Hello. I have never used Linux before in my life, but this post isn’t really about the software. I know there are many guides and threads out there explaining how to set up Linux for beginners.
My question is more about what computers you guys suggest for Linux. I don’t have any old computers lying around at home, I only have a computer assigned by my school that I’ll turn in next year. To my understanding, Linux should be able to work on almost all computers, so I haven’t thought about a specific brand.
My top priorities are (in order):
- good/great battery life
- quiet
- compact and lightweight
Preferably a 13" or 15" screen, though I prefer the former. Just a small machine with a great battery life that also doesn’t make much noise when several apps are open at once. I have looked at Asus before, but I’m not sure what the general consensus is of this brand, so I was hoping to get some suggestions. I’ve also looked at Framework computers, but honestly it’s a bit expensive for me. My budget is ~1000$ (10 000 SEK).
Might be unnecessary information, but: I will be using this computer mainly to write documents, make the occasional presentations, browse the web, and watch videos and movies. So no photo- or video editing nor gaming at all. Like everybody, I hope to buy a computer that will last many years and survive many student theses. Cheers and thanks!
To have one ready out of the box with linux maybe look at the System76 offerings? https://system76.com/
Edit: just got a chance to check and they are slightly above your $1000 criteria. So maybe on his recommendation.
Ummm, good luck. When I tried to use Linux on a new machine I built and had a bunch of problems, people on the forums told me to wait six months for someone to write drivers for the components.
I built an amd system with Nvidia graphics card in 2019 and it works fine. Wi-Fi Bluetooth Ethernet 144hz display etc all work fine.
LOL. Got totally down voted for simply explaining what happened. Glad it worked for you. It didn’t work for me. This was probably 10 years ago. I made a dual boot system and the internet simply wouldn’t work in Linux, so I had to keep booting into Windows, research, then switch to Linux to implement. Lather, rinse, repeat.
If Windows 11 is as bad as they say, guess I’ll be experimenting with it again.
Check out https://laptopwithlinux.com/ - new or used.
I personally love my Framework 13. Not sure if the battery life is up to your standard, but the new models are plenty enough for me.
System 76
Their laptops ain’t as good as their Desktop which are premium from what I gathered from comments
Look at frame.work they have good documentation about various Linux distros on their machines
I have, unfortunately they’re too expensive for me.
They’re within the $1k spec you mentioned? Not to mention future cost savings in repairability and upgradability.
Their firmware updates are pretty late and they ditched coreboot.
But I guess the hardware is awesome. Keep in mind that these thunderbolt adapters suck quite some battery, so having a laptop simply with the ports you need uses up less battery. Also, the modularity may not be needed and causes it to be less stiff.
They ditched Coreboot?
They gave some coreboot devs laptops but didnt invest anything apart from that, afaik. The result was not working well enough, so they use insyde (which has pretty cool features but also past security vulnerabilities and it is backdoored by Intel & the NSA)
Like, UEFI being backdoored by the NSA is not a conspiracy. “Persistence” in “end user device data retrieval” was one big goal. Persistence means than an OS reinstall, Secureboot, boot integrity, QubesOS disposable Cubes etc. will all not protect you, as that shit is in the firmware!
No security or privacy without coreboot. Google knows that and has all their servers on coreboot and also all Chromebooks. Android is ARM so that is different but also WORLDS more secure than any secureboot garbage.
It looks like work is still being done on Coreboot for the Framework. They got it running on the AMD version. It’s not ready for use yet, but at least there is some progress.
Tldr Amd & amd
Get a Librebooted Thinkpad T440p or similar and then upgrade it (SSD, 16gb ram, etc).
Or a normal booted ThinkPad if you don’t really care about that (I personally don’t) it will be able to run Linux regardless.
Yeah but if a laptop is old enough to support Libreboot that means it was released before Lenovo messed it up
How did they mess up?
Also isn’t a laptop from 2014 (?) kinda pushing it when it comes to laptops?
I can’t be much more expensive to get a laptop that’s much better in pretty much every way.
Unrelated but I really wish modern ThinkPads had a think light.
I’m pretty sure the T440p is the newest one and it’s 2013. They messed up in the sense that modern Thinkpads are starting to solder components and overall the build quality is worse.
Maybe the build quality is a bit worse but it’s not bad. My x280 is doing great and I would absolutely not replace it with an older machine (even if that machine had a think light)
And I much rather have soldered components from 2018 (or something) than non soldered from a decade ago
But sure, there is nothing wrong with running old machines yourself. I just wouldn’t recommend it to people that ask for a laptop unless they specifically request it.
Repairability and upgradability are incredibly important factors, when my computer breaks why should I need to buy a new one? Heck why should it break at all, old computers were built to last.
I agree. I have even replaced the screen on my x280 to a IPS screen (because the old one was a crap TN screen) and the storage.
I wish newer machines were more repairable and I would buy a framework if I could afford it and if they had more ports. Fortunately most machines don’t break that often and very rarely is it in a part that couldn’t be replaced by a skilled technician (excluding some shitty products like Apple computers). Most business tier laptops like Lenovo ThinkPads and Dell Latitudes (5xxx and 7xxxx series at least) are fairly repairable and durable.
Upgradability is also great but doesn’t make a lot of sense to worry about when the machine is a decade old and still crap performance wise even if you gave it a few more GBs of RAM. You can’t really upgrade anything beyond storage and ram in any laptops unfortunately.
I wouldn’t consider a decade old computer no matter how repairable, durable, or how upgradable it is unless I worked exclusively in a TTY or some shit and I believe most feel the same way.
You do you, but I still don’t think it’s a good suggestion for someone that just needs a computer. Especially when they want good battery life and compactness. Neither of which computers that old are good at.
I will say that a second-hand ThinkPad is a great option. They can be real cheap, but you can also get a pretty decent new one for your budget.
You can likely find great T480-T495 that fits your needs really well.
Agreed, I love mine.
I HIGHLY recommend against the T495. That thing has a great keyboard, fingerprint sensor, okay camera and mics, okay ports. But it is underpowered af, and Thinkpads always have the Thinkpad price.
It has a great chassis, but my coreboot Clevo NV41 has double the performance and kinda same battery life.
I disagree with it being underpowered for regular office use and media consumption. If you can get your hands on a 16 GB RAM one, it should be able to handle just about anything other than gaming.
I’m farting around on a T480 for school and light retro gaming. Works great! Super easy to upgrade too
Another vote for the T480. I have a T480s running Mint and it’s been lovely. No driver issues and for office/light media creation/consumption it seems to work without a hitch.
Refurbished ThinkPad. The answer is always a refurbished ThinkPad
I’ve been thinking about this for a while, what’s a good place to buy them, ebay? I’d be using it mainly for web browsing and playing sames through moonlight
If I had to replace my Linux laptop right now, I’d probably go for a ThinkPad T14 AMD. They also sell them with Snapdragon ARM chips now, which is a very interesting option, though I’m not sure how viable as a daily driver.
You could run Linux on it with no issue ofc, but I wonder how good the support for ARM arch from common Linux software is nowadays…
Get an Apple, thinkpad or dell.
The main thing that determines if a computer can be repaired is parts availability. Those three have great parts availability almost universally.
If you wanna run macOS you need a Mac. The t480 is a good recommendation for thinkpads, but don’t worry about ssds or ram yet, just get the one with the processor and display you want (it’s the midrange 8th gen ones). I don’t know the dell world enough to make a recommendation but someone will do so.
Use the gentoo and arch wikis to check what problems people have out of the box with whatever model you’re looking at.
People will say you need amd. This is either paranoid or based on recent events. Neither apply to you.
People will say to get a framework or some equivalent. They’re expensive and a moral/ethical statement. This doesn’t apply to you.
That depends on where you live.
In europe I recommend Novacustom or 3mdeb if you want coreboot, Starlabs too.
In the US System76.
No Tuxedo?
Tuxedo has coreboot in some of their laptops afaik.
Their chassis’ are waay better than the clevo garbage I currently have, but
coreboot >> design
If there’s a decent (even online) used market where you live buying a refurbished computer that’s just a few years old can be amazing bang for your buck. 9th-11th gen Intel or Ryzen 2-4th gen. Any of the more business focused lines tend to be fairly well-built and are designed to be relatively long lasting while being relatively well-maintained during their service life. HP Elitebooks, Dell Latitudes, Lenovo Thinkpads, etc.
I can reccomend huawei laptops with metal chassis. I’ve had my matebook x pro for around 6 years. My past laptops made of plastic disentegrted over time
Clearly you never have a Thinkpad.
Once I a very sleepy adult human happened to accidentally stand smack in the middle of my ThinkPad P50, with plastic everything. It’s 7 years old now, and still works fine.
Chinese so not a great option
So there are safe countries and non safe countries now? Whats the difference?
