’ve been on Lemmy.
Having looked over your user, I think it’s pretty likely that you’re a shill, and most of your not-shill contributions to Lemmy are just a smokescreen of a small number of quick messages and one conversation about eclipse glasses. I think the timing of you coming into this particular topic is probably just to deploy here to defend ozma. Again, the truth is that I have no idea, but that’s what seems most likely to me. Does that seem less cowardly?
your profile-stalking is half-assed and won’t ever tell you what you think it does about people, only their user accounts. it’s toxic as fuck.
Mmm keep going I’m getting close
Call me a shitlib
Why wouldn’t a person’s comment history tell you anything about who they are as a person? What else do you have to go on? It’s literally their persona in the context of a pseudonymous forum.
Calling it “stalking” and “toxic” is a lame dodge, usually by people who got found out. They hate that their behavior fits a recognizable pattern - they don’t want to be accountable for their own public actions.
Right on, brother
Preach!
There lots of comments on ozuma articles saying they are bullshit as well. If people that only post positive stuff don’t get banned it’s just an echo chamber, it’s just as bad faith as only negative at that point.
I am interested in the fact that as of this moment, the pro-ozma speakers in this thread come from:
- kbin.run
- fedia.io
- kbin.earth
- sh.itjust.works
- slrpnk.net
- lemmy.sdf.org
And the anti-ozma speakers come from:
- lemmy.world
- lemm.ee
- lemmy.world
- mbin.grits.dev
- programming.dev
- lemmy.world
- discuss.tchncs.de
- lemmy.world
It is very interesting to me that each individual one of the pro-ozma speakers comes from a different instance, with no repetition. Could be a coincidence of course, but looking over the two lists it’s hard not to notice a clear disparity. And, as a pure hypothetical, it would make it very difficult for any individual admin to detect a duplication of IP address between any two of the accounts. And there’s no lemmy.world. Purely hypothetically speaking of course.
I was kbin.social before this until they got unstable.
Might want to add that one.
But please, go through my history and continue to call me an alt
I didn’t say you were an alt; I said the first list looks way way different than the second list.
In the interval while I was typing, a couple of other pro-ozma people from lemmy.world chimed in. But I’m gonna leave it. That’s how it looked when I checked, and the way it looked when I checked is pretty weird.
That’s how it looked when I checked, and the way it looked when I checked is pretty weird.
Must be a conspiracy.
Nice argument; So im some sort of shill/bot/alt now? I guess this conversation is over then.
Didn’t say that; I said the lists looked real weird. Which they do. Then I offered one explanation, which maybe I shouldn’t have done since it’s a super-strong conclusion from very weak data.
Whether or not you’re an alt, I have no idea. But the lists still look weird to me.
I would find this constant paranoid suspicion of yours more amusing if it weren’t so condescending toward people who do not share your worldview.
Mm yes we must be pro that account and not anti how dumb/silly the reasoning is.
It’s likely a coincidence.
I blocked Ozma months ago, because seeing his posts did not spark joy and blocking him has improved my experience on Lemmy, and generally I think this is a good moderator decision. But I hadn’t commented because I mostly agree with the temporary ban and I wasn’t seeing his posts anyway.
I think I agree more with the spam angle than the “only bad news” angle. As others have said it’s fine to have a viewpoint and mainly share articles in line with that viewpoint. However doing it many times per day, every day, when the number of posts here is limited anyway, does impact the community.
In any case, the main thing is to be consistent and ideally make whatever the rule is very clear. And I would say this should be turned into an explicit rule or explanation under an existing rule.
Personally I just read what I want to, and if it seems bad faith, downvote and move on.
i agree, jordanlund is opening themselves up for extra scrutiny with this.
spam and displaying signs of getting off on angering users (trolling) is absolutely a valid and nonpartisan reason for a ban. but as soon as the mods start citing actual politics (outside of clear examples of misinfo, which is not in play here) it gets dicey and accusations of bias pile up fast, which is exactly what we are seeing play out right in these comments.
A rate limit would make far more sense than whatever this is.
I was thinking of saying the same thing. I’m not sure the mod tools support it though.
Set up a script that tallies user submissions, and remove new ones that exceed the limit.
I’m not familiar with the mod tools but I find it hard to imagine you couldn’t write a short little script that does that.
There are several commenters I would have blocked before r2o, especially if bad faith is the reasoning. But I appreciate the openness and the work put into moderating.
I think the difference is posts vs comments. Lots of bad faith commenters, relatively few posters.
[if ALL you’re posting is negative, you may want to re-think your priorities. ]
It’s okay to do that about a specific politician if that is your true opinion. However, it does seem like this person was arguing in bad faith by admitting he is aware things are not as bad as his posts seem.
by admitting he is aware things are not as bad as his posts seem.
Let’s do a little mental exercise. What does this next line imply?
Both good and bad news about Trump is out there. I prefer to share the bad news
The only ones arguing in bad are the ones completely twisting what he said to find an implication that does not exist and accuse him of it.
Let’s do a little mental exercise. What does this next line imply?
Both good and bad news about Trump is out there. I prefer to share the bad news
It implies you are arguing in bad faith. Doesn’t matter whether you are talking about Joe Biden of Convicted Felon and Sex Offender Treason Trump.
The irony of someone constantly being banned from here for misinformation, here to defend an admitted propagandist.
Weren’t you just accusing this community of supporting Israel in another post somewhere? Ahh yes, here it is:
You should know /politics and /news ban anyone critical of israel and Lemmy.world is ran by Zionists.
Wasn’t that you?
As I recall, you said you weren’t posting here anymore.
Amazing you managed to not respond to a single argument and went for ad hominems and proving my point.
Oh Linkerbaan, are you really calling out people for not responding to your argument? You, of all people?
Your primary mo is to go in every thread and screech “Zionist” before anyone dares question your posts or comments and you want to talk about ad hominem? Cute.
Nothing here is ad hominem if it’s true. You HAVE been banned for misinformation, you ARE defending OP
There is no argument to respond to as you’ve not made one.
I am unsure why you are appealing to authority in a post questioning said authority.
If you have nothing but ad-hominems I have nothing to respond to anymore.
Point out the ad hominem for me please.
To a certain kind of person, saying they’re wrong is a personal attack.
Good move, they were a clown and pointing out that they were arguing entirely in bad faith is correct. They did it under the guise of being far-leftist, but as a far-leftist myself, I have a hard time believing it was for anything other than pissing people off. Hopefully they can go practice being happy instead of doom-posting on niche Internet forums.
I have a hard time believing it was for anything other than pissing people off.
this is why I blocked them. Also, kinda felt I didn’t want to be seeing his crap. Biden is an awful candidate but R20 ain’t helping matters.
Kind of incredible someone can be banned for posting too many negative stories about Biden (and admitting they like posting them, I guess?) while the mods here ignore users that post comments denying that specific homophobic instances occurred. Happy Pride! 🥳
Well, we don’t have time to read every comment in every post.
If there are problems, make sure you report them! That’s what we see first and foremost!
I did, that’s why they’re already banned on Blahaj.
Edit: Also, I literally just spoke to you about it right now and the comments are still up on lemmy.world, so I’m not sure what message I’m supposed to take here other than these comments don’t break the rules.
I haven’t had time to go back and review the chain you’re talking about, re-report it and I’ll grab it when I have the chance.
I can’t re-report it, they’re banned on blahaj and the comments have been purged for me. Also my client (maybe instance?) doesn’t allow re-reporting.
Got it, I’ll come back through the comment link when I have the chance!
Should I take that these comments are still up near 24 hours later with no follow up to mean that they don’t break any rules?
Starting from here:
https://lemmy.world/comment/10473647
Yeah, there’s nothing actionable there. The downvotes and replies do the job.
Guy is making a provably false argument, that’s proven to be false.
I checked my block list and already had this covered. I don’t need that kind of shit in my life. But good on you for making it a better place for everyone. I 100% support banning folks just to make a board less miserable to visit. Both sides is good. Agenda is bad.
Playing devil’s advocate here… I exclusively post news from sources on the left to the center. Doesn’t that mean I more or less have an agenda?
I think the issue is more so the specificity and the precision in their posts always being about one person.
See, I’m not interested in Devil’s advocacy. The board was overwhelmed by negativity that just made me want to not come here at all. When I blocked them, this became a better place to hang out immediately.
I don’t care about the justification (either of the moderation or how I enjoy the board). All the rules and everything is just an attempt to codify how to keep the place enjoyable and useful. If someone makes the place less enjoyable or useful, get rid of them. I don’t have room in my life to engage with people or content that just makes me want to be elsewhere.
It’s super easy for me to agree when I already had the dude blocked, of course. If there was a voice I liked hearing from, I’m sure I’d feel this is all very dictatorial. But I don’t. I think that person is insufferable and people coming to the board for the first time are more likely to stay without their posts being here. And that’s plenty of justification for me.
Edit: snipped a paragraph that was just rambling and redundant.
God damn this was way longer and more effort than I wanted to put into this. Guaranteed autocorrect has fucked up a bunch of things I’ll need to edit if I even catch them.
Anyway, tldr: fuck that guy and glad riddance. That was an autocorrect failure but I like it so I’m leaving it.
shit, at least you admit you don’t care because you don’t like them.
Everyone else is trying to pretend different
Other people are allowed their reasons. They don’t have to secretly feel the same way I do. I speak for exactly one person - me.
I already had this person blocked because I felt they contributed negatively to the experience of being here. That’s a subjective call, but if the mod happens to agree, I want him to know he has my full support in his efforts to make this a nice place to visit for anyone who doesn’t like being around insufferable assholes. Those are my kind of people. I don’t personally need any rules cited or clarified, but mine isn’t the only perspective.
It’s really just the bad faith part that matters the most. Pushing your opinion is fine if you’re honest with what your position is
What do you suppose ozma’s actual opinion was, then?
You don’t understand propaganda do you?
When centrists can’t answer a question, they get condescending.
Was ozma not?
I think they were perfectly honest about their feelings
Except from the post it looks like he was banned because he was honest about his opinion (e.g. ‘I don’t like biden, i prefer articles that support that opinion’)
I’m sorry but how is that admitting bad faith? Feels more like just saying they’re posting the negative because no one else is.
Only posting bad news about one person is trolling. They weren’t here to engage honestly.
Please explain how that’s trolling when said person keeps doing things to warrant bad press?
You say it’s okay to post negative stories about Biden but then say if we say we’re posting negative stories that means a ban?
Biden doesn’t have enough slips to merit the number of negative posts, and the absence of anything positive indicates he was only here to stir shit up.
It IS possible to mention that Biden’s numbers are improving (they are) or that the (Murdoch owned) WSJ article was bullshit:
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4704853-white-house-wall-street-journal-biden/
careful haha i’m with you for most of this thread but this comment dives into an argument that weakens your position i think.
i didn’t block that account because of the number of negative biden posts. personally i blocked them because they kept being abusive to people in the comments in a way that they clearly enjoyed, aka trolling. (i don’t think personally i ever even noticed the biden thing, just that they were mean a lot.) i think it’s enough to ban them for abusing the platform in a way that is contra to the average user having a constructive experience (and then admitting to the means of it)—you don’t really need to stoop to counting Biden’s “slips” as that is just opening yourself for more dissent
cheers ☕️☀️
Biden doesn’t have enough slips to merit the number of negative posts, and the absence of anything positive indicates he was only here to stir shit up.
I’m not here to debate this perspective, but you should be aware that this sounds a lot like editorializing.
That is often the problem with Ozma. Picking the most editorialized lowest quality source. Focused on turning nothing into something. In order to meet some “biden bad!” Quota. Not every single time. But often enough. Some of them were pretty ridiculous how hard they were reaching.
If there’s a bad source then I would imagine it would either be removed or at least challenged in the comments.
Him presenting a lot of examples that support his opinion isn’t bad faith, imho
Polls improving doesn’t mean there’s not negative stories due to him.
Or that Murdock owned press are the only ones writing about him.
Uh oh, sounds like someone is heading towards a Bad Faith Engagement!
Prepare the black bags of silence, it’s time for reeducation.
they were here to post links to political news that complied with the rules. your capricious moderation has been a problem since your first week.
Admtting he was only posting negative news for the explicit purpose of being negative was what earned the temp ban.
capricious moderation is the only real explanation.
If that were true, I would have banned them AGES ago when people first started complaining about them.
It took 11 months to earn this ban, and a temp ban at that.
given that their behavior has been the same this whole time, this doesn’t hold water.
The behavior has been the same, what changed was the admission. Until then they had the benefit of doubt.
Refusing to stop posting debunked claims is dishonest
And yet that’s not the reason for the ban or mentioned
what was the debunked post?
Why not all the shit blaming him for what Republican congress members does?
maybe you could just link one?
Why would I bother search through his account history now?
if what you are saying were true, you could do it. a claim made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. i don’t believe you, and no one should.
Ok so I scrolled back line 2 weeks of the dudes history, and apparently he posts dozens of times per day and I can’t be bothered to scroll further. Some dozen articles on polls blaming the admin for stuff they aren’t responsible for, ignoring things they did do, and some article insinuating dementia, and a bunch of doomerism. There’s probably better examples further back than 2 weeks, but I can’t be bothered. Other people in this thread has given examples of stuff they’ve seen from him so maybe check for yourself
Normally I’m not one to even entertain the thought of commenting on a political thread, but I feel it would be disingenuous to click the button without any feedback in this case. This decision leaves me with a large enough lack of confidence in the future moderation of this community(especially given we’re in an election year) such that I can’t in good faith leave it on my feed and I will be blocking this comm after this comment.
While I agree that Ozma deserved a ban for spam, the justification used for this is frankly appalling. Misrepresentation of bias as bad-faith, especially with the admission that largely good sources were used is unacceptable.
He admitted to me, after I accused him, that he searches a news aggregator for “Biden” daily and posts the negative stuff he sees. I believe he said it was to hold dems accountable or something. That exchange was maybe a month or two back and might have been either here or on !news@lemmy.world
If I do a search for puppy mills every day and only post the negative things, is that bad faith?
Let’s go with that example. If you posted multiple times per day about puppy mills on a community about animals, that would be a bit much. I post multiple posts about Trump per day but its generally reflective of overall media coverage. I just go to my preferred sources and browse their home pages for news that seems interesting. I don’t seek out anything in particular.
I’d love to one day, see just ONE of you people offer up a good argument that’s relevant to the topic.
If you’re posting to Aww? Absolutely.
Ok, so if Biden is a puppy mill, is Trump the kill shelter?
And then this guy is PETA, working at kill shelters while posting negative stuff about puppy mills?
If your goal is to fuel a distorted view about the competing candidates then that is bad faith.
The mod logs aren’t showing them banned at all, Is there something I’m missing?
I’m not sure why it didn’t hit the modlog, unless the remove content script is still running.
Yeah… odd.
Has anyone been banned for only posting good stuff about Biden?
Hard to tell when the front page was flooded with negative posts from one user.
If we start seeing a bunch of “Biden is the best President we’ve ever had!!!1!!” posts from the same user over and over, obviously I’d consider it. :)
This is the exact point. He was banned for spamming the same thing over and over. It was boring!
After I blocked him myself I realized he contributed nothing but drama. Go on Twitter if you want to create drama
Or banned for posting only negative stuff about trump? I don’t really post, but I’m definitely “guilty” of always being critical of trump, and most Republicans in general in my comments.
That’s the thing: you’re not spamming it.
