I know it’s .ml where such things happen but ffs! This guy needs to fucking chill 🤦
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I have no opinion about the particular circumstances of ops ban or anyone else’s interaction with lemmy.ml, but posting through a ban just never looks good
A whole comment section posting bans looks… worse. It looks worse.
What do you mean by posting through a ban?
posting through a ban just never looks good
It’s not like I’m evading the ban by posting there with another account or anything.
Just letting off steam about idiots in a community meant for, amongst other things, exactly that 🤷
Did you want me to leave Lemmy entirely for 3 days just because one idiot tankie called my common sense reply McCarthyism?
I don’t mean ban evasion, I mean posting about it on another instance
It just looks a lot like posting about a break up. Usually you get only half the story and the other person is made out to be crazy
Well in this case it’s clearly the whole story and the other person clearly IS a deranged tankie, so there’s that 🤷
🤷
worldnews at .ml is a dumpster fire. First community I had to completely scrub from my instance because it was just so toxic from top to bottom.
Edit: Also, will share my last comment there before I self-banned and purged that cesspit from my instance. This is in reply to someone making a fat joke about Kim Jong Un:
Good 'ol ambiguous Rule 1 lol
You too, huh!
What you didn’t realize is that Kim Jong II is actually the mod
I tried to give that instance the benefit of the doubt at first, but I just block all lemmy.ml communities when I see them now. There’s just too much user and ideology overlap with lemmygrad and hexbear. The worldnews sub was especially bad though. Disinformation & insults everywhere, but they’re never removed despite reports, because they’re part of their side & agenda. It’s basically lemmygrad in disguise.
Fucking mods, this is Reddit all over again.
And fuck off whoever that tells me again to set up my own instance. What I want is popular instance admins and mods to pull out the stick out of their asses, because free speech instances that get defederated at the speed of light are of no use.
And there’s no seamless multiaccount Lemmy client yet.
/rant
And there’s no seamless multiaccount Lemmy client yet.
…except all of them. At least for Android.
Here’s the one’s I’ve used with seamless multiaccount functionality: Liftoff (RIP), Jerboa, Thunder, Connect, Boost, and Voyager
Sync too, but I only used it briefly because fuck ads.
Babe, wake up; a new .ml wrongthink euphemism dropped
I’m still undecided as to who is more irritating to deal with… the tankies over in .ml or the liberals over here.
Just block the community/instance and move on
No, even though they don’t like the instance, they are required to post in it for whatever reason and then cry when they predictably get modded.
Makes sense!
It’s funny to me that they don’t admit what they said but want sympathy apparently.
checks lemmyverse.net
There also appears to be a world news community on lemmy.world, if that’s more people’s speed.
Jesus fucking Christ, are we getting the power-trip mods?
Time for an alternate community
You said that germanys Nazi problem doesn’t have to do with west Germany never denazifying and that west Germany was a perfect country because of how pacifist it is and how they remember the holocaust.
You posted a screenshot earlier, but here’s the text of your removed comment, split up into the part you quoted and your comment itself for people who have trouble reading the screenshot:
West Germany was never denazified data that ends before the BIRTH of the majority of Germans
Look, I’m not saying that Germany doesn’t have a problem with an increase in far right politics and violence in recent years, but to claim that they never stopped being a Nazi country is some ahistorical tankie edgelord bullshit. Until recently, Germany has been a near-pacifist country almost pathologically careful to “Nie wiederholen, nie vergessen” (never repeat, never forget) and pretending otherwise doesn’t accomplish anything except expose your very shallow and underdeveloped understanding of the world.
For people who don’t know 20th century European history, that’s like saying that American racism isn’t related to how half assed reconstruction was except over a shorter timeframe.
The comment you quoted has zero issues, and just paints you as a crazy fucking psycho.
What makes me seem like a crazy fucking psycho there?
I mean most of the Nazi middle leadership just became NATO/Western Germany leadership. But they said they’re sorry so it was OK.
The irony of a communist banning someone over “McCarthyism” when what the banned user said was not even close to McCarthyism, making the mod action itself McCarthyism.
They’ve become the very thing they hate!
You were suppose to destroy the Sith, not join them
Everything I don’t like is McCarthyism
I don’t like gourd veggies. Is that McCarthyism too?
This engine is McCarthyism.
Oh is this the new “Gaslighting”?
Being a moderator is the only amount of power these people will ever have, and they like it, and will absolutely abuse it.
It’s not just pettiness. They’re pushing manipulation.
You guys are getting notifications? I just notice the lack of upvotes after a while posting into the void.
Some of the mods will cite the reason for take-down, which is genuinely nice and appreciated and something I forgot even existed after too much time on Reddit.
Interesting. Reddit does prompt you to give a removal message, or did at one time.
.ml tends to slap “rule 1” on everything, which says don’t be a bigot, even if that’s obviously not what the comment was about.
.ml tends to slap “rule 1” on everything, which says don’t be a bigot, even if that’s obviously not what the comment was about.
[emphasis mine]
Sure about that? From what I’ve seen, anything said in disagreement with the predominant opinion over there (and on hexbear, especially on hexbear) is deemed “bigotry”. They don’t appear to be interested in ingratiating anyone to the cause.
… That’s exactly what I said. Or, at least, what I tried to say.
Some of it is actual bigotry, because this is still the internet, but if they just want to shut someone up it’s also “rule 1”.
Okay, gotcha, I was looking at it from their point of view, which is that everything to them is bigotry, not realizing that that’s what you were saying in the first place. The bad, it is mine.
4.1. No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia. Code of Conduct.Nope, it’s still rule 1 on .ml specifically. Or are you accusing me of bigotry out of the blue? That would be ironic in this context.
I’m simply quoting lemmy.ml’s rule 1 in its entirety. I wrote “4” in error.
which says don’t be a bigot, even if that’s obviously not what the comment was about.
Maybe. But I also see a lot of 4chan-esque double speak and “Free Speech” concern trolling that’s all the fuck over Reddit constantly without ever getting any kind of take down.
Reddit admins have automated so much of their policy that you’re posting in a minefield. You don’t know what arcane caveat you’re going to trip over that’ll get you suspended or banned. But you still find yourself hip deep in the most virulent bigoted, war-mongering, and overtly vile comment threads, because older heads know how to tip toe around the trigger words.
Yeah, both can be true. There’s no way they’re close checking every comment on the instance, looking at the rate of mod actions versus traffic.
Head over to lemmy.ml and scroll to the mod log link at the bottom if you want to see for yourself. A lot of it is just slightly different views on the same socialist stuff. Like the time I said Dengism was just thinly-veiled capitalism, and got banned.
It’s literally one of, if not the, original community, and it’s the one maintained by Lemmy’s developers. It’s probably smaller than .world, but dwarfs my instance.
If you try to post again and get a certain error you’re banned from the community, then you can check that community’s server’s mod log (if it’s public)
It just silently goes through, but nobody else can see it. I only know it happened because of the modlog. Weirdly enough they got me the first time for mild criticism of Israel, which I did not expect to be an issue on there.
Might be silent removal of posts instead of ban
Nope, it was a two-week ban in the .ml mod log, both times.
I should look at the source code a bit, see how bans are supposed to work. It could be a federation issue of some kind if I’m supposed to be notified.
This is the comment and of course toothy banned me for 3 days too.
Just like they did for “sinophobia” when I expressed misgivings about Chinese and Hungarian cops joining forces 🤦
I got banned for “orientalism”, whatever that is
Orientalism is this stuff.
Idk I personally enjoy seeing terms I learned in grad school being thrown around in a mod log.
Paradigm shifts keep the brain nimble.
This is the comment in question, for what it’s worth
Treating Asian culture or people as a particular stereotype.
Criticizing China in any way.
Ahhh now that adds up
That’s like that meme post from a few years ago where it’s like (paraphrased):
Person 1: “I can’t stand homophobes”
Person 2: How dare you insult Christians like that.
Person 1: I never said “Christians”. You jumped on that grenade all by yourself.
Yeah that’s some petty bullshit.
Side note but I really appreciate the mod log feature.
Just like they did for “sinophobia” when I expressed misgivings about Chinese and Hungarian cops joining forces 🤦
Just love the thing where they twist any criticism of the Chinese state into perceived hate for Chinese people, but are so apprehensive when Israel tries to do the same. It’s reprehensible.
I have had my comment removed and/or banned from the ml worldnews for “misinformation” for debunking Russian propaganda with sources.
Why do we allow these instances?
Who is “we”?
The lemmy devs run lemmy.ml. They’re kind of…out there, politically.
The lead dev, dessalines, has material like:
https://dessalines.github.io/essays/socialism_faq.html
Admitted to supporting and arming Neo-Nazis and other ultra-nationalist groups like the Azov battalion in Ukraine to overthrow it’s former pro-Russia govt, 2. Ukraine now has a pro-US, nazi-glorifying government with ultranationalism, anti-semitism, neo-nazi pogroms, and attacks on LGBT groups.
Dessalines is in the “we need the Soviet Union back and Stalin is awesome” camp. He was using a picture of Stalin as his profile picture for a while.
You know there crazy when they think the left is the far right
Like complaining about attacks on LGBT people while supporting Russia and the USSR seems just the most hypocritical thing I can think of. Does he not know Stalin mandated a 5 year minimum forced labor sentence in Siberia for being gay and Russia today is only mildly better for LGBT people.
Frankly, I think that complaining that a government headed by a Jewish guy is anti-semitic is even more bonkers.
That being said, I’m sure that dessalines didn’t originate that himself – that’s apparently big in Russia’s propaganda.
Lavrov, Russia’s foreign minister, rather infamously had a quote shortly after the start of the invasion, when asked about the whole “how anti-Semitic can Ukrainians be if they chose to elect a Jewish president” thing:
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/02/1095926607/lavrov-israel-zelenskyy-hitler
Lavrov was asked about Russia’s claim that it had invaded Ukraine to “denazify” the country, which has a democratically-elected Jewish president.
“So when they say ‘How can Nazification exist if we’re Jewish?’ In my opinion, Hitler also had Jewish origins, so it doesn’t mean absolutely anything,” he told the station in Russian, referring to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s religion, according to the Associated Press. “For some time we have heard from the Jewish people that the biggest antisemites were Jewish.”
Nazi and fascist have different meanings in Russia. They mean people working against the interests of Russia, it originates from the USSR. For example the gay community was labeled fascist during the soviet occupation here.
TBF the Azov Battalion is a real neo nazi us funded (through Ukraine support) group… So… Not entirely wrong?
Oh, yea, the Ukrain military has a bit of a nazi problem but the time to deal with that is not when you are being invaded. Also the nazi talking point is mostly a red herring anyways since the nazi problem in Russia is magnitudes worse and isn’t limited to their military.
So it’s technically not wrong but tankies don’t really have a problem with nazies, otherwise they wouldn’t be defending Russia, they are anti USA and will side with anything that’s even close to that side with no regards to any other belief. I’m not a fan of the US either but I’m not going to blindly support anything against it either.
Sure. You can find ideologically opposite militias fighting for Ukraine too, though. Zelensky is in charge and he’s obviously not a Nazi. He’s a Jewish guy who really wants to save Ukraine as it is and is completely willing to go full Western-progressive to do it. Singling Azov out without the context is basically a propaganda technique.
Also, Russia is acting a bit like Nazis from the very highest levels, except a shittier more openly corrupt version.
You can ask your own instance admin if they’re willing to defederate
I just had one removed from news as well. I don’t even remember what I said though so I somehow doubt it was something that crazy
Found it in the modlog, not posting it here, but you suggested someone killing themselves was a good thing… Yeah, that’s going to get removed.
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&userId=144966
From this post:
https://lemmy.world/comment/9274535
Rule 1 - Be civil
More like “Rule 1 - Selective Enforcement”
They give tankie talking points a lot more leeway.
What is lemmy.ml and lemmygrad? I’m just a casual using Voyager
Instances operated by pro-Russian or pro-BRIC individuals/groups that have no interest in dissenting opinion and often spill out into the rest of the fediverse posting anti-western propaganda.
even BRICS are bad now?
Instances operated by pro-Russian or pro-BRIC individuals/groups
“Everyone I Don’t Like is
HitlerAn Evil Foreigner”Hexbear falls under this umbrella, right?
Basically, it’s flat Earth theory but for geopolitics. They believe the exact opposite of what everyone else does so they can have a tight-knit community devoted to being smugly superior to the sheeple.
That’s a good way of putting it
I don’t believe lemmy.ml’s are pro russian, at least not in that way.
It’s not as bad as Lemmygrad but most news threads about Russia/China/Ukraine are a total shitshow over there.
