I’m out of the loop. What the hell is he talking about?
It’s honestly shocking how that wasn’t an absolutely bigger deal because it’s a freaking terrifying thing to say from the person we are all saying has to win or else.
But for him it’s just another paycheck.
I think it’s honestly why the front page is flooded with the project 2025 stuff to kinda bury how terrible a candidate Biden is becoming.
Trump is worse. Nuff said.
And Putin is a monster, Hitler was an incel asshole, Boris Johnson was a purposeful buffoon. The opponent being someone you don’t like doesn’t mean they don’t win and you can ignore everyone else’s opinion.
Look I’m from Missouri, I will vote for a dead guy again if I have to. Because the other choice is fascism.
If the dead guy is going to lose and you can pick a live candidate thst supports your platform that will win, will you still run the dead guy and lose?
I’m still willing to hear a viable candidate and how that would work less than half a year before an election. In order for us to have another nominee we have to do something to get someone else to put their name on a ticket. That actions might create a bit of a loophole where any party could run a lame duck candidate in the primary, won, and go on to basically pull that candidate for “cognitive decline”.
What I believe will happen, based on our laws and our history, is w.ell have another Al Gore moment where the vote gets split and we get a Republican as a result. And since right now the Republican is Donald “I touch 13 year Olds” Trump, I’m gonna ask you why a sane person would choose to let Trump become president.
and how that would work less than half a year before an election.
Normal countries don’t have elections that last over half a year. It’s clearly workable everywhere else, and it’s not like the people already voting Biden are going to not vote for whoever the Dem candidate is.
I don’t buy that it would cause confusion or somehow be less viable to change candidates; this isn’t 1880, we have phones and TVs and the internet now. If the candidate changed as little as a month before the election everyone would still know what was going on, even if was a huge pain in the ass to account for in terms of ballots.
"Normal countries don’t have"I’m gonna stop you right there. Because what I am asking is how it works for this election at this time with our constitution, laws, and regulations. Because that is what is pertinent now in the event that he steps down.
As for the bit about them voting for any democrat on the ticket (we know historically that’s not what happens), this is literally what happened with Hilary Clinton. It caused so few people who otherwise might have voted not to vote that we got Donald Trump as president for a first term. It’s not about confusion. It’s about people being disheartened enough to think it doesn’t matter. And believing in the super majority of democrats who will vote so they don’t have to. Because not voting is a form of protest.
People would still know. But the whole reason the media is playing up the age and health of the president currently is to convince people not to vote. And it’s working. There are people in this country who voted for Trump in protest because Bernie Sanders was not ok the ticket.
Because what I am asking is how it works for this election at this time with our constitution, laws, and regulations.
The convention hasn’t even happened! Biden isn’t even officially the candidate yet!
I’m sorry but who the fuck is going to not vote or vote for Trump because Biden isn’t the candidate? Nobody loves the dude.
I’m sorry but who the fuck is going to not vote or vote for Trump because Biden isn’t the candidate?
I’m starting to think the answer is “every centrist on lemmy.”
Why ask him to step down if they can choose someone else. He is the official candidate as voted for in the primary. The primary is over. And if you’re gonna stick your head in the sand and believe that people are going to just vote for whoever they happen to put up as a democrat I’m gonna need you to look back on the 2016 election like I said because we already know this has happened before. If you think it can’t happen again you’re part of the problem.
He is the official candidate as voted for in the primary.
Cool, he’s still not the official candidate because he hasn’t been selected at the convention yet. If you’re going to lecture someone for not knowing how the system works you should at least understand that the primaries don’t actually select the candidate, the convention does.
“We have to run a weak candidate that polls like shit because the last time we did this exact same thing we lost but it’ll work this time” is the real head in the sand stance.
Was it a facist play when the DNC propped up Biden and forced in Kamala even though the base was behind Bernie and Kamala was so bad the she was forced to drop out early in the primaries? How come no one talks about that being facist?
At this point i feels like it’s all republican trying to do a psyop telling people not to vote.
Or maybe we are just panicking at the person we can literally tell us unliked by other voters when even the people who will begrudgingly hold our nose at the vote are starting to get disgusted by the smell.
Seriously how hard is it to to not pretend people aren’t struggling swallowing it down and the people ringing alarm bells are just that and not some special person trying to influence others but just don’t want to hit the iceberg because it seemed like it would cost less fuel to just try ramming it and hoping we get lucky.
Fuck me. This is gonna be one of those parts of textbooks where it says infighting led to the party not moving fast enough to face the threat and whichever side makes it out the other side scapegoats the other as being the reason it got so bad.
Why can’t we just express our disgust with the situation we’re in without being called a psyop? I’m going to vote for Biden. I’m still pissed that this is where we’re at. People were saying he was too old in the primaries before the last election and the Dems still shoved him down our throats and they’re going to do it again. It’s fucking bullshit. At the very least we need a candidate that’s young enough that they’re going to have to live with the consequences of their decsisions
It doesn’t matter if you literally preface every comment you make with “I AM VOTING BLUE NO MATTER WHO” with these people, every criticism is a psyop to get people to not vote.
You’d think having a candidate that polls like shit would be what makes people not vote for him. But no, it’s actually the fault of the people pointing out he is a bad candidate and that perhaps we should run someone who doesn’t repeatedly shout that “we beat Medicare” in the middle of a fucking debate.
The Democratic establishment fucking loves Trump, the specter of him is a permanent fundraiser and no matter who they trot out or how weak a candidate they are they don’t have to change anything, because the alternative is literally fascism.
These are people that blame the fire alarm going off for starting the fire.
I’m going to vote for Biden.
Then save the issues until we’re sure we still have democracy.
Damn. I thought cultish thought-stopping was something we didn’t really have very far left of (what the U.S. calls) center. Would you like to see Democrats comparing Biden to Jesus like the MAGA crowd does Trump? The day the Democratic party becomes just as much of a cult as the Republican party is the day we have two literally fascist parties to choose between rather than a fascist party and still-a-major-win-for-the-fascists-but-at-least-not-quite-as-bad party.
Unless something completely unexpected (like a third party candidate actually having a chance of winning) happens between now and November, I’m voting blue no matter who in the general election. I think everyone else in the U.S. should as well, and I’ll tell them that. But nobody is served by liberals (and lefties) deluding themselves into thinking our choice is between anything other than two unequal evils.
What’s your reasoning here? Are you hoping that if you and I lie and say Biden’s going to fix everything, it’ll get more people to vote blue than if we tell them to vote for the lesser evil (which, to be clear, is the candidate with the D next to their name)? Because I really think the case could be made that the opposite is true. Or do you really think Biden is a perfect, infallable candidate?
That happened already
No, you motherfuckers have been telling me to keep my opinions to myself since the last election and I’m sick of it. If he can’t get enough votes to win that’s on the Dems for running him in the first place. Fuck you and fuck them. It’s long past time to stop blaming the fucking republicans for the mess we’re in and actually push back. Maybe if he actually used that power the supreme court just handed him my opinion would change but he’s already admitted he’s too much of a pussy to do anything with it.
Wait until it’s not election year so they can ignore you easier
Stop making such a big deal about civil rights, we want to help but you should do it right
Why would I want to side with climate activists when all they do is block traffic and make my day worse?
MLK Jr was right. The worst people are the ones who are comfortable where they are and want to stop any change they see happening because it might inconvenience their idea of reality. They’ll let the actual enemy win just to make sure they don’t have to hear how they are involved in their own downfall.
You’re describing conservatives. Get on the Dem train if you’re being. Honest with yourself.
Yeah I’m describing white liberals which mostly call themselves Democrats without reaching to their larger voting base of the actual working class.
It’s gone. You ain’t had that in years. The reichstag already happened, yall just catching on 20 years late cause the mask is now longer necessary.
But also the snowflakes that avoid tarnishing their pure souls by avoiding difficult choices altogether. They don’t care if america falls to facism, as long as they can brag about being morally better than you.
Thankfully, normal people still outnumber them.
They need to vote, however.
Oh yes, I’m never going to discourage voting, because that’s dumb and only benefits one side.
Yeah, its sad. They’ll abstain because of righteous indignation, then act horrified when their lack of action has consequences.
RepublicanKremlin. Pretty fucked that Lemmy swallows it hook, line, and sinker.Has been that for months.
Always has been.
Correct.
Always has been.
Conservatism is the minority in America, and rarely wins through above average voter turnout, which is why they do everything in their power to gerrymander and disenfranchise voters.
I wonder if OP will continue posting after the election or if he’ll stop when the funding dries up
I’ll still be here. I usually just do this during my daily peloton ride or at work when I’m bored. It’s easy.
He will, but he’ll just post about whatever he’s paid to hate on next. Not to mention the alts he uses to downvote bomb users who disagree lol.
I agree with some of his opinions but boy does he post a lot of anti-biden stuff
Especially if when you asked him if anyone else could do the surgery, and he drifted off, rambled on a bit, then eventually said only “lord God” would prevent him from doing the surgery no matter what anyone else said…
It’s fucking insane so many people are defending him. They act like the president is meaningless but also that it has to be Biden. And they can’t give a single reason that isn’t easily disprovable.
They’ve tied their identity to Biden like trumpets to trump.
But like, at least with trump I get how idiots would fall for it. I have no idea why it’s happening with Biden.
Because the other option is to support Trump. People don’t like Biden, they’re defending him because the other option is still worse
Because the other option is to support Trump
Being given that illusion, doesn’t mean that’s actually the case. There are other options, they just involve more than bare minimum action, including the discomfort of confronting and unlearning the indoctrination we’ve been put through from birth, and facing up to the fact that the system is rigged by design and is working as intended, and that no matter which of the teams you pick, neither is there to serve you or society, but the owning class, and themselves, and that only playing by the rules they have set out will never result in that changing.
There is still time to replace Biden. After the convention there won’t be and a lot of ‘we need to replace Biden’ folks will return to supporting Biden because there is no other alternative. Until then they have an entirely justifiable voice.
The problem is that you can replace him with a better candidate, but that doesn’t mean the new candidates chances of winning are better. The DNC has to put up the candidate that gives the best chance of winning, not necessarily the best candidate.
I agreed with this in 2020, but am far from convinced this time around. As much as folks like to bury their head in the sand about Biden’s troubles, they are way more of an issue than in 2020, anyone who doesn’t at least see that is not being honest with themselves or wilfully delusional.
They might still think that even with Biden’s deterioration he’s the better candidate, but he still actually needs to be elected and I’m. It convinced the majority agree any more.
A much younger candidates with centrist tendencies would at least be able to present a vision that is more that ‘I can beat the other guy’ and lay out a vision that, as middle ground as it might be, could get folks motivated again.
a vision that is more that ‘I can beat the other guy’
As was the case here in the UK, it’s all they need to manufacture consent to maintain the status quo at best. In reality, the descent towards fascism continues no matter who is elected, and it will continue to do so as long as we play by the rules those in power have set out for us.
I remember being told that exactly in the primary caucus in 2016 by a smug boomer when I was making the case for Bernie.
How did that turn out?
it’s fear mostly. If the democrat candidate changed this late in the run, it significantly lessens the chance that the party will win, and to a lot of them, they see it as a “I can’t vote for trump” type vote. Personally I feel if he drops out now, the party wouldn’t recover in time for election cycle which would basically give trump the win.
But that fear is hypothetical, we’ve never tried it.
We do know what happened to Jimmy Carter and trump. The last two incumbents that ran for elections with approval numbers similar to Biden.
I just can’t imagine a single person willing to vote Biden but not for any other D nominee.
So I don’t understand how any replacement can be considered worse than Biden.
Where are those “only Biden” voters?
If theryre the same ones that voted against Obama, well, there wasn’t enough to matter back then either.
I more or less agree with that, it’s just I do know there will be people that wanted to vote exclusively Biden who will no longer vote because it wouldn’t be biden. And I believe it’s going to put the Democratic Party in the same situation the Republican party was when Trump originally started running again where it will basically split the party only this time instead of it happening super early in the campaign cycle it will happen super late in the campaign cycle therefore wouldn’t have the time to mend itself. Especially with him sharing similar ideologies with his campaign interests and not dropping
it’s just I do know there will be people that wanted to vote exclusively Biden who will no longer vote because it wouldn’t be biden
I mean, the DNC isn’t putting a progressive in the race, it’s almost certainly gonna be Kamala if it happens.
If there are some who will only vote for Biden (I doubt it) I just can’t see them not coalescing around the DNCs pick.
Even if they do, it’ll be like 08 PUMA where it turned out to be just an incredibly vocal but tiny group
It’s fucking insane so many people are defending him.
It’s not. I only defend him when the criticism isn’t valid and he’s not even my president. People actively ignore that he has a speech impediment. People on this site repeat the lie that he has dementia. And everyone who remotely dislikes him keeps calling him genocide Joe as if he’s the one orchestrating the whole Israeli-Palestinian conflict alone, ignoring the history and political context.
They’ve tied their identity to Biden like trumpets to trump.
I hardly think that’s true. Biden’s personality is boring old white guy with no swag.
Stop the lies.
Don’t stop defending, the internet needs more users like you.
The world is where it is due to the sociopathic belief, lie now, figure out how to put out the fire later.
People actively ignore that he has a speech impediment.
You know Biden has been on camera for decades, right?
1988, literally called the greatest orator of his generation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R1GB-6aIPw
2008, still great:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89FbCPzAsRA
2012 debates, this is when his childhood stutter came back, because he’s almost 70 (get into that below) but he’s still lucid and very on top of his game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYcdSwbrErI
2020, lots of people had doubts, but between him and trump he squeaked out a very narrow win:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLvKaUi8VXw
Now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFyBapzgbSs
He had a childhood speech impediment. When someone overcomes that, it’s because of a semi-concious action in the prefrontal cortex. As we age, that’s one of the first parts of our brains that takes a hit. And it is very easy to write off damage for years, but it’s accumulating.
That same part of the brain handles critical thinking, controlling emotions, and overcoming impliciti bias which is why there’s a stereotype of people “getting” racist as they age. They’re literally losing the part of the brain that say people outside of their in-group might not be murderers and thieves.
You don’t have to take my word for it. There is literal decades of science about how aging effects the brain.
Look at those videos. Biden isn’t starting down this path, he’s pretty fucking far down it, and were discussing if he can run the country during a fascist takeover.
You know Biden has been on camera for decades, right?
These rhetorical questions sound very condescending.
Yes, I know the basics of neurology and anatomy. I also know that you’re less likely to focus and use those mental functions if you’re exhausted from travel and sickness, which I’ve experienced before at less than half his age.
There is literal decades of science about how aging effects the brain.
Yes, geriatrics is a branch of medicine.
My point about his stutter is that people are pretending that he’s far worse than he is because he struggled that night with his speech. He’s not excellent and yet not outright incapable because his executive functions are all there. You can piece together what he’s trying to say but it’s just not coming out how he intends to. The format of the event where he gets cut off instead of taking a deep breath and trying again unfortunately accentuates it. And if he’s still incumbent and doing fine without any obvious characteristic signs of severe mental decline that are not expected for his age, why should we focus so hard on it? You can see that he’s fine in the ABC interview.
And I will not accept your claim that his stutter was only during his teenage years. Those are life-long conditions. I should know because I have one.
Yes, I know the basics of neurology and anatomy. I also know that you’re less likely to focus and use those mental functions if you’re exhausted from travel and sickness,
Did you not watch the interview?
He was back 12 days from the overseas trip before the debate, and Biden contradicted himself by saying it wasn’t a virus and then it was a cold.
Seriously, it’s a good interview, they brought up a lot of tough questions and would repeat when he wouldn’t answer.
My point about his stutter is that people are pretending that he’s far worse than he is because he struggled that night with his speech
But it was far worse than a stutter…
I literally just gave you a 36 year timeline of his public speaking abilities…
and doing fine without any obvious characteristic signs of severe mental decline that are not expected for his age, why should we focus so hard on it?
Because “for his age” is him breaking his own world record for “oldest American president”…
And four years ago it was already a valid concern.
You can see that he’s fine in the ABC interview.
I can not…
The one that I linked for “now” up there?
Like, even if you mean you personally consider that “fine” theres noway that you can think people don’t have a valid reason to question after the interview.
And I will not accept your claim that his stutter was only during his teenage years.
Fine, but I can’t provide links of every single time Biden spoke publicly on video and expect you to watch all of it to verify.
You just need to find one video of Biden stuttering before 2012 when I said it came back. Hell, let’s just say the 2012 video I linked. Give me a timestamp where he’s as bad as he is now and I’ll say I’m wrong.
Those are life-long conditions.
You think it’s literally impossible to overcome a stutter?
I don’t think you understand how common stuttering was back then for kids. Biden got rid of it by fifth grade, completely gone with no trace before he went to college.
Like, it happens now less commonly, but how do you think everyone with a childhood stutter continues to have a stutter? And how is Biden so special his disappeared for 60 years?
I’d prefer the cryptkeeper surgeon who is at least trying, as opposed to the orange ghoul who is there to harvest your organs for some spare change.
The problem lies with the hospital which allowed those to be the only options to begin with.
this all the way. I have very vocally stated there needs to be an age ceiling on positions, there is age floors, there is zero reasons not to have an age ceiling.
My current job has an age ceiling of 70 years, and I have very limited authority when it comes to deployment of nuclear tech.
I don’t give a shit how demented biden gets. fucking Regan showed that you won’t even notice if the support staff step up.
So if the support staff will do everything, why Biden?
Like would you feel comfortable seeing your pilot pound a fifth of whiskey and then snort a couple.lines of coke before walking on the plane?
You do have a co-pilot there anyways…
Like, why not ask for a competent president in addition to the staff?
Especially when half the plane is insisting Jesus will take the wheel and we don’t need pilots and there’s a vote coming?
I feel better about him than the guy who wants to fly the plane into a skyscraper and who gets to pick a support staff that might help him do that. The airline has terrible staffing policies, but I don’t really get to change them in the 30 minutes before the plane takes off.
You do know you’re in a thread about Biden stepping aside, right?
And the question was:
Why Biden instead of any other Dem
And I’m just getting responses about how Biden is better than trump.
Literally nobody here is disagreeing with that.
You’re just making the case that not even Biden supporters can explain why they think he has to be the nominee. At least not a reason that’s not easily disproven.
You do realize Biden has a staff of over 120 people with roles that include trying to control narratives on social media. I think some of these people are legitimate but I can’t help but think some of them are AI bots or staffers working for Biden trying to manipulate the conversations and discussions.
Biden is toast. The sooner Democrats, bots and staff members realize that the quicker we can energize the party with a different candidate that people actually like and that can engage in unscripted questions and policy discussions while speaking from the heart.
If this was twitter, reddit, or Facebook maybe. Especially if they werent always down voted.
But the chances of that happening on Lemmy is almost zero. It’s just a shit return of investment due to the small userbase and engagement.
It’s honestly what I like best about Lemmy.
Lemmy is where people with actual ideas go. Those capable of thinking outside the box. Government usually tries to stay on top of progressive technology because it is where change is actually happening. Twitter, Reddit, etc. is just a bunch of bots competing with other bots.
The reason is I don’t get to pick who the nominee is at this point.
You missed the part where I said I don’t give a shit.
I don’t trust the support staff the other guy is going to pick.
But it’s not just Biden or trump…
We’re talking about replacing Biden with someone that’s more likely to win the election.
Like, if we run Biden and the polls are right, you know that means trump picks the staff…
Right?
someone that’s more likely to win the election.
Who would that be though?
Literally any Dem not named Hilary Clinton…
I used to include Kamala, but honestly I think she’ll do well enough to beat trump. Her biggest criticism is being a prosecutor, but she’s up against trump, she knows how to handle criminals
It’s not even about who I want to be president. I sure as shit don’t want Kamala. I just want trump less.
If I thought sticking my head in the sand would help beat Trump I would.
What a shit take that doesn’t equate
How did you take Biden saying he’d only step aside if the Lord Almighty came down, and that when confronted with being behind in multiple polls by 7 points that he’s fine if he loses as long as he tried his best?
It’s a dumb take because it doesn’t make any sense. I mean you’re talking about a position where the person can (and has multiple times) literally die on the job and someone will just step in and pick up where they left off. This example makes it seem like if the president dies or even just loses the presidential race then so does every person in the country or something lol.
I get the spirit of what they’re trying to say and even lrgely agree with it but it’s just a super bad analogy.
Voting Biden. Fuck all these takes. I’ll never vote R again and I’ll always vote. You old bastards die mad at the world.
I’m voting Biden, but I still hate both him and Trump, and I hate that he’s refusing to drop out even though every D voter in the country is begging him to drop out.
The only reason I’m voting for him is because I want to stave off fascism for another 4 years.
Many of these folks are still going to hold their nose and vote for Biden. A lot of these takes are valid criticisms without necessarily meaning they aren’t voting for him. Hating every candidate and voting for one anyway is a long standing tradition here in Canada.
THEN OFFER A SOLUTION. GIVE AN ALTERNATIVE.
FFS I am so tired of this. It’s a critique with no idea what to do instead.
Here are the 4 options
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Vote Trump
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Vote Biden
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Vote 3rd party/independent/write-in
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Don’t vote
What do any of these critiques do to change this? Are they saying to not vote Biden and do one of the alternative 3 options? What’s the end goal here?
THEN OFFER A SOLUTION. GIVE AN ALTERNATIVE.
Replace him at the Convention. The Party’s donors are fucking panicking right now lol
You think people got mad when Hillary Clinton was “selected” at the Democratic Convention after a nationwide series of primary elections and delegates all voted with her as the winner, can you imagine the shitstorm unilaterally picking some other candidate to replace Joe Biden without even the pretense of a primary process?
There was barely the pretense of a primary anyway, no one serious ran against Biden and there weren’t debates and anyone who voted against Biden was screamed at by the entire rest of the Party. People are already pretty mad about that, and then being told “vote for this nursing home patient or the government will kill you” isn’t making it better.
So unilaterally picking someone else will make it… better?
Biden is behind Trump in gd New Jersey, which has been a democratic stronghold since 1988. Biden is unfit for office now and he’s only getting older! How much worse will he be by the next debate? Or by the election? Will he even make it to November??
The great thing about a lemmy.ml comment is I can just down vote without reading because I know its bullshit.
It’s like I’m back on Reddit 😂
There was a full primary in 2020 and in modern times incumbent presidents don’t have primaries in their second terms.
Who announced their intention to run against Biden and got screamed at by the entire party that was actually a serious contender? We had one no-chance tepid foot put forward. That’s it. I bet you can’t even name them without looking it up.
You’re just making shit up now.
Who announced their intention to run against Biden and got screamed at by the entire party that was actually a serious contender?
Not what I said. I said anyone who voted against Biden got screamed at. Did you forget?
With who? In case you haven’t been paying attention, nobody polls better than Biden. The majority of voters are mush-brained dipshits who operate off name recognition and vague feelings.
Yeah, because he’s the only one actually campaigning. That has an impact on polls!
You’re dodging my question. With who?
As I said elsewhere, I heard an interesting idea on DemocracyNow
I was trying to lay out a process that would create an organized and very democratic and transparent process to choose a new nominee. It would basically compress the primary process into a month.
There are 400-plus members of the Democratic National Committee. It would convene, nominations would be open, and we would get a requirement that anyone who wanted to be nominated for president or run in this primary would have to have the signature of 40 sitting members of the Democratic National Committee, including at least four from each of the four regions of the party. Now, since there’s only 400-plus members, very few people could actually do that. It would be people that we know. It would be Governor Whitmer, it would be Cory Booker, it would be Kamala Harris and Governor Newsom and Governor Pritzker and maybe Governor Shapiro from Pennsylvania — people who already have a constituency and have states with members, enough members on the DNC that they would be able to get the required 40 in a week’s time.
Then they would begin to campaign. They’d be certified by the secretary as legitimate nominees. They would show they have a national base of support among elected Democratic Party officials. And then the party would organize a couple of town halls, televised town halls, where the candidates would appear. We’d go to the convention, and it would be like the convention of 1960, where it would be wall-to-wall campaigning for delegates, the elected delegates, most of whom are Biden delegates. He would release them.
And it would be pretty exciting. The networks, the media would cover it wall to wall, as opposed to the way they cover these scripted conventions now, which maybe give it an hour or two each night. We’d have nominations from the floor. We’d have the speeches given. We’d have the horse trading taking place between state delegations. And an eventual nominee would be elected, probably after more than one ballot. But people would leave the convention with the new nominee energized, with wind in that nominee’s sails.
The question of “with who” would be answered by an exciting democratic process that would energize the Party for the election.
AOC… There now you have an alternative. No one can prevent Dems from losing but Biden. He has to step aside. Otherwise Trump is going to get elected.
AOC isn’t old enough to run for president.
like, seriously. there’s only 3 rules to be president, and two of them are “born in the usa or you were around before the usa existed”. The other is “be 35+”
jfc. you people. 🤦♂️
AOC will be 35 in time. She is able to be President and you would know that has you done any basic research on the issue instead of spewing misinformation for whatever reason.
So you are worried that Biden is going to lose and want to run a candidate that will win… And your first suggestion is AOC ~4mo before the general?
“SPEWING MISINFORMATION.”
jfc. you fucking nutters.
Again, your narrative is dependent on this false premise you’ve set up that Biden “has” to be the nominee.
I’d love to know what we citizens can do to convince the DNC to stop nominating these out-of-touch antiques for candidates?
I’m serious. Because until we get the DNC to change their behavior, this same shit is going to continue to happen.
There’s a reason why the likes of Bernie Sanders and AOC don’t get nominated. It’s because they won’t toe the line of what the DNC wants.
And voting third party does no good. It’s a losing choice that only helps the republicans; because any vote that is not for the D is a vote for an R.
Third parties do not get fair treatment during elections, so they do not get the same exposure. And everyone knows it’s all about the exposure you get. Mostly through adverts, mailers, phone calls, etc… But also TV airtime, news articles, debates, and so on.
Yeah it’s unfair and it’s bullshit and woulda shoulda coulda. Make all the excuses you want; shit ain’t changing until this duopoly is changed. And right now, they’ve got their heads so far up their asses that they can lick their own uvulas.
So how do we change that? Seriously. Legitimately. Realistically.
Because not voting for Biden is the same as voting for Trump, and goddamnit we cannot survive another term with that poor excuse for a human being.
Because not voting for
Bidenthe Democratic nominee is the same as voting for Trump, and goddamnit we cannot survive another term with that poor excuse for a human being.Ftfy.
As of today those are the options. If it changes then great. But whining on lemmy and calling it a “critique” isn’t going to make that happen.
Well you aren’t living in a fact based reality then.
Your script is pretty tight now
Last I checked Biden was the presumptive nominee. If somebody else is the nominee, I will probably vote for them. I don’t understand the issue here.
Well he’s not the nominee then is he?
The issue is that their shithead Kremlin boss told them “make Biden look bad”
If anything, the person you’re responding to is advocating for voting for Biden. (They stated they live in Canada, so I’d imagine they won’t be voting for Biden themselves.)
Are you misunderstanding, responding to folks who are planning not to vote for Biden (who aren’t even mentioned in the post you’re responding to), or arguing it’s not ok to voice criticisms of Biden at all (regardless of whether one plans to vote for him or not)?
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I treat an R like 7-up: never have, never will.
How about a criminal grifter doctor that says he doesn’t care about you, he just wants your money?
He tries to sell you beans while you’re on the operating table.
Your other option is a equally old man, hopped up on Sudafed, who lost his hospital privileges just 4 years ago because his mortality rate was insanely high, and no one would give him malpractice insurance, he had his medical license pulled in at least two states, and it’s suspected he sold illegally harvested organs to a group of rich people who wanted to eat them. He’s been legally found responsible for rape he’s committed in civil court, and he was found guilty in criminal court of dozens of felonies related to him stealing hospital records when he lost his license and privileges and may or may not have sold them to the last people you’d ever want to have access to them. He’s wearing a lobster bib and licks his lips as he says ''only I have the skill to save you, I don’t even want to, but I will… ‘’ He also forwards that everything is falling to ruin, and nothing is good now, and people are dying from surgeries left and right, and the people who died on his surgeries were fake deaths orcastrated by invisible foes only he can see or stop, so it was never his fault all those people died on his watch.
I’m so tired of people trying to get famous by dunking on Biden.
Is he old? Yes. Out of touch? Yes. Does he misspeak? Frequently. Is he publicly supporting Israel while Netanyahu engages in human rights atrocities and crimes against humanity? Also yes. Is Biden a centrist oligarch who represents a status quo continuation of the devout capitalist policies that are rapidly destroying the world? Sure.
But he’s still better than Trump. And he’s the best chance we have at defeating Trump. America can survive a second Biden presidency. We will have a lot of work to do, but it will be worth doing. The USA will not survive another Trump presidency. It will be the end of the experiment, and the beginning of a whole new nightmare.
So Biden must win.
To that end, I have a modest proposal for the armchair pundits on Xitter, all the comics and authors and panelists hoping to make it to the next cable news roundtable as a contributor. When Biden does the next stupid thing, makes the next gaffe, fucks up again (Jesus fuck, did he say he’s a minority woman?), whatever, whenever you come up with that perfect burn, the clever observation that is going to go viral and get eyes on your name, feel free to share it. Biden is not King, regardless of what the SCOTUS* would have us believe, so he is not immune to criticism. But when you post it, include the addendum “But I’m still voting for him, because Trump would be worse.” Make it part of your signature, or shorten it to BISVFH to conserve characters.
Doing this will help all the rest of us reading your comments, so we don’t feel the need to explain to you why you should still vote for Biden. It will also help us more quickly identify the foreign agents and online trolls who exist to stir up discord and assist Trump.
Biden sucks. He really does. But I’m still voting for him, because Trump would be worse.
And he’s the best chance we have at defeating Trump
Have you seen the polls lately? You’re riding a dead horse.
Biden is polling 10-15% below of where he was 4 years ago, back when he barely defeated Trump.
How do you propose Biden will make up that ground? Do you think he has a strategy to pull off the biggest electoral comeback in our lifetime?
You can make a futile attempt at policing anti-Biden comments, but it’s not going to stem the bleeding. Normal Americans can see the dementia written all over Biden’s confused face. They can hear it everytime he struggles through another incomplete, mumbled sentence.
I hate Kamala too, but I hope the DNC pushes her forward- at least she has a shot at stopping Trump.
Kamala is polling worse than Biden. Is she really your best option?
Tell me your plan. How is she going to turn it around between now and November? What can Kamala do that Biden can’t? How is she going to avoid the appearance that the Democrats don’t care what their primary voters think?
Kamala is already in the race. What could she do at the top of the ticket that she can’t do now?
And if it’s not Harris, then who? Give me a name, and then answer all of those questions for that person.
Well it seems a bit unfair since no one answered my questions, but I’ll bite.
Kamala Harris has lower poll numbers because she has not been campaigning for herself. Being at the bottom of the ticket is not the same.
Once she is nominee, she will have hundreds of millions of dollars to sell herself to the American people. She will be front and center in campaign rallies, press briefings, high profile interviews, and (hopefully) the debate stage against Trump.
What can Kamala do that Biden can’t? She can speak without showing obvious signs of dementia.
It’s been 8 years of Trump vs. Biden, most voters know where they stand in that race. But Harris vs. Trump means voters can reevaluate their position and get a fresh view. Democrats are being destroyed in the polls, they desperately need a refresh.
I think most people don’t care about their primary votes- remember it was mostly Biden vs. Uncommitted. People understand it was not a real primary when theres only 1 viable option on the ballot. I think the overwhelming majority of the party will gladly adopt Harris now that Biden has shown how bad his dementia is progressing.
Kamala is not charismatic, her politics suck, but at least her brain works well enough so that she would have a shot at beating Trump.
It’s sad that the standard we set is “better than Trump”, particularly given that Trump is the epitome of no standards whatsoever.
Extremely sad. But that’s still the standard, which is why I’m still voting for Biden. Maybe after the election, and Trump and his cronies are actually behind bars, we can worry about 2026 and electing some actual progressive leaders. But the puppet masters behind Trump, the Project 2025 dipshits, they’re not going to go away quietly. Fascists never do.
Biden sucks. He really does. But I’m still voting for him, because Trump would be worse
This is what most voters likely to vote Biden say.
But for you, would you say there’s any Dem that you wouldn’t vote for?
Do you think that answer is common among people willing to vote for Biden?
And shouldn’t we run the person who most voters are willing to vote for because Trump is such a threat?
I would vote for anyone opposite Trump.
I don’t believe that a plurality of voters would vote for anyone opposite Trump. I’m not narcissistic enough to think everyone thinks like me. I recognize that most voters don’t follow politics, don’t engage with the news, and don’t really care much about learning who the candidates are.
The most important factor for all elections everywhere is name recognition. People want to feel like they know what they’re doing, even if they have made zero effort to engage in the process.
It is far too late for anyone other than Biden to introduce themselves to America.
Trump doesn’t need to convince people to vote for him. His acolytes will show up to vote. Trump just needs to convince everyone who won’t vote for him that it’s pointless to go to the polls. One neat little gift the DNC could give to Trump would be to say to all Democrats that their primaries don’t matter and there’s no reason to vote. Annointing a new candidate now, after people have cast their votes, would be a giant fuck you to every voter who has been screaming for better candidates over the last 6 years. Nothing will kill enthusiasm for voting quicker than passing the buck to someone new.
And let’s say they do pick someone else. They haven’t been vetted or tested. They haven’t campaigned in any states. They haven’t built the infrastructure or donor network or legal team. What if the new candidate has a scandal? Does the party hand the baton to yet another candidate? Should we leave the ballots blank? Do like a MLB trade, where we all vote for “A candidate to be named at a later date.”
Like it or not, we are stuck with Biden for this one. February 1st, we can all start talking about if he should step down, who should be Harris’ VP, whether the Dems have someone that can win in 2028, etc.
I’m curious, though, who is your candidate? You get to hand pick the name on the ballot across from Trump, who is it? Whitmer or Newsom? Buttigieg or Shapiro? If they are so great, why aren’t you calling to replace Harris on the ticket? I mean, that’s the stronger play, right? If you wanted Harris, you could just argue that a vote for Biden is a vote for Harris, because he’s really old and can resign as soon as he is sworn in. That’s the best of both strategies.
But it’s not Harris. So why not replace her on the ballot with your dream candidate? It solves the primary problem, since people were casting votes for Biden, and he’s still on the ballot. Plus, then the new person can introduce themselves to America, and Harris can retire to write her book.
I would vote for anyone opposite Trump
So why argue against people trying to get a better candidate?
- You and everyone else willing to vote for Biden, will vote for any Dem.
- Some people don’t want trump, but won’t vote Biden.
- There exist other politicians who can be the Dem nominee.
Conclusion: Sticking with Biden, becomes the worst chance at beating trump.
Don’t worry about anything else, just look at that logic.
Can you find any flaw in it?
But just so you don’t keep asking:
I’m curious, though, who is your candidate?
AOC
But again. All we’re talking about who can beat Trump. And if that logic up there isn’t something you disagree with, let me know. Just stripping this all down to a pure logic thing.
I’m optimistic this will work.
So why argue against people trying to get a better candidate?
Because I don’t believe you are trying to get a better candidate. I believe you are trying to attack Biden so that Trump wins. Your arguments are ridiculous and nonsensical.
- You and everyone else willing to vote for Biden, will vote for any Dem.
I already answered this one. I don’t believe it is “and everyone else.” I’m only speaking for myself.
- Some people don’t want trump, but won’t vote Biden.
Yes, some people don’t want Trump but won’t vote for Biden. There are more people who won’t vote for someone they don’t know. I don’t believe the former group outnumbers the latter.
- There exist other politicians who can be the Dem nominee.
No, there are no other politicians who both can and want to be the nominee right now. None.
Conclusion: Sticking with Biden, becomes the worst chance at beating trump.
You only reach that conclusion if you want Trump to win.
Don’t worry about anything else, just look at that logic.
Can you find any flaw in it?
I cannot find any logic, so I also can’t find any flaws.
But just so you don’t keep asking:
I’m curious, though, who is your candidate?
AOC
This reveals you aren’t serious at all. Every progressive would love to see AOC in the White House, but no true progressives are delusional enough to think she shouls challenge Joe Biden for the nomination. AOC has no interest in running for President, and has zero chance of raising the money or infrastructure required to mount a legitimate campaign. You might as well have named Jon Stewart or Kermit the Frog.
But again. All we’re talking about who can beat Trump. And if that logic up there isn’t something you disagree with, let me know. Just stripping this all down to a pure logic thing.
Again, no logic, just distractions.
I’m optimistic this will work.
I don’t believe you. But if you’re serious, grow up.
Thanks for responding!
If it took two days I’m sure that means you gave it an honest try.
Well, you complained that I didn’t respond, and wrote the same comment twice, so I figured it meant a lot to you.
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The alternative is an 80-year-old moron saying he plans to kill you a little.
Fuck this OP.
I’m not American and have only brief idea of how US elections work, but… damn this gets more and more ridiculous every day. I’m not saying Trump is better or anything, that dude is batshit crazy egomaniac, but… But… you’re saying there are no other options like if there was only one available candidate from the whole blue party? Or is it impossible (or too late) to switch candidate now? I’m confused.
Biden can resign and hand it over to anyone else. He’s decided he wants to stay in the race even though he clearly has some neurological issues.
Is it him who has to hand it over? Or is it possible for blue party to say “Hey, Joe, enough is enough” and substitute him for “health reasons”?
Both can happen. The party loyalists didn’t want to go against him for their own political careers. The GOP and Dems will push you out if you go against them.
