It’s been difficult to broach the subject and explain the technical concepts to the average person. I did have some success in first sharing the email comparison, which lead into interoperability.
I’m just curious to hear people’s success stories, if you have any.
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I dont. Its honestly not great. I’d rather that effort went to preserving and repairing the existing tools of the free and open web – the old protocols are extensible. Imagine if we had an RSS client with a “reblog” feature!
“Federation” adds overhead and honestly creates as many problems as it solves. It’s not a selling point, its a price tag.
Subtly, not by pushing it on them directly. Instead, I share links to topics that might interest them. Show people the value.
I ask if they’ve heard of mastodon because most people with any ties to the internet have. Then I say there’s a new wave of platforms that are all federated, kinda like how like someone could send an email from a user @aol.clm to a user @msn.com or whatever, which means there’s no real way to centralize the platforms.
I know mastodon is very popular and I’ve browsed around a few times, but i don’t really get it. It’s person following instead of topic following, right? I had a Twitter account, but i only followed local bars, music venues, etc. to see upcoming events and happy hours deals. I can’t think of a person i would want to follow.
For Twitter-alikes (Mastodon, Misskey, etc.) you probably want to be following hashtags instead of people, though that’s not really what the UI will initially drive you towards. That’ll let you follow topics and interests, with the option of also following people you find interesting from the hashtags you’re following.
I usually wait till they complain about something related to one of the big corporate platforms, then throw out a “you know, the fediverse has an ‘X’ now, come join us!” Just replace X with reddit/tumbler/youtube/etc, whatever platform they were complaining about.
Alternatively, I’ll share fediverse links in the process of showing memes to people.
That seems like a good strategy. I should get into more meme communities.
I don’t. When people say, “Do you use r/?” I reply with, “I left it during the blackout.” That usually ends it.
Why not tell them about Lemmy (or other alternatives) instead?
Most of my friends are fully entrenched in mainstream social media and i don’t think there’s much interest in doing something different. I have a couple of friends and family members who i think are probably here, but we don’t talk about it.
i don’t think there’s much interest in doing something different
See that’s the part that I don’t really get though. Why is it so difficult to break free? People always want to complain but never want to be part of the solution.
Interesting that you don’t talk about it. Is that just because you prefer to keep your identity here separate from real life, or some other reason(s)?
Most people i know don’t complain a lot about the other places. When i bring up the constant marketing and such, they mostly don’t care. When interacting with people you know on social media there’s an expectation that you follow them, post/respond appropriately, etc. It’s tiring. I would use a different account.
I have a couple of friends and family members who i think are probably here, but we don’t talk about it.
This. Same as it was on reddit back then too.
It really annoys me how often I see major media others citing reddit these days. It seems it really ramped up after the IPO. It’s never anything good either. They’re just either outsourcing basic journalism or complaining that reddit is too negative.
complaining that reddit is too negative.
Isn’t that a good thing?
I’d rather people not engage with it at all.
TIFU by sex pooping my virgin boyfriend’s dog cum fart shit at a wedding also AITA
edit: crotchspawn
I just showed one of my friends the memes on it and they said tell me what this platform is
Nice, you won one.
Will you share your name with them? Did you communicate with irl people on the other place?
I’m not sure exactly what you meant here, but I probably wouldn’t tell most people who I am on here. That’s not to say I wouldn’t share in other places, it probably just depends on the platform really.
Hahaha there’s NO CHANCE I’d tell my friends I’m Rai here even if they already know I’ve got a grand in bad dragon dildos that I certainly don’t talk about here
@technomad I’ve been keeping a lot of my friends aware of what’s going on in the fediverse (especially around Threads, which they’re more aware of) through a discord channel I run on our server that’s dedicated to what’s going on in the world of tech
Conceptually I prefer using the email analogy for how it actually works since that’s pretty close
Gatekeeping the fediverse isn’t good for it, get people to join up, you have control over what you see
That’s cool that you run a server for your friends.
I’m definitely trying not to be a gatekeeper! Just need to keep trying I suppose, but not be too pushy.
I don’t, sites like this are they best when their a hidden corner of the internet
“Cool place, like a bunch of connected forums, but avoid the .ml instances and Hexbear”
I just share posts/comments that others find useful
Do you have anything specific, or do you just mean in general?
I would say mostly general, and it also depends on context and relevance
- like I’d send FFXIV memes to my friends who play it but not to anyone else.
For things that people aren’t familiar with but is useful to know (like PC hardware) I tend to share fedi-links as sources/citations after providing context
EX:
- [Powercolor Hellhound RX 7900 XT], [Partner Model 4070 Ti] - Value Comparison
- [ZOTAC 4080 Super], [PowerColor’s Hellhound 7900 XT] - Value Comparison
I’m a nerd
Makes sense, thanks for elaborating. Nerd!
:P
Usually as loudly as possible while wildly gesticulating and showing huge quantities of bloodshot eyeball. Seems effective so far, will continue to report in.
But have you tried frothing? Just a little at the corners of your mouth really helps get the point across.
I usually save the frothing for people who I can tell are really interested, but don’t want to join up for some absurd reason. I don’t know why they would lie about their feelings like that, but a bit of shouting and frothing in a corner really gets them agreeable fast. Great technique!
I’m going to need to see some evidence.
I generally don’t.
So far I don’t. I’m still learning the platform. So far I think what I imagined Lemmy to be ISN’T what I imagined it as. It COULD be that. It chooses not to. Not only is there a lack of organization, but also the policies of the platform basically PROHIBIT them from becoming moderated in a fair balanced way. Yes I see that modlog. It does nothing if the moderation team is also corrupt.
I’m not saying it currently is or isn’t corrupt. Thats not the issue. The issue is, a lot of people come from reddit because their automod is now banning things due to bad AI. Even if you appeal, they claim a human looks at it, but that’s not true.
Instead, I come to Lemmy, thinking that each instances mod team ONLY had control over their instance. If that mod bans you, I THOUGHT they’d only ban you from that instance. You take your account to a new instance. Their mods could then choose to accept your migration, or deny it. You find an instance where a human reviews your reason for being banned, and if you did anything wrong you’d be rejected there too. If that instance finds you did nothing wrong, they accept you.
This allows mods to keep power over their individual bubbles. Yet not have the ability to gain authoritarian control.
And yes, it ALSO means that users who do ban worthy offenses WOULDN’T be banned platform wide. And at first glance that sounds wrong. It means that yes, the far right would have a place to fester. But also every other instance would defederate from that one instance. So they would essentially be an echo chamber that the rest of lemmy would never see. It also means if you’re on an instance that is turning into a place you don’t agree with, you can migrate before that instance becomes defederated.
As it is now, this is just reddit, with more steps, and more confusing.
I really don’t agree that it’s ‘just reddit with more steps…’
This place really feels different to me, and better. I like it here. Sorry you’ve been having mod troubles. I’ve not run into problems there, so can’t really relate.
you can move your account though, there are buttons to export and import on your settings page
it won’t bring your post/comment history with you, but it will carry over your subscriptions and saved/bookmarked posts/comments
They need to make the next update allow the transfer to include EVERYTHING. Posts and comments too.
I think that may be the most important update we need.
would be cool but I don’t think the ActivityPub protocol allows that
it’s kind of outside of Lemmy’s control
personally I don’t care that much about post history or karma or whatever
That level you describe also exists – instances are self-policing their users, though it’s an admin thing, not a mod one (mods are for communities).
lemm.ee just posted some numbers for the year and after kbin.social, which seems to get many spam accounts, they’re mostly banning lemm.ee users for misbehaving. No great need to ban .world users because .world admins are keeping their own ship clean, “are your users a bother to me” is a big factor in federation politics.
OTOH not giving communities the ability to police themselves would leads to problems because the only way to deal with anything would be to choose the nuclear option: You might get heated in a discussion about your favourite comic book character and lash out, calling people names, but otherwise be perfectly reasonable, the mods temp-banning you from their community is the right approach, there, not making you switch instances, or depriving others of the furry porn you post to the same instance as the comic community is on, or whatnot.
I think you’re misunderstanding what I’m saying. I’m not saying thats mods/admins shouldn’t have the ability to ban you from their community. Temporarily or permanently.
I’m saying that, to take your example, you get into a heated debate over a comic book. And the mod or admin there bans you. Not from their community, not from their instance, but from ALL of Lemmy.
That’s what I think shouldn’t happen. I don’t think ANY admin or mod should be able to ban you from the whole platform. They can certainly ban you from their space, but not from all spaces at once.
They already can’t do that
They can’t ban you from the whole platform it just so happens if some admin wants you gone chances are your home instance admin wants you gone, too.
Alright, now if your home instance mod bans you, you can then still log in, and move your account to a different instance then, right?
I’m not exactly sure but often the whole comment history is nuked so there’s really nothing left to migrate.
Don’t talk about the high concept of federation, talk about the community that the different services offer.
The classic misstake is to oversell and miss the point that the other party is focusing on.
Don’t: “Lemmy is so awesome, it can’t be shut down, it is federated, you can even run your own instance and have total control”
What the other party hears: “Lemmy is awesome, and you have to do a lot of stuff to join.”
Do: “Hey, have you heard about Lemmy? It is a Reddit clone with a much calmer community, I have had a lot of interesting conversations over there”
This puts the focus on the community rather than the service, people join social networks for the interaction, not the tech.
I don’t tell people about the Fediverse.
The first rule of the Fediverse.
