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I mean, yeah.
I honestly wonder what I’d do if a non-maga candidate replaced trump. Not vote for them, but I might vote for a third party at that point. Unless something changes, it wouldn’t much matter; my voter registration is in a place that is very comfortably red so I’m not going to be able to change that.
You can still affect local elections, which arguably will have a greater impact on your day to day life anyway.
I vote for whom I want in the primaries and yeah for the locals as well
I vote for whom I want in the primaries
Boomer Democrat voters in the 2020 primaries: That’s cute you think you have a voice. We’ve already chosen a geriatric establishment white man.
I live in a similar red area and democrats need to come back here for the local change to happen. More than half of local seats only have a Republican option. There are almost as many Libertarians running as democrats. The democrats gave up on way too many rural areas.
Trump isn’t much different than any generic Republican. Bush was far worse than him.
LMFAO. Bush was terrible. Convicted Felon and Sex Offender Treason Trump has been rated the worst president in history by historians. Biden was ranked the 14th best BTW
https://www.axios.com/2024/02/19/presidents-survey-trump-ranks-last-biden-14th
Damn Trump didn’t lie about WMD’s in Iraq killing >1 million people but he’s a convicted sex offender! That’s so much worse!
Treason Trump supports War Criminal Putin whose killed many millions in Ukraine. Bush was terrible too but historians rank Convicted Felon and Rapist Treason Trump as the absolute worst for his neofascist attacks on democracy and the rule of law and Treason Trump will still be ranked dead last 50 years from now and 100 years from now.
How sad is it when being a certified rapist is not even Treason Trump’s worst crime?
Didn’t you say you were never going to post here again after accusing the mods of being Zionist genocide supporters?
Just curious.
Remind me again why Ozma was banned from here
So, did you set a specific date for when you’re going to leave this community like you said you would? Because I know if I thought the mods were…. “Genocide supporting zionists”, I wouldn’t feel comfortable supporting their community with content for any longer than I had to.
A community that only gets to see one view of the world is the one that most needs factual correction.
Why does reddit r/conservative ban anyone that opposes their viewpoints? They want to keep the echo chamber going.
So you lied. interesting that lies should come from someone that’s banned for misinformation so often.
Who’d have thought it could happen.
Where was the lie?
As opposed to last time, when I voted for Biden to stop trump
Or the time before that, when I voted for Clinton to stop trump.
Or the time before that, when I voted for Kerry to stop Bush.
there hasn’t been an election where it wasn’t choosing the least bad person.
Obama’s first go around felt pretty legit.
I think as candidates Clinton, W. Bush, Gore, Obama, McCain had sincere support overshadowing the need to stop some particular bad person instead. As misguided as I think it is, Trump voters also are all about Trump less than stopping Biden. I can’t personally remember a race where “the other side must be stopped” as pretty much the sole consideration among the voters until the Trump era.
Yes, third party candidates are dismissed in a self fulfilling prophecy, but also that reality drives most reasonable would-be third party candidates to one of the viable parties, generally leaving third party candidates that wouldn’t be that popular anyway.
I think as candidates Clinton, W. Bush, Gore, Obama, McCain had sincere support
Joe Biden was better and more progressive than literally every one of those guys. It’s not Biden’s fault that you haven’t been paying much attention.
I can’t personally remember a race where “the other side must be stopped” as pretty much the sole consideration among the voters until the Trump era.
I can’t personally remember a president who has achieved more progress than Joe Biden, and I can remember every president starting with Nixon.
Note I didn’t claim the were progressive or that Biden did nothing, I’m saying voter sentiment is basically “not trump” rather than “for Biden”. I’ll accept that Kerry was in a similar position of being the “not W” candidate, but other than that I can’t think of a candidate whose popular support was so much more about “the other guy” than the candidate themselves.
WTF? Dude it is not Bidens fault that Convicted Felon and Sex Offender Treason Trump has been ranked as the worst president in history by historians. That means there are lots of “Biden Republicans”. But Dems would be voting for Biden over any Republicrat.
As long as you don’t see Palestinians/Arabs as people, I agree.
I can’t personally remember a race where “the other side must be stopped” as pretty much the sole consideration among the voters until the Trump era.
The Kerry '04 campaign might as well have been “Anyone But Bush”, and it went down in flames as a result. Every time Kerry was pressed on any kind of progressive-ish sounding issue, he ran to the right for fear of spooking the moderate centrist voter. Every time Bush was pressed on his conservative bona fides, he just pointed to 9/11 and said “I kept us safe” and the news media ate that shit up.
In the end, you had the Strong MAGA Security candidate in Bush and the flaky swish liberal candidate in Kerry. Kerry lost by 3M votes and 35 ECs, dwarfing the Bush/Gore defeat. Then he slunk back to the Senate and triangulated votes with John McCain for the next eight years.
I was genuinely excited for Obama. I strongly supported him during the primary, was thrilled he won, and was very hopeful when he was elected.
Quickly disappointed not long after, but at least when he was first being elected it was definitely a “I really like this candidate and am hopeful they’ll live up to their promises.”
this is every election since ive been old enough to vote in them
Thanks Democrats. Hopefully you risking everything to stroke this dudes ego doesn’t give the Republicans control forever. Exact same shit as 2016. I have no choice but to vote for Biden. I wonder whom the democratic party will pick next, probably Mayor Pete, and it’ll then be another vote for Pete to save democracy.
“A majority of voters backing Biden are mostly motivated by the greatest threat America and the western world has ever faced.”
Goddamn right…I’m got down with the dumbass ship in Florida but I’m cancelling out one vote for the end of America…
As far as I’m concerned we only have one legitimate party at the moment and that’s the one I’m going to vote for.
But, even though Biden isn’t nearly as progressive as I’d like, he still beats the brakes off of any other democratic president we’ve had so I wouldn’t say he’s doing a bad job per se.
If he were running against a “rational” Republican I’d still vote for him, so I wouldn’t say I’m motivated solely by my hatred for Trump.Biden, DNC, establishment Democrats and Boomer Democrat voters: Okay guys we need to figure out who to elevate in the 2028 Republican primaries who’s just as vile as Trump so those uppity leftists will have to keep voting for our pro-corporate asses.
Learn about the electoral college. We’re literally forced into this 2 party choice.
Learn about the electoral college. We’re literally forced into this 2 party choice.
And nobody alive today created this. We all inherited it, just like you. It’s just the reality and if you don’t recognize that you are condemning yourself to be a lifetime loser.
Yes which Boomer Democrats exploit in the primaries.
So why can’t leftists organize and overpower the boomer dems in the primary?
Because decades of being marginalized by Boomers have left generations after them trained to think their participation has no effect. Which is precisely the intention. You’re happy it works right up until the point where we don’t vote for your geriatric genocide supporting procorporate trash of a human being in the general election.
Because decades of being marginalized by Boomers have left generations after them trained to think their participation has no effect
That’s on you and nobody else. It’s incredibly stupid for people to think your participation has no effect. Dems typically beg people to participate in every primary and election and the GOP typically hopes few people participate.
What a pathetic deflection away from the fact that Democrat boomers are still boomers and vote like the selfish pieces of shit they are.
Yeah, I’m quite upset you would abstain and let a fascist walk in, sure. That is fair.
But you’re deliberately avoiding the question. If leftists are so numerous and their views so popular, WHY CAN THEY NOT OVERPOWER THE BOOMER DEMS?
Face it- you do the same shit everyone else does. You cry and whine because you didn’t get your way and you stop all effort. You didn’t get every damn thing you wanted (besides student loans forgiven, medicare insulin capped, biggest climate bill ever, a president walking in a picket line, etc.) so it’s time to give up? It’s time to abstain because of genocide knowing the other actual choice would be FAR WORSE for Palestine (let alone everything else)? But hey, at least go go gadget would get to be all haughty and on their high horse saying “my conscience is clear” while everything gets worse.
Maybe be in it for the long haul and be the change you want to see. Again- if leftists are so numerous they should have no problem pulling AOCs all over the place and changing the landscape dramatically. The right can do it so why can’t the left?
Again, I’m not upset you have morals and want to end the genocide in Palestine, etc. I do too. I want better healthcare (either nationalized, single payer, some universal with public/private a la Germany, etc.), I want better social safety nets, guaranteed parental leave, etc. I think a lot do.
I’m upset that people like you bitch and moan all the goddamn time and act as if you’re so marginalized and so victimized that you not only abstain yourself but convince others to do the same, or don’t vote in primaries, or don’t volunteer, etc.
You need to face up to the facts- either leftist/progressive voters are NOT as numerous as you all think and you get represented precisely how much you should be given how big the tent has to be in a FPTP system or leftist/progressive voters are numerous and are simply extremely apathetic where they can’t be bothered to turn out for someone that isn’t basically their knight in shining armor. In which case, again, they get represented EXACTLY how much they should because they are lazy and flakey and not worth anyone’s time courting.
I don’t want to beat people down but I’m tired of people acting as if there is a huge groundswell of support. Study after study and election after election show that the issue is exactly as I described in the previous paragraph. Either show up and be counted or continue to whine when things don’t go your way.
Maybe be in it for the long haul and be the change you want to see. Again- if leftists are so numerous they should have no problem pulling AOCs all over the place and changing the landscape dramatically. The right can do it so why can’t the left?
Because America isn’t a progressive country, progressive ideas are not popular, and outside of the Internet most Americans are perfectly happy with the heinous and stupid bullshit their government does as long as the news is full of SLAMS and DEMOLISHING opponents
And I say that as a progressive who’s shown up and been counted in every election for the last 24 years.
Make up your mind. If you didn’t need us to win the 2020 general election you don’t need us in 2024.
besides student loans forgiven
Student loan forgiveness was rejected by the supreme court. All the loan forgiveness you’re seeing is the result of the PSLF program signed by G.W. Bush in 2007. Are you trying to give Biden credit for something Bush did?
medicare insulin capped
Boomers got what they wanted. Yay.
biggest climate bill ever
Sure. This isn’t nothing. However you should compare what’s in the IRA compared to what was in the BBB. The BBB is what Biden and Bernie worked on together. The BBB did not pass. This was a very disappointing outcome.
a president walking in a picket line
Fucking bread crumbs. Biden blocked the rail strike. The rail workers were fighting for 15 sick days. Some have 7. Most have less than that. Some sound byte by an IBEW administrative worker doesn’t change that. Our votes are worth more than that.
You don’t get to define what is “everything we wanted”. Biden does not deserve our votes. Our votes are worth more than what he’s done. If you don’t like it find someone else to vote for your procorporate trash candidate.
Thank you for saying this.
Team Red put in serious effort to drag this country hard right. They can taste victory in the air and have YUGE plans for remaking this country into the Authoritarian Right-Wing Dictatorship they’ve been craving since Bush’s years. Fuck 50 years of Republican rule. They want a Permanent Republican Majority (for at LEAST 20 years), and they’ll tear down Democracy (because that has to have something to do with Democrats, am I right) to get it.
If the Right functioned like the Left did, the Republicans would be locked out of the political system at the first hint of adversity. But they didn’t, because the Right-Wing Shitheads’ answer to RINOs was to organise and work to push them out of office in favour of hard-right ideologues. Vote for the Conservative in the Primary and the Republican in the General. That’s their motto.
Right-Wing Shitheads win when people like go_go_gadget convince our voters they should sit home because they didn’t get exactly what they want. It’s all hands on deck to stop a naked Fascist takeover of the country, and we need to be calling the idiots on our side out whenever they push these memes that the best answer to feckless politicians on our side is to take your ball and go home.
To all of you saying stay home or vote third party, this is exactly how the country keeps shifting Right.
If leftists are so numerous and their views so popular
they never made such a claim. in fact, all the evidence is that dems don’t care if leftists vote at all.
Okay guys we need to figure out who to elevate in the 2028 Republican primaries
Not a single Dem has that power nor would have wished a GOP candidate as bad for America as Convicted Felon and Sex Offender Treason Trump.
who’s just as vile as Trump
I’m not expecting anyone as vile as Convicted Felon and Sex Offender Treason Trump although the GOP does have a knack for continually disappointing America with their bad candidates.
will have to keep voting for our pro-corporate asses.
Corporations must be super mad at “pro-corporate” Joe Biden for raising the minimum corporate tax rate from 0% to 15% even though tax rates are the single thing that matter above all else.
so those uppity leftists
The indispensible prerequisite for moving the Overton window to the left is for the GOP to lose elections. And leftist who doesn’t understand that will automatically transform themselves into a perpetual Loser.
Not a single Dem has that power nor would have wished a GOP candidate as bad for America as Convicted Felon and Sex Offender Treason Trump.
Factually false.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428/
Factually true.
Regardless about what some random idiot reporter said 8 years ago, (1) no Dem has any powers to select a GOP nominee and (2) Dems aren’t responsible for how terrible the RNC’s nominees are .
Factually true.
Show me your evidence then.
Just did.
I’m okay with that.
Anything but trump. Next term I do expect Biden to really kick around hard as hell gave nothing to lose, kick Israeli govt to the curb, kick the right-wing extremist religious out of the government, that sort of thing
Biden has done so much fucking shit for the average american (which is saying something thanks to the Do Nothing fascists)
First US president to join the union workers ON THE PICKET LINE In many ways we have handled this world-wide inflation shit better than any other in the G7 nations Unemployment numbers are at record lows, .01 lower than any other time in the past 10 years at one point in january and april of last year and since then has only risen around 0.3-4 points, removed healthcare related debt from credit scores
I could go on and on, but instead, others have already done so for me (and these aren’t even super recent):
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2024-opinion-biden-accomplishment-data/
Biden is fucking awesome. The more progressive president since LBJ if not FDR.
Him joining a picket line for a photo op is kinda cancelled out by him signing that bill that blocked the rail workers from striking.
Cancelled out? I remember when I was 14 and everything seemed simple.
No kidding? Lol
Biden is not my favorite, but it’s that or fascism.
Not me. I’m motivated on making sure myself and all my loved ones get to continue to vote. Stopping Trump and voting for Biden just so happen to line up for that.
Exactly. “Voting for Biden just to stop trump” is a pretty meaningless statement.
Only the best current reason. When frump is out of the picture for good we can focus on other things
Also it is no reflection at all on Biden that he happens to be running against the person whom historians have ranked as the worst president in American history. Biden is ranks as 14th best president out of 46.
https://www.axios.com/2024/02/19/presidents-survey-trump-ranks-last-biden-14th
You think it will be any better then?
Cant say. Nobody can read the future for good or bad. I just prefer to be optimistic rather than not. All i can say is that the current choices are all there is and, as always, the lesser of two evils is what we have to work with
I wish I believed that. There will always be some new threat. There will always be some dire threat keeping us voting for second worst instead of ever expecting better.
Biden is not 2nd worst. Out of the 4-5 candidates running Biden is by far the best.
His pro-genocide cult is fond of saying that there are only two choices when they’re browbeating anyone who is upset with him for any reason.
But no. He’s still second worst. And his recent adoption of Trump’s immigration policies has narrowed the gap.
You support a regressive Libertarian candidate over the most progressive candidate since FDR. Got it.
I do not. I’m voting for Biden. But as Biden’s pro-genocide cult is so delighted to gloat, a vote for any other option is a vote for Trump. Since all other candidates are functionally Trump, Biden is second worst. And he’s moving to the right on immigration to be more like Trump.
But hey, go ahead and make assumptions based on things you prefer to think instead of what I’ve actually written.
the most progressive candidate since FDR
This is horseshit. No one buys it.
the most progressive candidate since FDR
by what standard?!
dude literally voted against gay marriage; gays in the military; permanent student loans; advocated against gays in federal service; racial integration; sexual harassment claims; blocked access to non-american social media platform; and blocked americans from affordable electric vehicles.
was it the one law that passed decades after it was no longer an issue and, not only did nothing, but gave bigots legal protection for their bigotry?
You know what my main problem with Joe Biden is? I’m 37, he’s what? 79? I’ve been a citizen of the United States longer than he has. He’s spent the last three generations in either congress or the white house, and the people who do that don’t live in the same reality as the rest of us. Too many of the laws outright don’t apply to them, either because there are literal exceptions or “we don’t enforce that on them.” Joe Biden doesn’t know the first fucking thing about being an American because he hasn’t ever actually done it.
Joe Biden doesn’t know the first fucking thing about being an American because he hasn’t ever actually done it.
His family struggled a lot when he grew up in a blue collar town, moved so his dad could find steady work, but still were definitely middle class. Then he worked his way through college and law school.
We can say his decades in Congress and the presidency have corrupted him, but the idea that he hasn’t ever actually been “a real American” (the way you are using it) is an outright lie.
You know who hasn’t? The billionaire who was born with a silver spoon in their mouth, schooled with other wealthy people in NYC, then was gifted a huge amount of to start, and then spent their entire career screwing the blue collar worker to line his own pockets.
If Biden has never been a “real American,” then how do we describe Trump’s lack of real Americaness?
lmao his family “suffered” because his father was a fraudster that tried to get rich on scamming the US government during the war. The stories about his blue-collar roots are as real as Kim Jong Un inventing pizza.
And I’m going to listen to your baseless accusation and ignore Bernie Sander’s crystal clarity? lmfao.
Bernie Sanders: Trump is the most corrupt president in our lifetimes
Holy shit the propaganda is real.
“You think Hitler’s bad, what do you call Satan?!?! Checkmate!”
Yes, that was clearly my argument. Good reading comprehension there and not some mindless kneejerk “muh both sides” response.
You know what my main problem with Joe Biden is?
He’s not Putin’s choice? He gave billionaires a tax increase instead of tax cut?
Joe Biden doesn’t know the first fucking thing about being an American because he hasn’t ever actually done it.
You mean despite being the only US Senator who rode the bus to work every day?
Joe Biden knows way more about being an American than you seem to.
[Remarks by President Biden on Democracy and Freedom | Normandy, France]
Too many of the laws outright don’t apply to them
Which specific law does not apply to Joe Biden? You simply made that up. His son was just found guilty on a charge that almost no other person in America would even be charged with.
