This stupid topic again
But sure
@mozz Well right, people who want to win want to get rid of both of these flawed candidates.
Harris has done so little I had to think for a second to remember what her name was. Other VP have really gotten coverage, like Pence or Gore. But Harris has really stayed mostly on the sidelines.
I’m interested in botany too, but will eagerly vote for a Harris-(anyone) ticket over a Trump-Vance ticket. But for real I want to learn how to keep orchids alive.
Democrats to Harris:
@mozz Everybody needs to stop untitling the Vice President. It does not help move us toward a society that doesn’t discriminate in hiring for senior positions if we keep talking about women (especially if they’re women of color) as if they’re children while simultaneously referring to male peers by last names and/or titles.
I use it just because it’s more distinctive than her last name and “Harris” takes a second to figure out, for me. I do the same with “Bernie”. It’s not a gender thing, it’s just an informal internet speech thing. Calling someone by only their last name is usually worse than calling them by their first name, and far worse than the titled version, in terms of respect engendered, but I say “Biden” and “Trump” all the time.
Idk, you might have a point + maybe it’s something I should not be doing. There’s probably some subtle level of shade that exists with it even if it’s not intended. Maybe “Harris” is the equivalent? I feel weird typing “Kamala Harris” every time, let alone using her title like some kind of press release.
@mozz I don’t think everyone intends for it to be sexist at all, it’s just that it takes places within a context in which female professors and medical doctors frequently report being on conference panels or introduced at meetings and have someone doing the introductions talk about, ‘Dr. This, Dr. That [both male], and Amy.’ It’s just one of many subtle ways women’s professional expertise and authority are quietly diminished.
No doubt; sounds like it sucks. But please don’t blame me for misogyny that they are doing.
If you give me something to call her, equivalent to “Biden” or “Trump” or “Bernie” or things that I say about men in politics that I am talking about, I’m probably happy to start calling her that way.
@mozz I’m not blaming you, I’m just saying that having a potential presidential nominee who is most frequently referred to by the public at large by a first name only is unusual and sets her apart from previous (male) nominees in ways which may unwittingly add to some voters’ already present feeling that perhaps she’s not really serious or experienced enough because she’s a woman.
Sure. What should I call her?
Ugh, id probably vote for kamala for being younger. But shes got a very low approval rating and has a lot of the same baggage Biden has, over the gaza situation and the border.
I just thought of a pretty optimistic angle though, if Biden drops out and a new candidate runs, its their first term. With someone younger winning gives them a better chance at using whats supposed to be a huge incumbency advantage for 8 more years of dems controlling the whitehouse at least.
As damning as it is to the US, the best bet for winning is a good-looking, smooth-talking white guy who will look presidential when compared with Trump.
Gavin Newsom you say?
You know, I’m not picky. My primary requirement is must be able to win.
Under conventional rules he has the best fighting chance.
the best bet for winning is a good-looking, smooth-talking white guy
Oh no, they’re trying to run Beto O’Rourke again, aren’t they? Dude’s going to come out on a skateboard playing the guitar and lose by double digits.
It would be very in character for the democratic party to disarm the population right before the Republicans force through their fascist plans.
Jon Stewart. He adamantly opposes the suggestion he run, which is exactly what we need. He’s got decades of experience in global politics, he’s likeable, got name recognition. And to your suggestion he’s a smooth talking attractive white man
He’s got decades of experience in global politics
It’s hilarious that people genuinely believe this.
He made the right call on a whole bunch of foreign policy issues that the Very Experienced Professionals were assuring us they had a handle on. Just because he doesn’t have the relevant real skills, doesn’t mean the establishment candidates have any of it, either.
He made the right call on a whole bunch of foreign policy issues
You’re confusing setting actual foreign policy with heckling from the sidelines. Stewart wasn’t overseeing any US Departments or writing big policy whitepapers adopted by either of the parties. He was spitting jokes from a news desk in a 30 minute segment four days a week.
Just because he doesn’t have the relevant real skills, doesn’t mean the establishment candidates have any of it, either.
Whatever you might say about Biden’s policies (re: bellicose, economically ruinous, genocidal), he definitely has the skills to implement them. That’s a big part of the problem. If he was properly incompetent, a bunch of these nightmare programs wouldn’t be put into effect.
Have you noticed a worrying shake to his movements ever since he started back with the daily show?
Dunno about him, but I did. I hope he’s okay, he’s a national treasure.
A little bit of Palsy would help him fit right in with the octogenarian candidates
Being a comedian/activist is different than running a country, John Stewart has power outside the government and would be broken inside.
Ask anyone that wants to remove people off the ticket: Who should they be replaced with?
I haven’t heard a good answer yet.
Kelly, Duckworth, Whitmer, Newsom, Buttigieg, Warren, Franken.
I would legit take time off and drive to a battleground to campaign for Franken…
Whitehouse would be solid as well. AOC would also be a fine pick if we got party unity behind her.
AOC would be a better VP pick than top of the ticket. Let her ascend later when she is more experienced.
AOC could unify the party behind her, but she’d need to do it with a primary. The Biden delegates and/or the party establishment aren’t going to make a wild swing-for-the-fences play like that with an appointment.
I don’t disagree. I think she’d be an excellent choice and absolutely trounce Trump but it’d be a hard fucking sell to the DNC.
She’s got more name recognition than Harris though so the “Harris is the only one voters would recognize” bunch can get fucked.
AOC would also be a fine pick if we got party unity behind her.
Centrists would vote for Trump.
I think you misspelled conservatives - nobody sane would vote for Trump.
Right. Like I said. Centrists.
You legitimately think the Democratic party will get behind any of these nominations enough to defeat Trump? I’d say most are considered more controversial than fuckin Hillary was.
I legitimately think that this was what you intended to reply with regardless of what I said, and I very much doubt you actually bothered to read it.
Seriously. This is a pretty mild list of semi-proven politicians with national recognition. Warren (or maybe Franken) are the only ones I can see being potentially controversial and even they’re both still broadly liked within the party.
Also, how does someone who’s not familiar with Kelly or Duckworth have a strong opinion about who’s controversial in the Democratic party? They’re not superstars, but you weren’t exactly digging up no-names.
It is extremely notable to me that the “get rid of Biden” is so HUGELY emphasized over “let’s figure out who instead”
It makes me look suspiciously at what would initially be the pretty sensible idea of subbing in someone younger
That continues to be a piss poor rebuttal because the two questions are separate. Many people literally don’t care. And anyone who thinks this is some sort of ratfucking is either detached from reality or doesn’t actually know that many Democrats. The calls to step down (and frankly depression) have been coming from across the party right from the night of the debate. The gaslighting is just the worst possible response to an already bad situation.
You look suspiciously at anything but blind unthinking worship of Biden.
If you’re gonna call me a bot, come out and say it instead of hiding behind vague language like a coward.
No one is calling you a bot.
We’re calling you a right wing agitator.
until he’s gone, every other name is moot.
Incorrect, I actually looked up both Kelly’s and Duckworth’s backgrounds as I wasn’t familiar - I see why they were first!
Harris/AOC. I’m not stoked that Harris is a cop, but she is a centrist and that’s what the owners want. AOC as the VP pick to actually motivate real people to vote, and to give her experience to run for President in the future.
And, ideally, every bigot’s head would explode simultaneously upon electing two women of color into the highest offices in the land.
Your ears must be full of wax.
Does anyone like Kamala lol
There’s a gaggle of coconut memes of her on tiktok, so I guess some people do.
First Past The Post voting ensures that a good portion of the people voting for her do not want her. Same for Joe biden. Same for the Republican and democratic parties.
first past the post isn’t responsible for that. it’s a tactic called “strategic voting” and it results in the consolidation of parties under fptp. the solution is not to vote for people you don’t want to win.
Gold medal in mental gymnastics there.
it’s a clear-eyed understanding of what to do about party consolidation under fptp.
First past the post isn’t responsible for that. It’s actually because of first past the post.
- you
this is a straw man.
That’s not what that means.
Maybe if she did something, we could have something to like about her
Just because you’re not paying attention, doesn’t mean something didn’t happen.
Besides: post-9/11, the veeps stay in the shadows or at the off-site bunker.
Given her track record, no, probably best she doesn’t do anything
VPs have no job except to succeed the president and break ties in the Senate, along with presiding for a few ritualistic things. That’s really it. What do expect want her to do?
VPs have no job except to succeed the president and break ties in the Senate
sinister Cheney chortling
Give speeches? Get people excited about voting, civil rights, etc
She does those all the time. You aren’t paying attention.
Where?
The media refuses to cover Democrats, to be fair
So you want a cheerleader like Ballmer. “Developers! Developers! Developers!”
She owned a couple initiatives, chaired a couple committees, cast a few votes. Surely, something there could have turned into a success. Heck, she could campaign for the ticket, present the platform, cheerlead for her running mate.
Cop Kamela is not very popular.
She’s popular with her step kids, who call her Momala.
Liberals: “Stop saying Defund the Police! You’re making us look bad!”
Also Liberals: “You can’t run an AG for President. They’re going to be way too unpopular to win, given how much people hate the police.”
Honestly, the idea that they might be self aware enough to recognize that running a cop is a losing idea would be an amazing feat for them. I think it’s more likely we’re dealing with racism here. And yes, many of the the Dems are pretty racist, they just don’t realize it or admit it like the Republicans.
So…. Basically, democrats can’t run ANYONE that would make you happy.
They can’t run anyone who will make the oligarchy happy. Edit: if they want to win
If they take Biden off the ticket they’re gonna put a corporate puppet in power. Fuck, I wonder if they’re trying to get Trump elected on purpose.
Kamala is as popular as wet toilet paper. Nobody likes her. Every time she speaks in public, her ratings go down.
I’d prefer Buttigieg simply because he is such an effective communicator. Other than that I’d prefer someone much more leftist than him.
I mean nobody really wants Kamala but it sounds like that may be the best path. It’s one thing to have the president step down for health reasons, but it’s another to unilaterally replace the candidate after the primary as a response to bad polling.
If the second case happens you’ll see a bunch of pushback from democrats who don’t like the pick, donors who backed Biden, and virtually every Republican trying to portray the democrats in a negative light. That’s just the PR angle ignoring that there will also be legal questions around using Bidens donation money and getting a different candidate on the ballot in all 50 states.
She’s not wrong.
Exactly. Like yeah girl spit your facts, but we will take what we can get and the age and health resilience are legitimate concerns we’ve been having. Kamala solves the age issue, that’s progress to me. I don’t want the president to be a puppet of someone who no one voted for.
Isn’t that all presidents, like, by definition? XD
If you want to make a spectrum of it sure, but the fact remains the more cognative function declines, the easier it is for bad actors to take advantage of them. Scammers target old people for the same reason, they’re more vulnerable.
I mean, like, structurally. The office of the president is not one that a person can occupy without becoming beholden to lobbyists.
I think lobbyists don’t pose all that much of a challenge. Americans are just used to corruption being ingrained in the political regime, but that’s due to the moral failings of so many of your elected officials.
It is, however, a lot of power in one chair - in the end of the day you need to trust your advisers and cabinet. If you lack experience in the job even more so. And if they are not competent and aligned with your interests, they might fall for lobbyism more easily.
Thats more a function of the economic system that creates people who have enough money to do that than the office itself. Regardless the above point still stands, it’s still easier to trick and take advantage of older people suffering mental decline.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
New York Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez went on Instagram Live early on Friday morning to share her thoughts on Joe Biden’s floundering re-election campaign - and warning that many of those who want the President to drop out of the race, also want Vice President Kamala Harris off the ticket too.
“If you think that there is consensus among the people who want Joe Biden to leave … that they will support, Vice President Harris, you would be mistaken,” she told viewers.
She slammed her colleagues for giving anonymous quotes to the press, calling it “bull****” and urged those resigned to a loss to Donald Trump to give up their seats.
This comes amid mounting pressure on Biden to leave the race.
While he remains publicly committed to staying in the race, Axios reports that in private, the president has resigned himself to increasing calls from lawmakers for him to drop out amid bad polling and mounting scrutiny of his age and mental acuity.
“I’m here to tell you that a huge amount of the donor class and a huge amount of these elites and a huge amount of these folks in these rooms that I see that are pushing for President Biden to not be the nominee also are not interested in seeing the Vice President being the nominee,” she added.
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